Opioids Morphine Mega Thread & FAQ'S

[TheLostBoys]

^ No problem.

Glad that I was able to be of assistance.
I've recently returned to the forum & am getting back into the answering questions & helping others mode.
Just happy to see that I can be of use.

Also it's good to see you don't use syringes.
Keep it that way, it's a road you don't wanna go down.
Sorry I just have to throw that in there, as I feel obligated to warn against that route.
Even though I use it myself, it's a love/hate relationship that dominates one's life.
So there's some HR for this post, so it's something more than me saying glad to help ya.

Yeah man, ive always hated the site of the needle, let alone having to actually stick myself with it. I hope never to go threw that route.

 

[DoseYouAll]

I don't get the "heat ruins morphine" idea because when raw opium is processed into morphine they boil the shit out of the opium with lime and something else, filter it and dry to get morphine. it's already been boiled vigorously so how can cooking a pill ruin the morphine?

 

[brighton]

The pins & needles is basically a massive histamine reaction.
In my case it feels literally like someone poking every inch of your body with a needle repeatedly.
Often times this is accompanied by massive itching & burning to the point of being painful.
Though this may be because of the doses involved.
Another point that lends credence to the histamine idea is that oftentimes one turns red after a shot.
This redness oftentimes moves from the injection site up the head & then down to the feet.
The redness is accompanied by the pins & needles in the affected areas.
Another point of note is that the pins & needles is dose dependent.
If your using a regular insulin syringe (1cc) your dosage is limited & as such it might not be overwhelming.
Now if your using say a 3cc barrel & as such can dose higher then your much more likely to experience the pins.
As as far as I recall morphine's solubility is approx 65mg per ML.
I don't have the time to double check that figure at the moment but it's close enough.
Once you move onto the larger barrel size & the increased dosages that are available as a result,
chances are you'll really get the pins & needles.

Personally I'm not to keen on the full pins & needles effect.
As such I take hydroxyzine or a similar anti-histamine prior to my shot.
If I time it right I can reduce the histamine reaction (pins & needles) to a pleasant sensation.
As opposed to being intense to the point of being painful that I would experience otherwise.
Or if I take the anti-histamine to early it sometimes completely eliminates the pins & needles entirely.
If I want a wake up call then I might skip the anti-histamine as the pins & needles definitely gets my attention.
Otherwise I'll take my anti-histamine & go.

Considering that the anti-histamines reduce/remove the pins & needles I would assume it's mostly a histamine reaction.

Hope that helps answer your question.

Note: Obviously this all applies to IV usage, your not going to be getting a rush &/or pins / needles with other ROA's.

I once had the "pins and needles" thing from plugging 120mg. Felt it in my head for like a minute just as the morphine was coming on

 

[DOCopiates]

IV MS contins nothing works....

i have 30 mg mallinkrodt morphins and other forums have all these ideas to iv them but wtf they dont work at ALL. salts supposed to keep from gelling... uhh still gelled like a bitch. heat will seperate the wax and just "push the wax aside" ha ya ok its even worse now just a huge spoon of gel. keep adding more water... ok well now i have like 4 shots to do of water... but all the morphine is stuck in the GEL. i dont get how people are claimin to get around the gel? they must be repeating what they heard cus iv tried it all and all those ideas dont work. i also tried crisping too. didnt change the amound of gel at all. why say these theories work when theyre pointless.

has anyone actually been successfull at IVing ms contins that knows what actually works?? thanks

 

[sekio]

They're not meant for IV usage. People are probably injecting the gel anyway, which is very unsafe.
You need to get some micron filters if you want to safely use pills via Iv route.

 

[opiatekrzy]

u cant even get the gel into the needle if u put ur life on it. morphine is very addictive of course pharmocoogical companies/FDA, whatever are gonna make it abuse proof...

 

[opivet]

All these years never IV'd, amazing

It amazes me that all the years I was trying / doing every imaginal drug out there that I never IV'd. Had the opportunity several times, "China White " I think it was called. I fear with my addictive personality I would like it too much and having it wind up being a problem. BUT if just once and only once I'd like to try some really good H, or I've heard Dilaudids are supposed to be good too. I get 120 of those a month for breakthrough along with 120 MS Contin 100's which seem to be a regular hot topic within these posts. So I guess what I'm asking is has someone here had a similar story and went ahead and and just just bit the bullet and tried it to put the allure to bed and walked away and called it good. Thanks Folks -)

 

[OntarioGuy]

the one's that get worse with heat eh?Well the way I do these is:

Crush pill into very fine powder

Put it in a spoon WITHOUT water

Heat the spoon from underneath and stir the powder

Make sure the powder doesn't burn but get's brown and crumbly

if you have an ice cube,touch it to the bottom of the spoon to let it cool down,it's very important you let the spoon cool to room temperature(or cooler)

when it's cool have add a little more then 1cc of cold water,ice water is what I use. Stir it up,and throw in a cotton and suck it up before it gels.Then after that shot you can add another cc of cold water to the left over gunk,mash it around with the plunger and filter.you have to do the wash quick to to avoid major gelling.

After the first ,ix it will gel a little bit if your not really quick,but no where near as bad as adding heat or not crisping.
Also,don't be alarmed,but because you crisped the pill,the shot will be amber.This is the method I use for Purdue MS Contin which gel in the way you ddescribe,and are actually the only brand that give me any real trouble when prepping for IV use.

But anyways,moral of the story is,like I said,these sou nd like they gel exactly like the purdue brand,and I shoot those all the time.I use the 100 mg tablets though,

 

[DOCopiates]

thanks ontario guy ur the only one so far who didnt post a useless post.... im not curios why they put in the gel and i knowww its not good for you but thats not what i was asking....

anyways ya i pretty much tried what u said already i just didnt do the part where u use the ice cube to cool down the spoon. does that really make a big difference? and also when i add more water, cuz theres too much gel, and start stirrin it then it just causes more gel haha. but ur sayin be quick to suck it up. i just figured ud have to give it a decent amount of time for the morphine to dissolve in the water...

 

[ratgirldjh]

my rattie girl only ever had the 60's (the orange ones) but she would take off the orange shell and crush them very fine and put the powder in a little container and put cold water and stir and it would gel but she would put a wad of cotton INTO the gel and filter up the liquid from the gel and then do this several times not adding much water each time. Each pill made about 4 doses this way for her and her bf.

back then she didn't know it was bad to do this. if she had them now she would plug the gel :D

 

[opivet]

It amazes me that all the years I was trying / doing every imaginal drug out there that I never IV'd. Had the opportunity several times, "China White " I think it was called. I fear with my addictive personality I would like it too much and having it wind up being a problem. BUT if just once and only once I'd like to try some really good H, or I've heard Dilaudids are supposed to be good too. I get 120 of those a month for breakthrough along with 120 MS Contin 100's which seem to be a regular hot topic within these posts. So I guess what I'm asking is has someone here had a similar story and went ahead and and just just bit the bullet and tried it to put the allure to bed and walked away and called it good. Thanks Folks

 

[BluffBoy]

Yes I have been successful many timeswith these. Very easy process and no need to burn the pill.

Take coating off pill and crush pill into very fine powder and set it to the side.

Put a cap full of water into spoon and heat it to a strong boil(no pill only water)

Once boiling put lighter down and pour pill powder into hot water

Add 5 more seconds of heat

Set spoon down and throw a little larger than normal cotton into mix and draw back while it's still hot... This method works so well you will have zero gel left behind in spoon. Key is doing everything while still hot. Let me know how it works man

Ps... Everyone knows shooting pills is not good for you.. Just tryin to help the op out thanks

 

[BrokedownPalace]

Doing a shot while still hot is INCREDIBLY dangerous and stupid. Just because things dissolve when heated, doesn't mean they stay dissolved when cooled down. Once the solution cools down, (in the syringe, in your body, etc) the dissolved solids will precipitate back out of the solution and now be floating around your circulatory system, and after long term use can cause major damage.

Opiates are completely soluble in COLD water. Adding a little heat does NOT kill bacteria, or aid your shot in any way. It is purely dangerous and uneducated; I don't care how well it "works" for abuse proof morphine pills. In the name of harm reduction, shooting pills without a micron filter is not safe at all.

 

[dhopeless]

Doing a shot while still hot is INCREDIBLY dangerous and stupid. Just because things dissolve when heated, doesn't mean they stay dissolved when cooled down. Once the solution cools down, (in the syringe, in your body, etc) the dissolved solids will precipitate back out of the solution and now be floating around your circulatory system, and after long term use can cause major damage.

Opiates are completely soluble in COLD water. Adding a little heat does NOT kill bacteria, or aid your shot in any way. It is purely dangerous and uneducated; I don't care how well it "works" for abuse proof morphine pills. In the name of harm reduction, shooting pills without a micron filter is not safe at all.

I agree, at first when I read that I thought he was saying it worked so well that ALL of the gell was left behind. Then I read your reply and I was shocked when I re-read what he wrote. How hard is it to picture what would happen to this oh so crude solution once injected? The analogy I think of is like trying to shoot a candle, so you melt the wax, somehow get it into a large gauge needle and shoot it...you'd better hope you blood is hot enough to keep that wax/gell (almost the same thing! Look at what addiction does to people! Would anyone EVER try to shoot a CANDLE?) hot long enough for your body to figure out what to do with all that shit...and even if you live, and don't loose a limb or develop a pulmonary embolism, if you keep using ms-contin in this manner, I can't see you NOT developing horrible health problems within a short time span. I know you didn't ask for lecture, but sometimes I wonder...Where do we draw the line with Harm Reduction? Assisting someone in doing something dangerous to help them do it less dangerously is one thing, but teaching someone how to do something that is potentially and probably lethal is quite another.

If we really want to help this guy do this safely, we will tell him he needs a micron filter (although I wonder if you can even get that shit through one, never tried). If he says he can't get one because he doesn't have access to them, or whatever, then we've done our part. This is where I wonder if the line is drawn, because what this community has suggested is harmful. It's better for him to give up shooting them and be forced to find another ROA then to begin an intervenous wax regime. The only piece of possibly helpful information I can add is after you turn that pill into a syringe full of gel, take another syrindge, rip the needle off, shove some wet cotton down the back of the syringe to make a crude filter. This is the 'backloading method' and I use it to iv subutex when I need new microns. Push the gel through the cotton filter several times, and God willing you may remove some of the gunk. Good luck buddy.

 

[crestfallen]

If you care about your life/limbs at all, don't fuck around with IV'ing MS Contins. They will gel up all the time. If you heat the solution, it will turn into liquid but it will harden once you shoot it and there is a good chance you'll lose that limb. Fuck MS Contins dude, they are worthless. I ate 160mgs before and barely felt anything

 

[ONandOFF777]

The key here is to follow the instructions above using boiling water in spoon, add powdered pill, heat a little more and then suck through cotton, BUT then you NEED to let the solution cool properly and completely and THEN micron filter.

No one should ever be shooting hot solutions, let alone shooting hot because it will gel once cooled!!! This is just plain crazy!!! If there is nothing left in the spoon where the fuck do you think the gel went???

Really this should never be done with MS Contin, but people are going to do it, and I have to admit that I have done it with the Ethics brand (they work a lot better then abg or mallie), but as long as people are going to continue to try to do this the best we can do here is try to reduce the harm by telling people not to inject hot wax and to at least let it cool and micron filter or at least re-filter to remove gel/wax.

WOW!!! Nothing left in the spoon!!! WTF!!!!

 

[scottd420]

^^^ This is exactly what I used to do. The small amount of gel that does form in the second cooker after you let it cool will have little to no morphine in it, since it's almost all in solution now--after this step, REFILTER through your weapon of choice (micron), at the very least cotton, though not recommended. NOW use. Now you will have two cookers, the first one filled with gel, and the second with a little bit of gel. ENJOY!!!

 

[Secobarbital]

Peel the pills, and toss them in about 3cc's of water in a shot glass whole. When you crush them, it allows them to make more gel than if you just let them stay whole and soak out into the water. It's not 100% efficient, but it comes out cleaner and less dangerous.

 

[toastedpanda]

I used to iv morphine quite a bit and found all those methods a waste of time. You need to use a lot of water and a syringe to hold it. A 3 or 5 cc syringe.

1.remove coating with water (not spit) on paper towel
2.chop and crush as much as possable
3. Throw in spoon and soak with several ccs of cold water
4. Filter with cotton, use 2 or 3 if they "clog" and draw up with a 3 or 5cc syringe
5. Inject

I always used this method with success and found that you need a lot of water to prevent the solution from getting too jelled and a syringe big enough to deliver in one go. There still will be a lot of leftover morphine and this is still very dangerous to do for the record

 

[muvolution]

If the solution is gelling up, you *should not* be putting it into your body, period. If you must, try running it through a cotton, then a micron filter, and there is a small chance you will come out with a semi-pure, clean solution. The ingredients that make it gel stay in there when you just dilute it more, it's not like they go away, and that shit gets into your veins and when the blood passes through your lungs it gets dropped off there, and eventually your lungs are encrusted with particles of magnesium stereate and pregelatinized starch, and talc, and corn starch, and that's how pulmonary edema happens leading to eventual death.