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Upper vs. Downer People

I much prefer downers, and I cannot fucking handle upper people who have the magical ability of using 1000 words to say absolutely nothing.
 
Transcendence said:
I much prefer downers, and I cannot fucking handle upper people who have the magical ability of using 1000 words to say absolutely nothing.
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Sounds like you're hanging out with some beginner-uppers :)

All the advanced stimulant users I know will remain completely calm and collected in the midst of a blazing amphetamine euphoria.
 
Transcendence said:
That is true, I know people who get completely chill on meth.
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In my honest opinion it annoys me too when I'm being interrupted every 5 seconds by a bunch of pointless blabbering, but that is when you must take yourself back to your first great stimulant heights. Who is to judge? Let them have their fun :)
 
Where's the psychadelics option?

But out of stims and downs, it's absolutely downers always. I hate stimulants and everything about them. The toxic feeling, the comedown, the lack of sleep, the suppressed appetite, the forced and artificial euphoria, the stress.
All of these side-effects are just shitty.

Give me some lovely opiates though and I feel like i'm riding the cloud 9 and feel euphoric in such a natural way. No comedown....make me confident and chatty but not in an irritating and bullshit way!

Downers ftw.
 
Downers versus. Uppers

I thought this was VERY interesting.

My psychologist and I have had a perplexing discussion a few weeks back and I thought it was interesting to mention this and I want your view points. We were talking about my certain "behaviors that I liked to do" and how I experimented lightly with cocaine during this spring break.
At one point I brought up my love for taking risks.
Whether it was roller coasters, or driving very fast, or having unprotected sex. The discussion quickly turned into us discussing "psychological venues/medications" I told him

"I could not see myself surviving without coffee or energy drinks, honestly that stuff helps me get through the day. Even though it's bad. All though I do not particularly enjoy alcohol. So It balances out to a certain extent. It would make sense I have symptoms that dismay Attention Deficit Disorder and I want things that will make me alert and energetic"

To which he kind of said this.

You have more of an inclination for an adrenaline rush. People have certain hobbies that gives their dopamine receptors a reward for what they do.It gets more complex then that of course. Reading a book or going on a scenic hike gives you more of peaceful feelings versus going on a run means our brains are fundamentally different to what we prefer as pleasure or a reward and this goes hand in hand to our receptors to what they really want. This is why you hear some people say "I hate reading books, i'd rather be doing something outside" or "I am too lazy to do anything" those statements effect us on a more neurological level but we do not realize it.

He then took a really interesting turn.

A person who enjoys doing opiates or benzos most of the time would not want a strong stimulant such as cocaine or methamphetamine.Yes, It is true you get a very strong high from both, they effect your brain and central nervous system in different ways
As a person who has enjoys the adrenaline would not per-se enjoy the sedative effects of a benzo all the time or an opiate as their preference lies more to an upper/stimulant"



I never thought about it that way before. For you personally do you enjoy doing things like stimulants or downers more when it comes to your "In the end Preference"


(My list, to which may be incorrect. I apologize if it is)

Uppers:
Cocaine
Methamphatimine
Ecstasy
Ritalin
Adderal
etc.

vs

Downers:
Alcohol
Opiates
Painkillers
Benzos
Marijuana (A hallucinogenic, but it has calming effects)
 
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I am also in love with euphoria, so I think I value that over which direction the drug sends you.

I definitely prefer downers to uppers but that's not because I enjoy CNS depression more than CNS stimulation, it is simply because I find the side effects of downers to be less cumbersome. I do not like being completely unable to sleep on amphetamine and cocaine scares me with its cardiotoxicity. If cocaine was perfectly safe on the heart, then I would probably prefer it over alcohol. Do you see what I'm getting at?

When I was suffering from a lot of anxiety, I enjoyed alcohol and benzos more than usual. My favorite class of drugs is psychedelics and after that I like opiates but once again, I think my reasoning is built on side effect to euphoria ratio rather than the drug being an upper or downer. I like opiates because they make me feel good without destryoing my body, not because they are sedating.
 
theotherside said:
I enjoy opiates, which I don't consider a downer...and entactogens which I don't consider an upper. I am in love with euphoria and mind expansion so I'm not much help here.
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Hahah, see I am different from that regard. While YES, an opiate is very nice. (I remember I had surgery and I had leftover Oxycontin) The high while it was "nice" was not something that I honestly truly truly enjoyed.

Versus. When I tried Cocaine a few times. I really loved the feeling it gave me. The feeling of alertness and confidence.
So if I had to choose it would be the latter.
 
burn out said:
I am also in love with euphoria, so I think I value that over which direction the drug sends you.

I definitely prefer downers to uppers but that's not because I enjoy CNS depression more than CNS stimulation, it is simply because I find the side effects of downers to be less cumbersome. I do not like being completely unable to sleep on amphetamine and cocaine scares me with its cardiotoxicity. If cocaine was perfectly safe on the heart, then I would probably prefer it over alcohol. Do you see what I'm getting at?

When I was suffering from a lot of anxiety, I enjoyed alcohol and benzos more than usual. My favorite class of drugs is psychedelics and after that I like opiates but once again, I think my reasoning is built on side effect to euphoria ratio rather than the drug being an upper or downer. I like opiates because they make me feel good without destryoing my body, not because they are sedating.
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My psychiatrist said while stimulants and downers are both very addicting. Downers pose less stress on your immune system. Chronic use of Opiates, Marijuana and Benzos did not impose as much weakness to the immune system as chronic use of methamphetamine/crack cocaine did in clinical studies.
 
rbbhf111 said:
My psychiatrist said while stimulants and downers are both very addicting. Downers pose less stress on your immune system. Chronic use of Opiates, Marijuana and Benzos did not impose as much weakness to the immune system as chronic use of methamphetamine/crack cocaine did in clinical studies.
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^^^^^^^

Agree 100%
 
^ this. In fact, opiates are all 100% non-toxic; they do not cause degeneration like, say, meth or coke. The harm that follows upon the use of opiates is not strictly consequent, but correlative; it has alot more to do with the laws, which effect a person's spending, or with the stigma, which creates a culture of silence. This is why people like doctors and lawyers, who have access either to the drug or to money to get the drug, are frequently able to continue their use of it for so long. Did you know that 15% of surgeons are addicted to opiate-type drugs?

I would have though it's fairly plain that the drugs a person prefers have alot to do with their disposition. Some drugs are complementary to other activities, or can scarcely be contemplated in separation from some kind of activity (ecstasy, pot, speed maybe). Other drugs are totally inconsistent with any kind of activity (high doses of opiates and sometimes benzos).

I also think it has alot to do with the sort of life a person has lived and the sort of habits they've formed. Someone who is active and dynamic is probably less likely to fall for opiates than someone who is introverted and thoughtful; I don't use these terms with any sort of value attached - I could never stand pot but the instant I tried benzos/opiates I fell in love. It helped slow down my mind which was always painfully active and ruminating; pot and speed only did the opposite.

Now that I'm a few days clean I am starting to become reacquainted with the reasons which led me to opiates initially ; )

S
 
Interesting discussion. By mother nature's guiding hand, my natural disposition is to be a fast-paced, extroverted individual. People tell me that I remind them of a "hippy," though, because despite the fact that I'm naturally "amped up," I come across as someone who is chill, relaxed and down to earth. This is not, however, how I feel internally. Internally, I am a maelstrom of relentless introspection, rumination and contemplation. Sometimes the amount of thought that my brain allows to transpire in a given ten-minute period can be, quite frankly, completely overwhelming.

Thus, my preference (by FAR) has always been downers. Opiates are my number one love, and though I am clean, I know the insidious seed that a decade of abusing opiates has planted in my brain will always affect me in ways both conscious and subconscious.

I do enjoy stimulants when I go through periods of depression and the cog wheels of my mind have stopped their rotation. I tend to feel "stuck." During these periods, my love for opiates does not cease. However, I become much more receptive to the idea of ingesting dextroamphetamine, methamphetamine, cocaine, 4-FA, methylone, MD(M)A, mephedrone and MDAI.

To sum it up, my propensity for downers (benzodiazepines, barbiturates, opiates/opioids) is highly pervasive and independent of situation. My propensity for uppers (those mentioned above) is completely dependent upon the situation.

I don't really know how to wrap up this post lol but I thought it was relevant. And typing it out further actualized how I view the two classes of drugs as they relate to my life and state of being.

~ vaya
 
Downers. I've been addicted to opiates for close about 12 years now. I also love benzos.

However, the most euphoric experience I've ever experienced from any drug came from crystal meth. I was on that and dextroamphetamine (prescribed) for a year and that one year (2008) was the lowest point and most disgusting year in all my years of drug abuse. When I'd run out of my script (150 count of the 5 mg IR tabs I used to get a month), I'd go to the street for crystal. The whole "speed" subculture and people involved in it were absolutely very different from the heroin/opiate scene I was used to. It's a perverted, insidious, and dare I say 'evil' subculture. There is something really perverted and disgusting about it.
 
suessmayr said:
I also think it has alot to do with the sort of life a person has lived and the sort of habits they've formed. Someone who is active and dynamic is probably less likely to fall for opiates than someone who is introverted and thoughtful; I don't use these terms with any sort of value attached - I could never stand pot but the instant I tried benzos/opiates I fell in love. It helped slow down my mind which was always painfully active and ruminating; pot and speed only did the opposite.


S
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I have a cousin that doesnt like opiates at all but has done plenty of coke & crystal in his times & also smokes alot of weed. Hes always on the go & is a professional photographer that has him going to all sorts of places so what you've stated above seems to be true.

Im the opposite, hate the stimulants but do like the opiates. I use to be on the go when I was younger & it seemed I would always like something speedy back then but things change & so do people.
 
I love the combination of uppers and downers.
Amphetamines of all sorta (including meth) + certain benzos (clonazepam, diazepam, etizolam) really provide a nice experience.
Cocaine feels like it needs a more potent/faster onset hypnotic benzo like Alprazolam altho Kpins work too.
Opiates can be mixed wonderfully with uppers. I've had cocaine + heroin speedball IV'd and it was one of the best IV drug experiences I ever had. about .2 or .3 g of coke and 3-4 bags of dope together felt good.

Some of the only times of smoked crack have been when I was a dopefiend, very often my hookups/junkie friends would score some rocks along with the bags or be smoking it already, and when shooting dope I'd often be offered hits of crack for free, I never would go out of my way to seek out crack or pay for it, but it was ok when free while using heroin. I find Michael Aligs quote from party monster ironically true for me; "I won't do crack without Heroin".
I also enjoyed snorting Meth about 100-250mg, and 80mg Oxy along with a few 10mg percs oral. As the comedown approached I found 1mg Kpin was still necessary tho.


Other mixes I've done are 4-fa, M1, and amps with Flunitrazepam/etizolam

Buprenorphine 2-4mg is something I just always have as part of my regimen, I wouldn't say I feel it contributes much of anything significant to the experience, except towards the very end during/after the comedown, if I take my second dose or take a small booster of bupe I am able to occasionally nod off and get sleep easily
 
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Opiates....all the way! But I do like the occasional stimulant, but it just feels like it's so hard on my body, wheras opiates seem to vibe with my body and I hardly ever get the sensation that opiates are hard on my body.
 
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