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Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

Workplace safety cited in push to outlaw Kronic

The Northern Territory is moving to ban the cannabis substitute Kronic to ensure workplace safety.

The synthetic substance is being sold in stores across the Territory under a variety of names including Kronic, puff, dust or magic dragon.

The Territory Government will introduce legislation during parliamentary sittings next month to outlaw Kronic and similar substances.

Matthew Hickson, from Northern Territory police forensics, says the herbs are sprayed with chemicals.

"The compounds themselves have an action similar to that of THC, which is the same as in cannabis," he said.

Police and the construction and mining industries have been pushing for the ban.

Chief Minister Paul Henderson says they are worried about workplace safety.

"This particular substance cannot be traced [in drug tests]," he said.

"That means, potentially, people are under the influence of hallucinogenic substances, potentially operating machinery."

Mr Henderson is calling on all sides of politics to support the move to outlaw the substance.

He says the ban will bring the Territory in line with other jurisdictions around the nation.

The new law will introduce fines of up to $5,500 or two years' imprisonment for possession of the substance.
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[NZ] $8500 on Kronic, but it's time to quit

A five-month Kronic binge has cost Kristyn Scott and her partner $8500, but despite crediting the product with helping her get a job and stopping her seizures, she remains determined to quit.

The 22-year-old Dunedin woman, who has had epilepsy since she was a teenager, contacted the Otago Daily Times after learning Pineapple Express, her preferred brand of Kronic, contained the banned prescription medicine phenazepam.

Concerned over the effects the added anticonvulsant was having - although she had not had a seizure for five months - she has cut her consumption and decided to go public with her story.

She and her partner first tried synthetic cannabis in February after spotting an advertisement for the product in a video store and deciding to spend their last $12.

"We didn't know it was going to do anything ... we thought it was a load of rubbish."

However, five months later, the couple have tried every synthetic cannabis product on the market, saying the products gave them a more "intense" high than cannabis. They even kept the empty packets - all $8500 worth.


"The dairy we go to even knows me by my first name ... and we are their best customers."

Ms Scott said she preferred the synthetic version to real cannabis, of which she was once a casual smoker.

"It was a natural product, it got us way higher than pot, it is legal, cheaper, easier to get and you get way more than in a tinny [of cannabis]."

She alone has consumed more than 110 packets of the now banned Kronic Pineapple Express - ranging from a 1.25g pack ($20) to a 7g pack ($80), with the larger pack lasting about around three hours.

With the two strongest varieties, Pineapple Express and Juicy Puff Super Strength, both banned, she has gone off synthetic cannabis.

"I just think with the amount of money I have spent on this, I would have been able to buy a car."

While the anticonvulsant contained in Pineapple Express may have contributed to her not having a seizure, the self-described former "party animal" said it had made her withdrawn and anxious.

"I am concerned over what this is doing to my system."

In addition to headaches, she has experienced skin problems and weight gain as a result of frequent "munchies". Children outside dairies have also asked her to buy the product for them.

An unexpected side-effect of switching from cannabis to Kronic was that it helped her and her partner get jobs, as they were able to pass drug tests and she wanted to remain drug-free.

To deal with her addiction, Ms Scott is talking to counsellors and will probably enter a detox programme, with her sights set on studying nursing next year.

"This is not the life I want to lead."
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[NZ] Backyard cooks enter legal-high business

A growing number of small, home-based manufacturers are importing chemicals from China to make synthetic cannabis - often then packaged with labels printed from a home PC.

The mostly Chinese factories market the ingredients online. The ingredients are legally imported into New Zealand and then dissolved and sprayed on plant materials to make products similar to Kronic.

Chris Fowlie, co-owner of the Hemp Store in central Auckland, said there had been a sharp increase in smaller "garage" producers, based mostly outside Auckland.

"[They can] spend two minutes on Google to find a factory that will sell them the stuff ... find some herbs to spray it on, and go down to Mitre 10 and find a sprayer, and make it."

Recent screening by Environmental Science and Research (ESR) revealed Kronic's Pineapple Express and Cosmic Corner's Juicy Puff Super Strength contained the prescription sedative phenazepam.

Both are made by established manufacturers, but Mr Fowlie said the growth of smaller producers posed a greater health risk to the public.


Large manufacturers use a solvent to dissolve the crystalline-form cannabinoids into a "bath", into which herbs are dipped before being dried out.

But home-based manufacturers spray the cannabinoid solution from a bottle.

"It's very difficult to judge that all the herbs have been evenly sprayed, so the dosage can vary quite dramatically."

Mr Fowlie said such products could be spotted by their home-made labels.

"Seemingly every week there's a new brand. And with the speed that they're coming onto the market, I doubt that they're doing much in the way of research or testing on them."

ESR's general manager of forensic research, Dr Keith Bedford, said the screening of just over 40 synthetic cannabis products represented only a "snapshot" of the industry.

Former party pill king Matt Bowden told the Herald the synthetic cannabinoids in Pineapple Express were imported from China.

Flavourings and other materials came from the United States and Europe.

He denied knowledge of phenazepam's presence in Pineapple Express and labelled it a "contamination".

"This batch was imported at a time when our usual supplier could not meet demand, so it was most likely purchased from another supplier. We will not be using this supplieragain."

Mr Bowden said the Chinese chemical supplier under suspicion was also used by the makers of Juicy Puff Super Strength.

Mr Fowlie said it was essential to have an established relationship with a supplier.

"We currently use facilities in Mexico and Thailand ... we made a decision that we actually want to avoid some of these Chinese factories, that you really can't trust them."

WHAT PETER DUNNE DID AND DIDN'T DO

June 3: On why he didn't ban synthetic cannabis products outright:

"The evidence wasn't strong enough to go that far, and I didn't want to go down that path and then be challenged in court and overturned. Because you end up looking a bit silly at that point."

March 30: on limiting sale and advertisement:

"I have instructed the Ministry of Health to begin the process of putting the necessary controls in place. I expect these changes to come into effect next year."

June 17: On why Law Commission recommendations to make suppliers prove the safety of synthetic cannabis before sale could not be introduced until after the election:

"We're under certain statutory requirements and we have the complications of a general election occurring."

Yesterday: A spokeswoman for Prime Minister John Key said Mr Dunne was seeking advice around including some of the commission's recommendations into next month's amendments.
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hang on, so a lady with epilepsy, who had no seizures whilst using the work of the devil which just happened to contain small amounts of an anticonvulsant is worried about her health?
is that because she's worried she's going to have a seizure when she can't buy any more? lol
 
another knee jerk reaction by the government.
The people selling illegals such as marijuana, speed, ecstasy etc must laugh every time the government bans something........laugh all the way to the bank
 
finally got to try one of these blends today marley extra strength i must say after couple years on mary its still a deep head high duration is the only thing thats bad about it
 
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Fucking media just put together loose random facts like how phenazepam is used to treat epilepsy, for anxiety and as an anticonvulsant. I didn't even know phenaz was scripted anywhere in the world.

Its like yes benzos are used for this medically but phenaz is an RC benzo.
Fucking media make me mad everytime i see something on current affair about drugs i just get so mad at all the lies and BS. Our media is becoming more and more like fox news with sensationalizing propaganda and fear mongering.

The dose of phenaz is so low its not going to do shit to you unless you are smoking shit loads.
 
Fucking media just put together loose random facts like how phenazepam is used to treat epilepsy, for anxiety and as an anticonvulsant. I didn't even know phenaz was scripted anywhere in the world.
Its like yes benzos are used for this medically but phenaz is an RC benzo and i have never heard of it being perscribed for anything. They are calling it an anticonvulsant it should be called what it is a benzodiazepine.

Fucking media make me mad every time i see something on current affair about drugs i just get so mad at all the lies and BS. Our media is becoming more and more like fox news with sensationalizing propaganda and fear mongering.

The dose of phenaz is so low its not going to do shit to you unless you are smoking shit loads.
 
Well Benzo's are anxiolytic's and anti-convulsants. Also it is available via prescription in Russia.

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Fucking media just put together loose random facts like how phenazepam is used to treat epilepsy, for anxiety and as an anticonvulsant. I didn't even know phenaz was scripted anywhere in the world.
Its like yes benzos are used for this medically but phenaz is an RC benzo and i have never heard of it being perscribed for anything. They are calling it an anticonvulsant it should be called what it is a benzodiazepine.

Fucking media make me mad every time i see something on current affair about drugs i just get so mad at all the lies and BS. Our media is becoming more and more like fox news with sensationalizing propaganda and fear mongering.

The dose of phenaz is so low its not going to do shit to you unless you are smoking shit loads.
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"Phenazepam is a benzodiazepine drug, which was developed in the Soviet Union and now produced in Russia and some CIS countries. Phenazepam is used in the treatment of neurological disorders such as epilepsy, alcohol withdrawal syndrome and insomnia. It can be used as a premedication before surgery as it augments the effects of anesthetics and reduces anxiety."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenazepam
 
Reasons for delegate's final decisions, July 2011 – synthetic cannabinoids

The delegate has made a final decision on the scheduling of specific synthetic cannabinoids. From 8 July 2011, the following eight substances will be listed in Schedule 9 as prohibited substances:
(1-(5-Fluoropentyl)-3-(2-iodobenzoyl)indole) (common name AM-694);
2-(2-Methoxyphenyl)-1-(1-pentylindol-3-yl)ethanone (common name JWH – 250);
(1-(2-Morpholin-4-ylethyl)indol-3-yl)-naphthalen-1-ylmethanone (common name JWH – 200);
Naphthalen-1-yl-(1-butylindol-3-yl)methanone (common name JWH – 073);
1-Pentyl-3-(4-methyl-1-naphthoyl)indole (common name JWH – 122);
1-Pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (common name JWH- 018);
2-[(1R,3S)-3-Hydroxycyclohexyl]-5-(2-methylnonan-2-yl)phenol (common names cannabicyclohexanol or CP 47,497 C8 homologue); and
2-[(1R,3S)-3-Hydroxycyclohexyl]- 5-(2-methyloctan-2-yl)phenol (common name CP 47,497).

These new entries will be incorporated into the SUSMP through a special amendment (SUSMP No. 1 Amendment 3). An electronic copy of SUSMP No. 1 Amendment 3 will be available from 8 July 2011. The next SUSMP consolidation (SUSMP No. 2) will also contain these amendments and hardcopies of the consolidation will be available for purchase from August 2011 from National Mailing and Marketing Pty Ltd, telephone 02 6269 1035. A hardcopy of SUSMP No. 1 Amendment 3 will not be produced.
Reasons for the decision

This decision was made following consideration of a number of factors, including widespread reports of abuse and misuse. The delegate noted that there was no evidence of current established therapeutic value for these substances and their use was associated with a significant number of potential risks. The delegate decided that to protect public health, uniform restrictions should be placed on these eight substances which would limit their use to strictly controlled medical and scientific research.
Implementation

The delegate also decided that, due to the potential of the use of these substances to cause harm, a shorter implementation period would be required than those reserved for routine scheduling decisions (8 July 2011).
Further information

Further details of this decision and supporting reasons are available in the July 2011 Public Notice of final decisions by delegates for amendments to the Poisons Standard. This Public Notice is accessible at 'Reasons for delegates' final decisions'.
Additional scheduling consideration – group entries

The delegate has also referred the scheduling of a number of broader groups of synthetic cannabinoids for advice from the October 2011 meeting of the Advisory Committee on Medicines Scheduling. The delegate's proposal for this matter along with an invitation for public submissions will be published on 10 August 2011 at 'Scheduling advisory committees invitations for public comment'.
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more info @ http://www.tga.gov.au/industry/scheduling-news.htm
 
you're welcome belarki

looks like the party is over for the main rc's, pity they missed a whole stack, but I am sure the analogue laws cover them
 
All blends containing JWH 018 and pretty much any other analouge have been removed from shelves I noticed today... just gonna produce a stronger underground market 4 the pure powdreed shit and lead to more OD's (pats on the back for govts drug policies):|
 
^ How big would such an underground market for synthetic cannabinoids be though? I imagine there will be some demand, met by overseas online suppliers, but for the most part I'd suppose a lot of people will just go back to regular cannabis
 
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