The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 4th Dose (don't overdose)

[psood0nym]

^Yeah, either could conceivably induce it. Methoxetamine's irritability inducing hypomania, which I've found can persist in a reduced form on into the next morning, or GBL's dopaminergic energy and disinhibition could all contribute to anger issues.

Since my last mini-report, I've used the methoxetamine/DXM/ondansetron combo twice, with both times seeing a resurgence of the phantasmagorical visuals reported earlier. I'm not sure if it's the combo of the drugs that's responsible for the degree of barefaced presence the visuals maintain or if it's just the fact that I'm that much more dissociated than I usually am when I use methoxetamine alone. Whatever the case, I still really wish I knew more about what I was looking at.

There are definitely themes to the visuals' presentation. The most prevalent is "hair" growing and covering a current scene and then receding to reveal yet another ghostly vista. The ceiling will also often billow downward like a great milky drop of viscous resin, and then grow canvased with some texture or other, like slow flowing river bottom reeds or undulating phalanxes of black squiggles. My best guess is that I'm looking at aggregations of middle tier perceptual processing. That is, the patterns are "higher order" than the organic geometries typical of 5HT psychedelics, but less life like and memory-dependent than the simulacra of dreams.

 

[Transcendence]

Bummer eh ?

Delusions of grandeur & mania is what mxe is all about for me

Absolutely. I'm well familiar with these states after experimenting with extensive amounts of various 2Cs, but MXE is so convincing in a way it actually took me a day or two before I saw through it. It's more than a little frightening how far gone you can get with this stuff before realizing it. And it's even more scary that the effects seem to persist for days afterward to a small extent.

It's been four days since I've ingested any MXE (or any drug at all), and I still feel manic and with an inflated sense of self-worth. The confidence is nice and all, but I feel like I can't shut up and this is the polar opposite of my typical personality.

I've come to the conclusion that this is an incredibly long lasting drug. I still feel it in my system nearly a week afterward after using it for three days in a row. I've never experienced this with any other drug with the exception of SSRIs. I'm not referring to just the mental aspect; I also retain a distinct opiate buzz that's not exactly subtle (nor altogether unpleasant, tbh). It is disconcerting however that this drug maintains its grip after four nights of abstinence, good rest, and good nutrition.

Anyway, I've always enjoyed reading about your experiences with psychedelics B9. I'm really interested in hearing more of your opinion of MXE (and that's not the mania talking, I swear!).

But what I really want to say is: PLEASE BE CAREFUL GUYS. The unshakable confidence that MXE imparts can easily cause you to do things that seem entirely reasonable at the time, but are actually silly at best and dangerous at worst. It seems like a lot of people are binging on this and I don't want to see anyone get hurt.

 

[Mugz]

Absolutely. I'm well familiar with these states after experimenting with extensive amounts of various 2Cs, but MXE is so convincing in a way it actually took me a day or two before I saw through it. It's more than a little frightening how far gone you can get with this stuff before realizing it. And it's even more scary that the effects seem to persist for days afterward to a small extent.

It's been four days since I've ingested any MXE (or any drug at all), and I still feel manic and with an inflated sense of self-worth. The confidence is nice and all, but I feel like I can't shut up and this is the polar opposite of my typical personality.

I've come to the conclusion that this is an incredibly long lasting drug. I still feel it in my system nearly a week afterward after using it for three days in a row. I've never experienced this with any other drug with the exception of SSRIs.

Anyway, I've always enjoyed reading about your experiences with psychedelics B9. I'm really interested in hearing more of your opinion of MXE (and that's not the mania talking, I swear!).

Wanted to quote this too even though I never like to quote the post directly above it. That's not the matter here though, lol.


I get the very same feelings after a big dose of MXE, am feeling it right now and yeah it feels good, but there is a dark side to it too. As you are obviously aware the delusions of grandeur are manifestations of psychosis. It does feel good to be confident after the drug, but you can't let yourself get carried away with it.

MXE is a weird and wonderful thing. It does feel like you have all the answers and you could do anything, but that could be a dangerous thing. It is just so damn interesting though, can't keep away from it


What would be reallly interesting would be to take a large dose of MXE and then get into a sensory deprivation tank

But what I really want to say is: PLEASE BE CAREFUL GUYS. The unshakable confidence that MXE imparts can easily cause you to do things that seem entirely reasonable at the time, but are actually silly at best and dangerous at worst. It seems like a lot of people are binging on this and I don't want to see anyone get hurt.

I'll echo that tooo

 

[Transcendence]

I don't know how many of you guys have taken this in groups with friends, but I assure you that you'll be rolling your eyes the next day as you reflect on the giant circlejerk. Some snippets:

"I feel like this is the MDMA of our generation! This drug came at just the right point in history. People our age are getting pissed and we're going to be out on the streets soon. Baby Boomers had LSD, Gen X had MDMA, and Gen Y has MXE."

"We're so clever and hip to be doing this drug, yada yada yada. An outside observer will dismiss our thoughts as typical psychedelic ramble, but unlike other psyches, these are fully formed and coherent thoughts! Might we have finally stumbled upon the perfect drug??" *cue NIN song*

As if taking MXE is some meaningful form of civil disobedience.

Both hilarious and sad.

 

[Sp33dy]

^lmao I agree, but the sad part is that I can see people really using this as a tool to do stuff like that. Im starting to feel like ones experience with methoxetamine is more personality dependent than other psychoactives. I can see this being used for some really nasty things.

There is so much information on this page. lol I'd quote this entire page if I could. Page 34 ftw I love the harm reduction posts above, keep'm coming

 

[Ralt]

I don't know how many of you guys have taken this in groups with friends, but I assure you that you'll be rolling your eyes the next day as you reflect on the giant circlejerk.

I took MXE socially with one other on mXE as well, and one person on shrooms. We had a great time, and while most of the chat was silly and nonsensical, a good time were still had by all. I had the most fun I think cause I got to walk another person through a dissociative trip for his first time.

 

[Transcendence]

Ok, I'm at the point now where MXE makes me feel startlingly normal. And I don't mean that it's simply not working, I mean I actually feel way more clear-headed and "normal" after dosing than I did when sober. I think this is a bad sign.

Ooops.

 

[MyExcuse]

Trip report: MXE (110mg) + 4-AcO-DMT (5mg) I.M.

Just felt I should include this wonderful experience I had earlier today. After arriving home, I prepped a syringe with 110mg of MXE, the remainder of what I had, and a tiny bit of 4-AcO-DMT, to add some color to the experience. In the past, this combination (ketamine instead of MXE) had produced some profound effects which I was never fully able to explore due to limitations on the supply of the ketamine.

At approximately 6:30pm I injected the solution into my right thigh muscle and waited for take-off. To pass the time I played a bit of StarCraft 2, but this soon became too difficult to focus on. I then moved to the bed. By 7pm I was lost in a space that I've only experienced before on Ketamine in high doses. The experience always begins the same, with me trying to get from my current location to a superior location.

Overall, the trip is a journey whose description is never well explained. It's like being on a train connecting you to everywhere you have ever been. Sitting, the doors open periodically to allow new passengers on, and you are gifted glimpses into the ecosystem of a particular train station stop. The wind blows, a car horn honks, there is a smell in the air. And then you are ripped away, whisked to a new location. I writhe with blinding white light and orgasmic numbness. There is no destination, there is nothing to think about, just opening doors and obscure snippets of various life scenes.

"This is incredible", I laugh out loud. There is nothing like the K-hole, or M-hole experience. It is brought upon so suddenly that any conscious objection, notion or preconception is destroyed. Not only is your conscious state destroyed, but it is remodeled, to the liking of the drug. It's as if a team of construction workers come in to demolish an old building in order to build a new one. In the process of their work, they realize that their new building is a replica of the one which they had previously demolished and so they leave the keys to this building in a safety deposit box. The train doors open.

Finally, I am back at base-line, there is a calm in me. A serenity and peace which I have not had for such a long time. This state, this place, if there is anything holy - it is the only thing that truly is.

 

[Xamkou]

Just took 150mg up the nose. Not done this stuff for about 8 weeks, I suppose I'm in for one hell of a few hours!

 

[Xamkou]

Also, just taken 100mg 6-APB. Hoping for a good interaction. Coming up atm on MxE, wowowo hahaha and about an hour for the 6-APB to start I imagine.

 

[Sp33dy]

Also, just taken 100mg 6-APB. Hoping for a good interaction. Coming up atm on MxE, wowowo hahaha and about an hour for the 6-APB to start I imagine.

There has been some really negative reactions with this combo. Most would recommend you to not mix 5/6-APB and methoxetamine. Reports of serotonin syndrome-like symptoms when combined. Everybody should take the time and read all 4 Big and Dandy threads.... not only would this be a form of harm-reduction, but you would get to see the documented start/beginning of methoxetamine. I personally give the experience of reading from the beginning two thumbs up :D

 

[psood0nym]

Just felt I should include this wonderful experience I had earlier today. After arriving home, I prepped a syringe with 110mg of MXE, the remainder of what I had, and a tiny bit of 4-AcO-DMT, to add some color to the experience. In the past, this combination (ketamine instead of MXE) had produced some profound effects which I was never fully able to explore due to limitations on the supply of the ketamine.

At approximately 6:30pm I injected the solution into my right thigh muscle and waited for take-off. To pass the time I played a bit of StarCraft 2, but this soon became too difficult to focus on. I then moved to the bed. By 7pm I was lost in a space that I've only experienced before on Ketamine in high doses. The experience always begins the same, with me trying to get from my current location to a superior location.

Overall, the trip is a journey whose description is never well explained. It's like being on a train connecting you to everywhere you have ever been. Sitting, the doors open periodically to allow new passengers on, and you are gifted glimpses into the ecosystem of a particular train station stop. The wind blows, a car horn honks, there is a smell in the air. And then you are ripped away, whisked to a new location. I writhe with blinding white light and orgasmic numbness. There is no destination, there is nothing to think about, just opening doors and obscure snippets of various life scenes.

"This is incredible", I laugh out loud. There is nothing like the K-hole, or M-hole experience. It is brought upon so suddenly that any conscious objection, notion or preconception is destroyed. Not only is your conscious state destroyed, but it is remodeled, to the liking of the drug. It's as if a team of construction workers come in to demolish an old building in order to build a new one. In the process of their work, they realize that their new building is a replica of the one which they had previously demolished and so they leave the keys to this building in a safety deposit box. The train doors open.

Finally, I am back at base-line, there is a calm in me. A serenity and peace which I have not had for such a long time. This state, this place, if there is anything holy - it is the only thing that truly is.

That’s a beautiful description, My Excuse. Compare your description to this quote from my IM synthetic psilocin and ketamine report, Reflections in an Obsidian Fountain, and I think you’ll agree we have experienced a very similar psychedelic phenomenon:

From here I find myself pulsing through the veins of the tendril, hurled through various channels of my life’s experience with a speed exceeding some definite but unknown limit. But I never feel confined to just one channel. It’s as though I am looking into a single facet of a prism, with my immediate experience playing out in the largest and most central frame of the kaleidoscopic scene but with innumerable other experiences of my life felt flitting like flames around its edges. Everything is so present, so clear.

Like before, when the memory of falling and gripping the root on the island during a summer kayaking trip was followed subsequently by falling from my skis and into snow, the channels of my memories remain networked through associationistic nodes.

A string of prayer flags snapping in the wind over a Nepalese mountain expanse becomes psychedelically spliced into the cable line of a tramcar leading down from Rio de Janeiro’s Sugar Loaf peak. A tunnel maze beneath the floor at Chuck E. Cheese’s I crawled through during a childhood friend’s birthday party opens out into a blizzard-battered night framed by the mouth of a snow tunnel dug out at age nine along my parent’s street.

I travel between waking life memories and memories of dreams thought forgotten forever with equal facility. In this world constructed of life experiences and held together by associations, dreams bear loads as heavy as those from waking life.

And I’ve dreamt of this moment, this experience itself, too, vaguely even as a child. I’ve harbored a desire only brushed against at the far edge of those callow dreams, which I thought impossible to sate: to clothe myself in any texture of experience at will, to sink into its tangible moods, and to tumble through life’s wardrobe naked and laughing. A ridiculous dream, but here I am triumphant in spite of it, laughing.

I spent a few years investigating the psilocin/ketamine combo because it was so fascinating. Once while within the thrall of the experience I asked out loud, “where I am I”? I felt my lips and tongue contorting in response, and heard word sounds tussling through my head, as if I were trying to speak a response. Eventually I spat out the answer “address gnarls”. The enunciation arrived with the implicit meaning that I was in a place in the mind where the location codes of all stored memories are “tangled” together in bundles of sometimes extraordinarily loose associations, such that memories from very different chronological points in life are in contact, and consciousness can jump between them desultorily like an electrical arc crawling through steel wool.

One other time I received another, but similar metaphorical answer through automatic speech. This time it was “tonight I bathe in the ever ebullient foam,” with the understanding that the color bands on the surface of the bubbles of the foam represent the spectrum of moods that compose memory. Each bubble’s surface was understood as consisting of a liquid layer flowing freely within itself and between all others in the froth. Between each new episode of the trip (your train stop destinations) the foam dissolves into undifferentiated water, and then effervesces again into a new experiential matrix. The formation of new episodes of the trip actually had a tactile component that felt like dissolving and aerating froth, like enervated foam. This is the same thing I refer to as the in the title of my trip report, with the "fountain" being the foam and the "reflections" being the images on the surface of the bubbles.

I tried the methoxetamine/psilocin combo once, and I found it to be similar to the ketamine/psilocin experience but all running together, like the “train” in your description crashing into a mountains side with all its cars crumpling up in a pile of spaghetti carnage. I heard the music I usually listen to in order to structure the trip deconstruct into mousy screams of distortion. I think it was torture for my subconscious. I’m glad it works similarly to ketamine/4-AcO-DMT for you, though! My new obsession is DXM/ondansetron/methoxetamine, which gives me a similar “random train stop” experience, but the destinations never have anything to do with my life or memories. They’re just totally phantasmagorical and play out on my ceiling with eyes open as if I'm watching a movie screen. In fact, it's kind of like how movies often portray tripping, the kind of thing we scoff at and say, "tripping is nothing like that!"

 

[lurching]

for those who were looking for a dissociative/opioid hybrid, but didn't find it in mxe: try pentazocine. it has mainly opioid effects, but strong NMDA activity in higher doses as well.

 

[Mugz]

I know that o-desmethyltramadol is relatively new and related to tramadol obviously, but has anyone tried mixing it with MXE, or is this unwise, are there any big pharmacological no nos about risking this combination?

 

[Transcendence]

I'm starting to think MXE has more similarities to PCP than ketamine.

 

[Ralt]

I'm starting to think MXE has more similarities to PCP than ketamine.

Me too, and I don't mind this at all. It's more like a cross of PCE and DXM in effects.

 

[Transcendence]

I don't mind either, and I'm definitely not saying it as a backhanded way of putting this chemical down. I typed out a long-ass rationale of my comments but decided to make it a stand alone thread because I don't want it get buried. Please check it out Ralt, I'd like to hear your thoughts since you have experience with PCP (or at least its close analogs).

 

[psood0nym]

^Check page 11 of the "3rd dose" thread. That was the last time people who have used 3-MeO-PCE were saying methoxetamine is much closer in its effects to that compound than ketamine (given its structure that's easily the chemical we'd expect it to resemble, more than PCP for sure). It's been discussed at least once more prior to that. There is a massive amount of redundancy in these threads due to people not reading or searching them, discussing the same things over, and thereby lengthening the threads and making others even less likely to read through them for that fact. I myself brought up the 3-MeO-PCE topic redundantly in that last thread (but that was after a search didn't turn up anything for some reason).

 

[Transcendence]

Now you tell me! I literally spent the last hour typing out my thoughts on the subject in a word processor. Last count was around 800 words. Now I feel too silly to post it. At least it was good finger exercise. Lesson learned: ustfe.

It's too bad methoxetamine will probably never be the subject of any professional clinical trials since it'll be vilified and banned shortly after some Daily Mail bimbo stumbles across it online. I shudder to imagine the intimidating monikers that Britain's finest publications will conjure in order to strike fear into the heart of every soccor mom nation-wide. May I suggest "woof woof" or "kitty meth"?

 

[Limitbreaker]

Woah, this drug is the drug of the future. It has a chance to stay in the "drug canon" among all those psylocibin, LSD, MDMA, even if delegalized (*spits*), as long as the lab tests don't come up with something not very funny (*spits again*), like brain damage...

And the addiction... Woah, I've been clean for so many days (except for the one occasional 1st time LSD), and this.... This MXE is really encouraging me. Not like the experiences were THAT awesome, because they weren't.

Wanted to say something more but I lost my train of thought.

Take care!