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^ ooh interesting, pukatea hey? rm2x was telling me about that a couple of years ago. Would be nice to know whether that had much to do with the blend being active or whether the "no JWH" disclaimer was in fact accurate?
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Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread
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poledriver
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[NZ] All synthetic cannabis to be banned
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Synthetic cannabis products including Kronic will be banned under legislation to be put before Parliament tomorrow.
The action will see a ban on all 43 synthetic products in place by Friday, with the products off the shelves just over a week later.
Cabinet today approved amendments to the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill that will take synthetic cannabis off the market for 12 months while the Government works on its detailed response to the Law Commission's recent report.
Prime Minister John Key said at his post-Cabinet press conference that the risks of Kronic and other similar products were not known, but the possible long term effects could not be ignored.
"We are not going to stand by while these substances are being constantly made and put up for sale."
He said the long term aim was to introduce legislation which required makers to prove the drug was safe before it could be sold.
He said other substances such as party pills would be considered as part of longer term changes, but the immediate concern was about the 43 drugs in question.
Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne will introduce a Supplementary Order Paper to the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill that will allow a temporary order to be put on substances like Kronic.
Such an order will take the products off the market for 12 months while their safety is tested.
Mr Dunne said the temporary class drug notices will be an interim measure which will mean the substances, although not Class C1 controlled drugs, will carry the same penalties as Class C1 drugs.
He said the process around dealing with these substances has been complex and it was important that the Government get it right.
"Critics have pointed to faster responses overseas, but some of those laws are coming unstuck already, with new products coming on to the market that are not covered.
"We have addressed that here. If new products turn up and we are concerned about them, we will be able to put temporary class drugs notices on them straight away.
- NZ Herald staff
The action will see a ban on all 43 synthetic products in place by Friday, with the products off the shelves just over a week later.
Cabinet today approved amendments to the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill that will take synthetic cannabis off the market for 12 months while the Government works on its detailed response to the Law Commission's recent report.
Prime Minister John Key said at his post-Cabinet press conference that the risks of Kronic and other similar products were not known, but the possible long term effects could not be ignored.
"We are not going to stand by while these substances are being constantly made and put up for sale."
He said the long term aim was to introduce legislation which required makers to prove the drug was safe before it could be sold.
He said other substances such as party pills would be considered as part of longer term changes, but the immediate concern was about the 43 drugs in question.
Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne will introduce a Supplementary Order Paper to the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill that will allow a temporary order to be put on substances like Kronic.
Such an order will take the products off the market for 12 months while their safety is tested.
Mr Dunne said the temporary class drug notices will be an interim measure which will mean the substances, although not Class C1 controlled drugs, will carry the same penalties as Class C1 drugs.
He said the process around dealing with these substances has been complex and it was important that the Government get it right.
"Critics have pointed to faster responses overseas, but some of those laws are coming unstuck already, with new products coming on to the market that are not covered.
"We have addressed that here. If new products turn up and we are concerned about them, we will be able to put temporary class drugs notices on them straight away.
- NZ Herald staff
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Synthetic drug laws a step ahead
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Tasmania's drug laws have been broadened to ban new illicit drugs before they have been created.
Tasmania Police claim they can now stay a step ahead of drug variations entering the market.
These include altered chemical compounds of existing illicit drugs and the synthetic cannabis 'Kronic'.
Kronic can be 100 times stronger than marijuana.
The changes to the Misuse of Drugs Act regulations take effect from tomorrow.
Detective Inspector Ian Lindsay says they cover possession, use and trafficking of drug variations, called 'analogues'.
"So if you take a motor vehicle and add mag wheels, it is essentially the same vehicle but looks different," he said.
"In the case of analogue drugs, the structure has been slightly altered to differentiate it from another drug."
Kronic is already illegal in Western Australia, and several other states are looking at banning the drug.
Tasmania Police claim they can now stay a step ahead of drug variations entering the market.
These include altered chemical compounds of existing illicit drugs and the synthetic cannabis 'Kronic'.
Kronic can be 100 times stronger than marijuana.
The changes to the Misuse of Drugs Act regulations take effect from tomorrow.
Detective Inspector Ian Lindsay says they cover possession, use and trafficking of drug variations, called 'analogues'.
"So if you take a motor vehicle and add mag wheels, it is essentially the same vehicle but looks different," he said.
"In the case of analogue drugs, the structure has been slightly altered to differentiate it from another drug."
Kronic is already illegal in Western Australia, and several other states are looking at banning the drug.
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Not only Kronic but also Northern Light Incense is back
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Been smoking AM-2201 for a few months now and its by far my fav so far and its legal.
Fuck that chronic dude ripped me off and many other before he closed down. What a dog didn't even send me anything hope i meet him one day cause i going to give him a good beat down. He was meant to send me his new legal smoking blend but instead sent nothing.
Whats this black label like? i bet its AM-2201 i wanted to say about this months ago but didn't want to give the dogs in blue a tip off.
Wish they would make a smoking blend that tasted nice.
Fuck that chronic dude ripped me off and many other before he closed down. What a dog didn't even send me anything hope i meet him one day cause i going to give him a good beat down. He was meant to send me his new legal smoking blend but instead sent nothing.
Whats this black label like? i bet its AM-2201 i wanted to say about this months ago but didn't want to give the dogs in blue a tip off.
Wish they would make a smoking blend that tasted nice.
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[NZ] Kronic users switch to cannabis
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Users of the Kronic range say they will switch to smoking cannabis if the synthetic high products are banned.
And with synthetic cannabinoids expected to be off the shelf by the end of the week, users are stocking up while they can.
The Government yesterday announced legislation which will see all 43 current synthetic cannabis products on the market classed as "temporary controlled drugs" and withdrawn from sale for 12 months.
The legislation is being debated today and is expected to be passed as it has widespread political support.
Prime Minister John Key plans to introduce future legislation which will require makers to prove the drug was safe before it could be sold.
On the Kronic Facebook page, which has more than 8,500 followers, some users said the law change would mean they would return to using cannabis.
"So what now?" Johnny asked. "Start smoking illegal stuff again? This helped me quit weed."
Graeme said he had enjoyed "a few months of not haveing (sic) to watch for the law" when he smoked Kronic, and now the law change will push users towards Class B drugs and alcohol, and will make criminals out of many users.
Others are worried about the risks of buying cannabis from tinny houses and gangs who may be cutting the drug with other substances.
Michael was concerned about the health risks of smoking synthetic cannabis, but was "sure it's better than the fly sprayed smoke that the dealers up the road sell. And [you have got to] hope you don't get bashed for going there as well".
Many users pointed out that alcohol and cigarettes have been proven to harm users yet remain legal.
"This just makes me angry for the simple fact is there is a lot harder stuff [people] could be using that are more dangerous and the fact alcohol is not against the law and it causes more death, violence and abuse than anything else," Mandy said.
Allun said it was hypocritical of Prime Minister John Key to say it was unacceptable synthetic cannabis is freely available to young people, while alcohol, cigarettes and even fast food pose health risks.
"Good job putting the illegal dealers back on the vendor list for everyone that now cannot get a legal substitute," he said.
As it will remain legal to possess and use the products, users are planning to stockpile on the products.
Kronic's online store has began discounting the price of their range in order to get rid of the stock before the ban comes into effect.
Users have created two Facebook pages, Keep Kronic in our Shops!! and Keep Kronic/synthetic Marijuana products legal!, both with around 70 members, and plans are forming for protests against the ban in Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch and other centres this Friday.
And with synthetic cannabinoids expected to be off the shelf by the end of the week, users are stocking up while they can.
The Government yesterday announced legislation which will see all 43 current synthetic cannabis products on the market classed as "temporary controlled drugs" and withdrawn from sale for 12 months.
The legislation is being debated today and is expected to be passed as it has widespread political support.
Prime Minister John Key plans to introduce future legislation which will require makers to prove the drug was safe before it could be sold.
On the Kronic Facebook page, which has more than 8,500 followers, some users said the law change would mean they would return to using cannabis.
"So what now?" Johnny asked. "Start smoking illegal stuff again? This helped me quit weed."
Graeme said he had enjoyed "a few months of not haveing (sic) to watch for the law" when he smoked Kronic, and now the law change will push users towards Class B drugs and alcohol, and will make criminals out of many users.
Others are worried about the risks of buying cannabis from tinny houses and gangs who may be cutting the drug with other substances.
Michael was concerned about the health risks of smoking synthetic cannabis, but was "sure it's better than the fly sprayed smoke that the dealers up the road sell. And [you have got to] hope you don't get bashed for going there as well".
Many users pointed out that alcohol and cigarettes have been proven to harm users yet remain legal.
"This just makes me angry for the simple fact is there is a lot harder stuff [people] could be using that are more dangerous and the fact alcohol is not against the law and it causes more death, violence and abuse than anything else," Mandy said.
Allun said it was hypocritical of Prime Minister John Key to say it was unacceptable synthetic cannabis is freely available to young people, while alcohol, cigarettes and even fast food pose health risks.
"Good job putting the illegal dealers back on the vendor list for everyone that now cannot get a legal substitute," he said.
As it will remain legal to possess and use the products, users are planning to stockpile on the products.
Kronic's online store has began discounting the price of their range in order to get rid of the stock before the ban comes into effect.
Users have created two Facebook pages, Keep Kronic in our Shops!! and Keep Kronic/synthetic Marijuana products legal!, both with around 70 members, and plans are forming for protests against the ban in Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch and other centres this Friday.
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[NZ] Claim fake cannabis ban won't work
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Those working in the 'legal highs' industry believe banning certain products will only lead to the creation of new ones.
Urgent legislation going before Parliament today will allow all 43 current synthetic cannabis products to be classed as "temporary controlled drugs" and withdrawn from sale.
Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne will have the power to place products in the category, which would ban them for 12 months.
During that time, a product would be assessed by a committee - appointed by Mr Dunne - which would judge whether it was safe to be sold.
Yesterday the Prime Minister John Key suggested that the government could go further.
He said the long term aim was to introduce legislation which required makers to prove the drug was safe before it could be sold.
He said other substances such as party pills would be considered as part of longer term changes, but the immediate concern was about the 43 drugs which will be targeted in today's legislation.
However those working in the industry say the move is dangerous, and will have the effect of sending users to the black market where there are no controls.
Hempstore manager Chris Fowlie told Newstalk ZB he believed the ban encourages the creation of new products, but only one at a time.
"When that one is banned they'll introduce the next one," he said.
"Rather than, for example, having several varieties of synthetic cannabis, you might just have one that's out there and sell as much of that as you can until it's banned and then put out the next one."
Mr Fowlie says the industry's frustrated as they've already spent lots of money on labelling and marketing, believing they were heading towards R18 regulation, rather than prohibition.
Meanwhile an Auckland business advocate is praising local business for its part in having synthetic cannabis banned.
The ban comes a week after the Auckland Chamber of Commerce wrote an open letter to all MPs.
Chief executive Michael Barnett told Newstalk ZB in just 48 hours, he gathered a thousand responses - not one in favour of the products.
"Employers in the Auckland region should be pleased that in some way they've contributed to getting these products off the shelf," he told Newstalk ZB.
"They can't come off quick enough, we need to stop using our children, the public as guinea pigs."
The Herald understands people will not face charges if found with a small amount of a banned synthetic cannabis - which the industry says will lead to stock-piling.
Massey University senior researcher Chris Wilkins said the banning of BZP-based party pills showed what the effect of banning synthetic cannabis would be.
Forty-nine per cent of men aged 20 to 24 had used BZP-based pills in 2006 but since their ban, use of legal substitutes had been minimal.
- with Newstalk ZB and NZ Herald staff
By Nicholas Jones | Email Nicholas
Urgent legislation going before Parliament today will allow all 43 current synthetic cannabis products to be classed as "temporary controlled drugs" and withdrawn from sale.
Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne will have the power to place products in the category, which would ban them for 12 months.
During that time, a product would be assessed by a committee - appointed by Mr Dunne - which would judge whether it was safe to be sold.
Yesterday the Prime Minister John Key suggested that the government could go further.
He said the long term aim was to introduce legislation which required makers to prove the drug was safe before it could be sold.
He said other substances such as party pills would be considered as part of longer term changes, but the immediate concern was about the 43 drugs which will be targeted in today's legislation.
However those working in the industry say the move is dangerous, and will have the effect of sending users to the black market where there are no controls.
Hempstore manager Chris Fowlie told Newstalk ZB he believed the ban encourages the creation of new products, but only one at a time.
"When that one is banned they'll introduce the next one," he said.
"Rather than, for example, having several varieties of synthetic cannabis, you might just have one that's out there and sell as much of that as you can until it's banned and then put out the next one."
Mr Fowlie says the industry's frustrated as they've already spent lots of money on labelling and marketing, believing they were heading towards R18 regulation, rather than prohibition.
Meanwhile an Auckland business advocate is praising local business for its part in having synthetic cannabis banned.
The ban comes a week after the Auckland Chamber of Commerce wrote an open letter to all MPs.
Chief executive Michael Barnett told Newstalk ZB in just 48 hours, he gathered a thousand responses - not one in favour of the products.
"Employers in the Auckland region should be pleased that in some way they've contributed to getting these products off the shelf," he told Newstalk ZB.
"They can't come off quick enough, we need to stop using our children, the public as guinea pigs."
The Herald understands people will not face charges if found with a small amount of a banned synthetic cannabis - which the industry says will lead to stock-piling.
Massey University senior researcher Chris Wilkins said the banning of BZP-based party pills showed what the effect of banning synthetic cannabis would be.
Forty-nine per cent of men aged 20 to 24 had used BZP-based pills in 2006 but since their ban, use of legal substitutes had been minimal.
- with Newstalk ZB and NZ Herald staff
By Nicholas Jones | Email Nicholas
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[NZ] Dunne's law puts block on synthetic cannabis
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Kronic and other synthetic cannabis will be pulled from New Zealand shelves within weeks - but manufacturers claim the move to ban their products is short-sighted and will be futile.
Urgent legislation going before Parliament today will allow all 43 current synthetic cannabis products to be classed as "temporary controlled drugs" and withdrawn from sale.
Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne will have the power to place products in the category, which would ban them for 12 months.
During that time, a product would be assessed by a committee - appointed by Mr Dunne - which would judge whether it was safe to be sold.
Articles in the Herald have highlighted an increase in the number of people seeking medical treatment after using synthetic cannabis, and the aggressive marketing of the drugs to young people.
Mr Dunne told the Herald medical professionals' reports on the harm synthetic cannabis caused made him doubt the drugs would be sold in New Zealand again.
But Zaid Musa, of manufacturer Enjoi Products, said that although products could be quickly banned, they could still probably be on the market for at least a month before being detected and pulled.
"This is not the end of the legal high industry in New Zealand. There's always ways around it; there are always loopholes."
That was supported by the co-owner of the Hemp Store in central Auckland, Chris Fowlie, who said it would take some time before authorities noticed new products.
Matt Bowden, who imports the chemicals used to make Kronic, would not comment directly on what the industry might do in response to the ban.
"But you are aware as I am of ... the futility of banning drugs."
Mr Dunne said he thought the ban would be "pretty belts and braces".
"The timeframes are so tight. In each case it's seven days. So if products are reformulated, I'll just do the same thing over and over again."
Synthetic cannabis has been made and sold in New Zealand for about 10 years, but use and sale of the R18 products were low-key until recently.
Very little is known about the short-term or long-term effects of smoking the chemicals used in synthetic cannabis.
In July, screening by Environmental Science and Research (ESR) revealed that two products illegally contained a prescription sedative.
Mr Dunne was criticised after he opted against banning the products following a report by the Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs in March.
But yesterday, he said he believed he had now found a way to remove the drugs from sale.
"While I can understand the public clamour for action and to just get on and ban it, it's not quite that simple, I had to get it right."
Mr Bowden predicted the move would push about 500,000 users of synthetic cannabis to buy genuine cannabis on the black market.
The Herald understands people will not face charges if found with a small amount of a banned synthetic cannabis - which the industry says will lead to stock-piling.
Massey University senior researcher Chris Wilkins said the banning of BZP-based party pills showed what the effect of banning synthetic cannabis would be.
Forty-nine per cent of men aged 20 to 24 had used BZP-based pills in 2006 but since their ban, use of legal substitutes had been minimal.
Mr Dunne said the bans were a stop-gap measure until the Government considered a Law Commission recommendation to require the industry to prove its products were safe.
But the Law Commission recommendations were "high level" and it could be a challenge to determine the "safety" threshold for products such as Kronic.
By Nicholas Jones | Email Nicholas
Urgent legislation going before Parliament today will allow all 43 current synthetic cannabis products to be classed as "temporary controlled drugs" and withdrawn from sale.
Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne will have the power to place products in the category, which would ban them for 12 months.
During that time, a product would be assessed by a committee - appointed by Mr Dunne - which would judge whether it was safe to be sold.
Articles in the Herald have highlighted an increase in the number of people seeking medical treatment after using synthetic cannabis, and the aggressive marketing of the drugs to young people.
Mr Dunne told the Herald medical professionals' reports on the harm synthetic cannabis caused made him doubt the drugs would be sold in New Zealand again.
But Zaid Musa, of manufacturer Enjoi Products, said that although products could be quickly banned, they could still probably be on the market for at least a month before being detected and pulled.
"This is not the end of the legal high industry in New Zealand. There's always ways around it; there are always loopholes."
That was supported by the co-owner of the Hemp Store in central Auckland, Chris Fowlie, who said it would take some time before authorities noticed new products.
Matt Bowden, who imports the chemicals used to make Kronic, would not comment directly on what the industry might do in response to the ban.
"But you are aware as I am of ... the futility of banning drugs."
Mr Dunne said he thought the ban would be "pretty belts and braces".
"The timeframes are so tight. In each case it's seven days. So if products are reformulated, I'll just do the same thing over and over again."
Synthetic cannabis has been made and sold in New Zealand for about 10 years, but use and sale of the R18 products were low-key until recently.
Very little is known about the short-term or long-term effects of smoking the chemicals used in synthetic cannabis.
In July, screening by Environmental Science and Research (ESR) revealed that two products illegally contained a prescription sedative.
Mr Dunne was criticised after he opted against banning the products following a report by the Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs in March.
But yesterday, he said he believed he had now found a way to remove the drugs from sale.
"While I can understand the public clamour for action and to just get on and ban it, it's not quite that simple, I had to get it right."
Mr Bowden predicted the move would push about 500,000 users of synthetic cannabis to buy genuine cannabis on the black market.
The Herald understands people will not face charges if found with a small amount of a banned synthetic cannabis - which the industry says will lead to stock-piling.
Massey University senior researcher Chris Wilkins said the banning of BZP-based party pills showed what the effect of banning synthetic cannabis would be.
Forty-nine per cent of men aged 20 to 24 had used BZP-based pills in 2006 but since their ban, use of legal substitutes had been minimal.
Mr Dunne said the bans were a stop-gap measure until the Government considered a Law Commission recommendation to require the industry to prove its products were safe.
But the Law Commission recommendations were "high level" and it could be a challenge to determine the "safety" threshold for products such as Kronic.
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[NZ] Ban leaves drug sellers with stock worth millions
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Staff have been laid off by the company behind Kronic, and other manufacturers will be left with millions of dollars worth of stock when the drugs are banned from sale on Friday next week.
The Herald understands around 30 staff at Lightyears Ahead, the North Shore company behind Kronic, have been laid off since the ban was announced on Monday.
Lightyears Ahead director Matthew Wielenga would not confirm any lay-offs, but said the ban was a reversal after the Government had consistently indicated it would regulate the industry.
"Obviously it's election year and votes are more important than public safety ... the actions are more in line with an American-style war on drugs approach, which is a failed approach."
Matt Bowden, who imports the chemicals used in Kronic, would not comment on any lay-offs at Lightyears Ahead, but said such news would not surprise him.
"There are perhaps 800 to 900 businesses impacted by [the ban],and the number of consumers whoare being criminalised is by nomeans a marginal number."
Others in the industry have expressed similar anger at the surprise nature of the ban.
Chris Fowlie, the co-owner of the Hemp Store in central Auckland, said he would be left with $80,000 worth of stock to offload in two weeks.
Demand had already picked up since the ban was announced on Monday, and he had discounted the price of products, but he said he would still be left with a "mountain" of stock.
"We're going to have a big party and just smoke all of it. Because handing it in to police - that would just be a kick in the teeth."
Zaid Musa of Enjoi Products, one of the largest synthetic cannabis manufacturers in New Zealand, said he would be left with millions of dollars worth of stock.
Mr Musa said that when BZP-based party pills were banned, the industry was given six weeks before products could no longer be sold.
He has written to Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne and Labour leader Phil Goff requesting a changeover period of four weeks.
Mr Musa has instructed stockists to discount products, and said prices on orders made through his website had been reduced by up to 75 per cent.
He expected to have around 700kg of product left over, which would be shipped to overseas markets.
Legislation introduced in Parliament this week will allow Mr Dunne to class products as "temporary controlled drugs" and withdraw them from sale for 12 months.
During that time, a product will be assessed by a committee - appointed by Mr Dunne - which would judge whether it was safe to be sold.
Mr Dunne has said the bans are a stop-gap measure while the Government considers a Law Commission recommendation to require the industry to prove its products are safe.
Both Mr Musa and Mr Fowlie said that although products could be quickly banned, they could still be on the market for a significant amount of time before being detected and pulled.
"If the manufacturer labels it as plant food and fish feed, and only sells it in herbal high-type stores, you're not going to get any straight people going in there and complaining about it.
"Next Saturday there will just be new products out there. I don't think we'll have single day without them being on sale."
CLAMPDOWN
* Synthetic cannabis products will be banned from sale next Friday.
* They will be classed "temporary controlled drugs".
* All products will be assessed to decide whether they are safe for sale.
* Manufacturers are expected to be left with millions of dollars worth of stock.
By Nicholas Jones | Email Nicholas
The Herald understands around 30 staff at Lightyears Ahead, the North Shore company behind Kronic, have been laid off since the ban was announced on Monday.
Lightyears Ahead director Matthew Wielenga would not confirm any lay-offs, but said the ban was a reversal after the Government had consistently indicated it would regulate the industry.
"Obviously it's election year and votes are more important than public safety ... the actions are more in line with an American-style war on drugs approach, which is a failed approach."
Matt Bowden, who imports the chemicals used in Kronic, would not comment on any lay-offs at Lightyears Ahead, but said such news would not surprise him.
"There are perhaps 800 to 900 businesses impacted by [the ban],and the number of consumers whoare being criminalised is by nomeans a marginal number."
Others in the industry have expressed similar anger at the surprise nature of the ban.
Chris Fowlie, the co-owner of the Hemp Store in central Auckland, said he would be left with $80,000 worth of stock to offload in two weeks.
Demand had already picked up since the ban was announced on Monday, and he had discounted the price of products, but he said he would still be left with a "mountain" of stock.
"We're going to have a big party and just smoke all of it. Because handing it in to police - that would just be a kick in the teeth."
Zaid Musa of Enjoi Products, one of the largest synthetic cannabis manufacturers in New Zealand, said he would be left with millions of dollars worth of stock.
Mr Musa said that when BZP-based party pills were banned, the industry was given six weeks before products could no longer be sold.
He has written to Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne and Labour leader Phil Goff requesting a changeover period of four weeks.
Mr Musa has instructed stockists to discount products, and said prices on orders made through his website had been reduced by up to 75 per cent.
He expected to have around 700kg of product left over, which would be shipped to overseas markets.
Legislation introduced in Parliament this week will allow Mr Dunne to class products as "temporary controlled drugs" and withdraw them from sale for 12 months.
During that time, a product will be assessed by a committee - appointed by Mr Dunne - which would judge whether it was safe to be sold.
Mr Dunne has said the bans are a stop-gap measure while the Government considers a Law Commission recommendation to require the industry to prove its products are safe.
Both Mr Musa and Mr Fowlie said that although products could be quickly banned, they could still be on the market for a significant amount of time before being detected and pulled.
"If the manufacturer labels it as plant food and fish feed, and only sells it in herbal high-type stores, you're not going to get any straight people going in there and complaining about it.
"Next Saturday there will just be new products out there. I don't think we'll have single day without them being on sale."
CLAMPDOWN
* Synthetic cannabis products will be banned from sale next Friday.
* They will be classed "temporary controlled drugs".
* All products will be assessed to decide whether they are safe for sale.
* Manufacturers are expected to be left with millions of dollars worth of stock.
By Nicholas Jones | Email Nicholas
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lol. Testing to see if they are safe..
How will this even happen? I'm guessing it won't since no one can prove one way or another that cannabis is safe.
If they tested alcohol the same way would it come out as safe? It damages your body every time you drink it?
sounds like a load of shit to me.
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How will this even happen? I'm guessing it won't since no one can prove one way or another that cannabis is safe.
If they tested alcohol the same way would it come out as safe? It damages your body every time you drink it?
sounds like a load of shit to me.
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[NZ] Kronic ban passed by Parliament
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Shops selling synthetic cannabis products should take them off the shelves right now, Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne said today as Parliament passed legislation banning them.
After a gazette notice is issued early next week, 43 products like Kronic will be banned for 12 months and retailers will have to remove them within seven days.
"My advice to current retailers is simple - return your stocks to your supplier right now, do not wait for the notice to be issued," Mr Dunne said.
"It is ultimately the distributor's responsibility and it is they who should bear the cost, not the retailer."
Mr Dunne has previously said that if manufacturers try to substitute the products with others, they will be banned as well.
He said in Parliament today the ban was an interim measure while the Government worked on a complete overhaul of the Misuse of Drugs Act, and manufacturers would ultimately have to prove the safety of their products before they could be sold.
Mr Dunne inserted the ban into an existing bill, the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill, which was drafted with the main purpose of reclassifying methamphetamine precursors ephedrine and pseudoephedrine as class B2 controlled drugs.
That is now in law as well, and means the cold remedies that use ephedrine and pseudoephedrine will be available on prescription only.
Mr Dunne said clan labs used the precursors to make methamphetamine, known as P, and the market was worth about $1 billion a year.
"It is the only illegal stimulant drug commonly manufactured in New Zealand and we have very high rates of use by international standards," he said.
Labour's associate health spokesman, Iain Lees-Galloway, said his party supported the bill but if Parliament was serious about drugs, the Misuse of Drugs Act would be quickly replaced with a new version.
The legislation came in during the 1970s, and since then the drug scene and treatments needed for drug abuse had changed significantly.
National's rhetoric about the war against methamphetamine was "laughable'' because the bill was introduced in November 2009 and had been hanging around ever since, he said.
He estimated the reclassification of prescursors would affect only about 10 percent of the methamphetamine supply.
National's Paul Hutchison said New Zealand probably had the highest use of methamphetamine in the world and it had "highly detrimental'' health effects.
Speaking about synthetic cannabis products, he said manufacturers were "conniving and merciless'' and would stop at nothing to get their products on the market.
The Green Party opposed the bill, with Kevin Hague saying it was a "ham-fisted response'' to synthetic cannabis products.
"Products like Kronic have been on the shelves for five years, there's no need for this urgency...it is a disproportionate response,'' he said.
The ban inserted into the bill had not been to a select committee for public submissions, which was a violation of the parliamentary process, he said.
The bill passed its third reading by 104 votes to 14 with the Greens, ACT and independent MP Chris Carter opposing it.
After a gazette notice is issued early next week, 43 products like Kronic will be banned for 12 months and retailers will have to remove them within seven days.
"My advice to current retailers is simple - return your stocks to your supplier right now, do not wait for the notice to be issued," Mr Dunne said.
"It is ultimately the distributor's responsibility and it is they who should bear the cost, not the retailer."
Mr Dunne has previously said that if manufacturers try to substitute the products with others, they will be banned as well.
He said in Parliament today the ban was an interim measure while the Government worked on a complete overhaul of the Misuse of Drugs Act, and manufacturers would ultimately have to prove the safety of their products before they could be sold.
Mr Dunne inserted the ban into an existing bill, the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill, which was drafted with the main purpose of reclassifying methamphetamine precursors ephedrine and pseudoephedrine as class B2 controlled drugs.
That is now in law as well, and means the cold remedies that use ephedrine and pseudoephedrine will be available on prescription only.
Mr Dunne said clan labs used the precursors to make methamphetamine, known as P, and the market was worth about $1 billion a year.
"It is the only illegal stimulant drug commonly manufactured in New Zealand and we have very high rates of use by international standards," he said.
Labour's associate health spokesman, Iain Lees-Galloway, said his party supported the bill but if Parliament was serious about drugs, the Misuse of Drugs Act would be quickly replaced with a new version.
The legislation came in during the 1970s, and since then the drug scene and treatments needed for drug abuse had changed significantly.
National's rhetoric about the war against methamphetamine was "laughable'' because the bill was introduced in November 2009 and had been hanging around ever since, he said.
He estimated the reclassification of prescursors would affect only about 10 percent of the methamphetamine supply.
National's Paul Hutchison said New Zealand probably had the highest use of methamphetamine in the world and it had "highly detrimental'' health effects.
Speaking about synthetic cannabis products, he said manufacturers were "conniving and merciless'' and would stop at nothing to get their products on the market.
The Green Party opposed the bill, with Kevin Hague saying it was a "ham-fisted response'' to synthetic cannabis products.
"Products like Kronic have been on the shelves for five years, there's no need for this urgency...it is a disproportionate response,'' he said.
The ban inserted into the bill had not been to a select committee for public submissions, which was a violation of the parliamentary process, he said.
The bill passed its third reading by 104 votes to 14 with the Greens, ACT and independent MP Chris Carter opposing it.
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justsayknow
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Police are trying to determine if the death of a man in Perth is linked to the smoking of the synthetic drug Kronic.
A 38 year-old man in the southern Perth suburb of Hillman suffered a cardiac arrest last night and was taken to Rockingham hospital.
Inspector George McIntosh says officers believe he was smoking so-called 'Kronic Black Label' before the attack.
"The man was unable to be revived and tragically passed away," he said.
"Police will be conducting an investigation in an endeavour to identify the cause of the man's death."
The state government banned several brands of Kronic in June, but in response, the New Zealand manufacturer released Kronic Black Label claiming the ingredients were legal.
The Australian Medical Association has warned that synthetic drugs could cause severe paranoia, anxiety and panic attacks.
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A 38 year-old man in the southern Perth suburb of Hillman suffered a cardiac arrest last night and was taken to Rockingham hospital.
Inspector George McIntosh says officers believe he was smoking so-called 'Kronic Black Label' before the attack.
"The man was unable to be revived and tragically passed away," he said.
"Police will be conducting an investigation in an endeavour to identify the cause of the man's death."
The state government banned several brands of Kronic in June, but in response, the New Zealand manufacturer released Kronic Black Label claiming the ingredients were legal.
The Australian Medical Association has warned that synthetic drugs could cause severe paranoia, anxiety and panic attacks.
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poledriver
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Call for national blanket ban on synthetic drugs
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A drug prevention body wants governments across the country to place a blanket ban on all synthetic drugs.
A 38 year-old man from Western Australia died last night from a suspected heart attack.
Police believe he was smoking the synthetic cannabis product called Kronic Black Label, just before he died.
In response, the state government has announced that it will ban 14 new substances linked to the manufacture of Kronic from midnight tonight.
The WA Mental Health Minister Helen Moreton says two substances found in Kronic Black Label and another 12 synthetic cannabinoids will be banned from midnight.
"So that makes now in total 22 synthetic cannabinoids that are banned in Western Australia, taking into account the eight that are banned nationally, seven of which we banned originally and the further 14 that will be banned from midnight, tonight," she said.
Jo Baxter from Drugs Free Australia says governments need to be more rigorous with their prevention message.
"Governments around Australia should ban, as a blanket ban, any synthetic product that hasn't been approved by the Therapeutic Goods Administration and that includes cannabis and synthetic cannabis, regardless of the brand, because the mix of chemicals can have disastrous affects depending on what's mixed together," she said.
A 38 year-old man from Western Australia died last night from a suspected heart attack.
Police believe he was smoking the synthetic cannabis product called Kronic Black Label, just before he died.
In response, the state government has announced that it will ban 14 new substances linked to the manufacture of Kronic from midnight tonight.
The WA Mental Health Minister Helen Moreton says two substances found in Kronic Black Label and another 12 synthetic cannabinoids will be banned from midnight.
"So that makes now in total 22 synthetic cannabinoids that are banned in Western Australia, taking into account the eight that are banned nationally, seven of which we banned originally and the further 14 that will be banned from midnight, tonight," she said.
Jo Baxter from Drugs Free Australia says governments need to be more rigorous with their prevention message.
"Governments around Australia should ban, as a blanket ban, any synthetic product that hasn't been approved by the Therapeutic Goods Administration and that includes cannabis and synthetic cannabis, regardless of the brand, because the mix of chemicals can have disastrous affects depending on what's mixed together," she said.
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MrIbis
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i tried my own home preparation of AM-2201 and damiana today, and i must say i'm quite impressed - how these companies get away with selling the stuff for such high prices is amazing...
Not sure if I should ask this here but it seems to make more sense that I ask in this thread rather than start a new one. Anyway, my state recently outlawed all spice type products with a complete ban on any synthetic cannabinoid products, so the shop that I usually frequent for spice has had no such products over about the last 3-4 weeks. However, I went in yesterday and the owner told me that he had a new spice that just came in from the maker's of a well known former brand of spice. According to him, it was a brand new preparation they're trying, and he said that it does not contain a synthetic cannabinoid(or anything related) but some different type of chemical that the manufacturer's would not specify. He was very emphatic to me that I might not enjoy it as much the previously legal blends because it doesn't contain the cannabinoid. I tried it, and it gave me a slight effect, but nothing worth the $[snip] I spent for a gram of it. So does anyone have any idea what chemicals they might be using in this new blend? Anyone else have any experience with any possible "new" spice products that have shown up for sale since some of the recent bans in certain states? Do you think they just screwed me and tricked me into buying a mixture of herbs that had no psychoactive properties whatsoever, and they're just trying to make a little more money before all of these products are made completely illegal whether they contain synthetic cannabinoids or not? Thanks, J
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MrIbis
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google AM-2201, Acetone, Damania.. you'll be surprised how simple it is to save yourself a lot of money..
Mr Blonde
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Not sure if this has mentioned before, but has anyone seen Kronic and the like being sold in convenience stores yet? I picked up a friend yesterday and he was telling me how the night before he had walked up to his local convenience store (non-franchise) and bought a gram of the stuff. I'd only ever heard of it being sold in head shops here in QLD.
tyrael
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Awesome to hear from a cannabis aficionado - one with (by the sounds of it) a brain between their ears*!
(Chronic) cannabis users generally get a (tbh, sometimes not completely unfounded. It is called "dope" after all!
) bad rap, when compared with other people who may have a different DOC! And although I'm personally not a cannabis user (doesn't really do anything for me tbh - too many negative side-effects then positive for me!) I pretty much just wanted to say it's kinda refreshing to hear, like I said, a cannabinoid(s) aficionado here!Guess it goes to show that you (unfortunately!) can't trust any "sort of" dealer - legal or otherwise!
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Agreed! They won't be able to prove that these synthetic cannabinoids are "safe" since that (more or less. possibly 'less' if someone more pharma-in-mind could enlighten us?!
) by proving that they are are, its (maybe? ) basically proving that cannabis is "safe"**.Also agree with you're comment about alcohol being introduced these days...and tbh, i doubt (very much!) that it actually would be introduced these days***!
*no need to flame me! i'm sure i wasn't talking about you, yeah you there! you're on BL fgs!
** again, please don't flame. im not entirely up with my cannabis/THC knowledge. its been a lot time since ive studied this! >_<
***considering alcohol is one of the most socially destructive drugs on the planet
TendrilZ
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There's so much noise being thrown out about the 14 additional synthetic cannabinoids that are being banned in WA but I can't find a list anywhere that shows which ones they are. Does anyone know where I could find the list of the new additions to the banned list?
poledriver
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[NZ] Synthetic cannabis off shelves by next Wednesday
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All synthetic cannabis products including Kronic will have to be taken off shelves by Wednesday next week after the first ban under amended drug legislation was issued today.
Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne, who promoted the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill passed by Parliament last week, today issued a temporary notice to take effect in seven days.
The 12-month notice lists 16 synthetic cannabinoids as the equivalent of Class C1 drugs, which makes it illegal to manufacture, import, expert, sell or supply those substances or products containing them.
All 43 synthetic cannabis products currently on the market, including Kronic, will be affected.
Matt Bowden, who imported the chemicals used in Kronic, said the decision had prompted him to pull out of the legal high market.
He said new sythetic drugs would be introduced into the market as importers attempted to skirt the regulatory laws.
"The Government has said it will now play regulatory cat and mouse with these products. That means fly-by-night products with short production runs, low safety standards and still no regulations. I don't want any part of that."
The Ministry of Health banned popular Kronic brand "Pineapple Express" in June, after scientists found it was contaminated with a controlled anti-anxiety drug.
Despite that, Mr Bowden defended his product, saying it had never caused a reported death.
He said he would work on an "epic" rock album until Government established a better regulatory framework for synthetic drugs.
The ban is an interim measure while the Government works on an overhaul of the Misuse of Drugs Act. Manufacturers will ultimately have to prove the safety of their products before they can be sold.
The listed substances will be assessed by an expert committee which will advise whether long-terms controls should be placed on them.
"These products are untested as demonstrated by two recent recalls, and suppliers cannot experiment on our youth," Mr Dunne said.
Responding to industry comments that new products would be brought in to replace the banned substances, Mr Dunne said: "Make my day. We have got this covered."
Any new unproven product would face the same treatment as those listed today, he said.
"The industry needs to get the message -- the game is over. You have not behaved responsibly at any point and we have taken matters out of your hands."
The Government had been criticised for not moving fast enough, but Mr Dunne said it was important to do the job properly.
"Hastily developed overseas legislation that some held up as the example to follow is already failing as new products with new ingredients are simply going around the law," he said.
"Our law means we can cut them off at the chase. We can respond very quickly to any psychoactive substances they want to throw our way, and basically ban them immediately."
- NZPA
Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne, who promoted the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill passed by Parliament last week, today issued a temporary notice to take effect in seven days.
The 12-month notice lists 16 synthetic cannabinoids as the equivalent of Class C1 drugs, which makes it illegal to manufacture, import, expert, sell or supply those substances or products containing them.
All 43 synthetic cannabis products currently on the market, including Kronic, will be affected.
Matt Bowden, who imported the chemicals used in Kronic, said the decision had prompted him to pull out of the legal high market.
He said new sythetic drugs would be introduced into the market as importers attempted to skirt the regulatory laws.
"The Government has said it will now play regulatory cat and mouse with these products. That means fly-by-night products with short production runs, low safety standards and still no regulations. I don't want any part of that."
The Ministry of Health banned popular Kronic brand "Pineapple Express" in June, after scientists found it was contaminated with a controlled anti-anxiety drug.
Despite that, Mr Bowden defended his product, saying it had never caused a reported death.
He said he would work on an "epic" rock album until Government established a better regulatory framework for synthetic drugs.
The ban is an interim measure while the Government works on an overhaul of the Misuse of Drugs Act. Manufacturers will ultimately have to prove the safety of their products before they can be sold.
The listed substances will be assessed by an expert committee which will advise whether long-terms controls should be placed on them.
"These products are untested as demonstrated by two recent recalls, and suppliers cannot experiment on our youth," Mr Dunne said.
Responding to industry comments that new products would be brought in to replace the banned substances, Mr Dunne said: "Make my day. We have got this covered."
Any new unproven product would face the same treatment as those listed today, he said.
"The industry needs to get the message -- the game is over. You have not behaved responsibly at any point and we have taken matters out of your hands."
The Government had been criticised for not moving fast enough, but Mr Dunne said it was important to do the job properly.
"Hastily developed overseas legislation that some held up as the example to follow is already failing as new products with new ingredients are simply going around the law," he said.
"Our law means we can cut them off at the chase. We can respond very quickly to any psychoactive substances they want to throw our way, and basically ban them immediately."
- NZPA
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