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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke
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Teach me how to smoke weed! 
So i've smoked just a little over a handful of times, the most recent times causing extreme panic, inter monologue, and depersonalization.
The first few times were okay.
Im prescribed Xanax, .5 footballs.
I want to have a relaxed, giggly, creative high. Not a down, zoned out, trippin high.
Should I take a .5 xanax, wait 30-40 minutes and take a few hits of a joint?
Will the Xanax intensive the high and make me down and forgetful, possibly fall asleep? or will it just keep my anxiety at bay, and let me enjoy my high and laugh?
So i've smoked just a little over a handful of times, the most recent times causing extreme panic, inter monologue, and depersonalization.
The first few times were okay.
Im prescribed Xanax, .5 footballs.
I want to have a relaxed, giggly, creative high. Not a down, zoned out, trippin high.
Should I take a .5 xanax, wait 30-40 minutes and take a few hits of a joint?
Will the Xanax intensive the high and make me down and forgetful, possibly fall asleep? or will it just keep my anxiety at bay, and let me enjoy my high and laugh?
I am like everyone else in this thread I get extreme anxiety and paranoia when I smoke excessive amounts of marijuana or if I am around other people. Because of that I only smoke when I am at home by myself relaxing, gaming, doing whatever in my comfortable environment. Time to light one up and play some DOTA!
Time to light one up and play some DOTA!
xthxdistortion
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One time my paranoia / anxiety was so bad that I blacked out, in which I was scared that I was going to die due to dehydration (Cotton mouth.) Which was mostly because I was far from my house and had absolutely no type of something to drink.
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TMNPothead
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am2201 over dose
This thread is not meant to scare anyone or troll, just thought id give my experience with synthetic cannabis and the hell it's putting me through right now. I started using "spice" blends around this time last year, mainly K2 and Bonzai plant growth regulator. Soon after i did the research to find out what the hell it was in these blends that gets you high and discovered the entire world of RC's.
Around March of this year i started ordering the chemicals themselves online and making my own blends to save some money. I smoked my blends daily for a couple of months and also tried a bit of methylone. The date was May, 28th and i went in my house complaining of a very bad headache and stomach ache. Around an hour later my mother found me in my room, i had fallen out of bed, had a seizure, and was foaming at the mouth.
I was rushed to the hospital and medically sedated for a week so they could run test on me and try to find out what was wrong, unfortunately synthetic blends don't show up in a test so they had no idea what i had takin. Luckily one of my good friends stepped forward and told my parents what we had been doing. As i came to I had no idea what the hell had happened, i had the worst amnesia and couldn't remember a thing sense around March when i had started ordering the chems from online vendors, and still don't really. Just bits and pieces. Apparently i had started selling my blends to people and did a bunch of other stuff that i will probably NEVER remember. I also had kidney failure and very high blood pressure.
Now that i have recovered a bit and am out of the hospital i feel obliged to let people know how bad this stuff can be, like i said i had tried methylone on occasion but no near everyday like i had been the am2201 and JWH blends before it. I am lucky to be alive and am never trying these synthetic blends again. I know i probably would have not stopped unless i went through this experience and i know this thread alone will probably not stop anyone from doing them either but i feel like i have to throw this out there. Long term effects of the chems are not known yet and obviously don't have the safety profile marijuana has, if you're going to experiment be very very careful, I would not suggest making your own blends or indulging in them everyday like i was.
Stay safe Bluelighters
This thread is not meant to scare anyone or troll, just thought id give my experience with synthetic cannabis and the hell it's putting me through right now. I started using "spice" blends around this time last year, mainly K2 and Bonzai plant growth regulator. Soon after i did the research to find out what the hell it was in these blends that gets you high and discovered the entire world of RC's.
Around March of this year i started ordering the chemicals themselves online and making my own blends to save some money. I smoked my blends daily for a couple of months and also tried a bit of methylone. The date was May, 28th and i went in my house complaining of a very bad headache and stomach ache. Around an hour later my mother found me in my room, i had fallen out of bed, had a seizure, and was foaming at the mouth.
I was rushed to the hospital and medically sedated for a week so they could run test on me and try to find out what was wrong, unfortunately synthetic blends don't show up in a test so they had no idea what i had takin. Luckily one of my good friends stepped forward and told my parents what we had been doing. As i came to I had no idea what the hell had happened, i had the worst amnesia and couldn't remember a thing sense around March when i had started ordering the chems from online vendors, and still don't really. Just bits and pieces. Apparently i had started selling my blends to people and did a bunch of other stuff that i will probably NEVER remember. I also had kidney failure and very high blood pressure.
Now that i have recovered a bit and am out of the hospital i feel obliged to let people know how bad this stuff can be, like i said i had tried methylone on occasion but no near everyday like i had been the am2201 and JWH blends before it. I am lucky to be alive and am never trying these synthetic blends again. I know i probably would have not stopped unless i went through this experience and i know this thread alone will probably not stop anyone from doing them either but i feel like i have to throw this out there. Long term effects of the chems are not known yet and obviously don't have the safety profile marijuana has, if you're going to experiment be very very careful, I would not suggest making your own blends or indulging in them everyday like i was.
Stay safe Bluelighters
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Enix150
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TMNP your tale is interesting to me as I have not heard of anyone having a seizure while not actually under the influence of one of these substances (specifically 018 or 2201) and therefore I have a few questions. First, were the spice blends you created primarily AM-2201? or did you regularly use other synthetics in your blends as well?
I also wonder about your family history; have any of your extended relations ever had a seizure? I am curious as to whether the cannabinoids caused this or perhaps if they provoked an underlying condition?
I also wonder about your family history; have any of your extended relations ever had a seizure? I am curious as to whether the cannabinoids caused this or perhaps if they provoked an underlying condition?
Swallowing solvent seems pointless to me as well... If one were to ingest a solution of acetone, ethanol, or iso; would the solute not precipitate out on contact with their bodily fluids or whatever (polar) liquid it was mixed with to make it consumable? I haven't heard from anyone who has had much luck with synthetic cannabinoid ingestion.. Although I was once told that if the solution was mixed with a liquid which was already a suspension (such as milk) that its bioavailability may be increased? any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated!
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Regardless of whether it precipitates out or not, the point is that it gives you a much bulkier material from which to measure doses. Lots of people have had success with oral administration, have a read through the threads here and in PD. Have no idea about the BA thing, can't see how it would work.
Chainer
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I eat JWH-018,250,81,073 and it works just fine. Better then fine, actually. I'd say 3x your smoked dosage is going to get you blitz'd for 8 hours.
I've always just poured it into a shot glass filled with gatoraide, poweraid, or tea. I've had success doing this countless times. The high is MUCH more intense, be aware.
Enix150
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@chainer: the effects last that long? even with 250? could never get that one to last more than 30min... 081 on the other hand seemed to last all day even at low doses.
and my apologies I didn't mean no luck; it worked... the effects were always just mild in my opinion, but I suppose I hadn't tried tripling the dose yet, consider me conservative lol but thanks for the tip!
@vader: oh, no I understand using liquid to more accurately dose it out. but I always thought you should use some type of oil rather than a solvent if you plan to ingest it. and eating straight lipid-soluble powder has not proven very bioavailable in my experience. maybe this is a jump, but I was just extrapolating from what I know of vitamins: fat soluble ones do not digest easily unless dispersed throughout some kind of carrier oil. the idea is that as the milk is slowly titrated into the jwh-ethanol solution the precipitate would form either on the surface of or within the lipid-micelles already suspended in the milk. I know several vitamin manufacturers have been toying with a similar idea by suspending fat-soluble compounds such as CoQ10 (which is normally almost indigestible its bioavailability is so low) in what they are calling "nanomicelles" then suspending them in a polar solution in order to drastically increase their bioavailability.
I hope this clears up the idea I was trying to convey, and thanks for such quick feedback!
and my apologies I didn't mean no luck; it worked... the effects were always just mild in my opinion, but I suppose I hadn't tried tripling the dose yet, consider me conservative lol but thanks for the tip!
@vader: oh, no I understand using liquid to more accurately dose it out. but I always thought you should use some type of oil rather than a solvent if you plan to ingest it. and eating straight lipid-soluble powder has not proven very bioavailable in my experience. maybe this is a jump, but I was just extrapolating from what I know of vitamins: fat soluble ones do not digest easily unless dispersed throughout some kind of carrier oil. the idea is that as the milk is slowly titrated into the jwh-ethanol solution the precipitate would form either on the surface of or within the lipid-micelles already suspended in the milk. I know several vitamin manufacturers have been toying with a similar idea by suspending fat-soluble compounds such as CoQ10 (which is normally almost indigestible its bioavailability is so low) in what they are calling "nanomicelles" then suspending them in a polar solution in order to drastically increase their bioavailability.
I hope this clears up the idea I was trying to convey, and thanks for such quick feedback!
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fluffybudzz
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by the way, I have been experimenting recently with eating jwh-018 infused damiana. It definatly works and very well. Brewing the leaf in tea does not work. Chewing down a few pinches of it gets you super super high. But it takes roughly 3 hours to kick in which sucks. Just in case anyone was interested in this. Be careful not to overdo it tho because it can make for a very difficult experience
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^ Why would you infuse the damiana just to eat it? The powdered form is one of the easiest to dose drugs ever.
Enix, yes I've had fine success with 70% of the JWH series I've tried. By far my favorite oral combination is 250 + 018. I eat roughly 75mg, I do not suggest that for anyone else unless they are experienced with the drug and psychedelics, as it can be quiet a rough ride. I've had more trouble of high JWH doses then with extremely high 2c-e doses.
Enix, yes I've had fine success with 70% of the JWH series I've tried. By far my favorite oral combination is 250 + 018. I eat roughly 75mg, I do not suggest that for anyone else unless they are experienced with the drug and psychedelics, as it can be quiet a rough ride. I've had more trouble of high JWH doses then with extremely high 2c-e doses.
sighhill
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First time making a herbal blend.
Since this is the first time I'm making a herbal blend, I'm only making half an ounce and only using 400mg of jwh 019. I weighted out 7 grams mullien and 7 grams damiana. Put 400 mg's of jwh in 150 mL of everclear and stired till disolved. I then put the everclear/jwh mixture in a spray bottle and started spraying the herbs down. It just really looks like a high ratio of liquid to herb mixture. I'm doing this kinda just for the fun of it but now it's getting frustrating, plus I know jwh's can be potient at low mg's. I need help. Am I doing this right?
Since this is the first time I'm making a herbal blend, I'm only making half an ounce and only using 400mg of jwh 019. I weighted out 7 grams mullien and 7 grams damiana. Put 400 mg's of jwh in 150 mL of everclear and stired till disolved. I then put the everclear/jwh mixture in a spray bottle and started spraying the herbs down. It just really looks like a high ratio of liquid to herb mixture. I'm doing this kinda just for the fun of it but now it's getting frustrating, plus I know jwh's can be potient at low mg's. I need help. Am I doing this right?
Roger&Me
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I would dissolve the JWH in dry acetone (use anhydrous MgSO4 for drying), then stir in the plant material and let the whole thing evaporate on a plate with high surface area.
Sounds like quite a lot of liquid, and as Rog says, acetone is the way forward. I also don't understand the logic behind spraying it, it seems like it would be difficult to avoid spraying more than the target area, and it's easy to just stir some acetone through (acetone evaporates very quickly, so it doesn't matter if it's a bit wet).
greenmeanies
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As I have stated before in several threads on this subject, synthetic cannabinoids MUST be dissolved into edible fats before consumption! And believe it or not, the specific fat DOES make a difference!
The human body metabolizes different fats in different ways. "healthy" long-chain unsaturated fats (like the ones found in olive oil) are very SLOW to metabolize, which makes them TERRIBLE for drug dosing!
Short and medium chain saturated fats that are "unhealthy" actually get sent straight to the liver for processing into energy. This means that any drugs that have been dissolved in milkfat will be absorbed into the bloodstream MUCH faster than drugs dissolved in olive oil.
Simply cook a stick of real, artery-clogging, moo-cow BUTTER in a small saucepan on low heat. When it melts, stir in the appropriate quantity of your cannabinoid. Stir and heat gently until all crystals are dissolved. You may then consume the butter on any food that butter normally goes on, or let it cool and use it to make a box of brownie mix. (therefore, for 12-15 single-serve brownies, i would suggest mixing 120-150mg of JWH into the whole batch of butter)
Cannabinoids dissolved in butter are very predictable to dose, with most of the potent ones (018, 081, 122, etc) only requiring 5-10mg for most people. Comes on in 15-30 minutes. Beware of over-dosing. A couple friends of mine ate three squares (30mg total) of my fudge and proceeded to hug the toilet bowl for the next three hours.
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Here you go.
Quick jwh video tutorial i made a while back for people asking how to make blends. You gotta sit through a commercial before the video loads.
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fluffybudzz
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I infused damiana to smoke it actually. But I had a cold and thought I would try eating it.
ditto on the 2c-e thing, i have had some fairly intense visuals on jwh-018, orally it seems to kick my ass.
sighhill
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Thanks guys for the advice. When it comes to RC's I'm more of a MDPV/4mmc kinda guy but I had a general idea on how to make it and after a guy from work swore by the 1 gram jwh to actually 350mL everclear with one ounce herb, I just had to try it. I ended up using only 90mL of everclear with the other 600mg's of 019 and found that using a syringe instead of a spray bottle was much easier and less time (making sure to mix after every syringe was emptied. The half ounce with the 400mg was too weak as expected. The 600mg was just right for a 2 hitterquitter, but sometimes I like to enjoy the process of smoking it. Of course I'm going to mix these two together later. SO far it's burning really harsh and the taste isn't the greatest. But it does do the trick.
Honestly I don't even know what or even where to get acetone. And what's this about "use anhydrous MgSO4 for drying?"
I'm going to have to watch that video again, take some good notes, and figure my desired ratio's. Hopefully my next batch won't end up burning like old dried up hey.
Once again fellows, thanks for the advice.