Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

[Sameria]

Thanks Juvenile. I'll tell all my friends who work on-site to stay away from all synthetic cannabanoids. It's a fucked up world where your employment dictates what you can and can't do outside of the job...

 

[Juvenile]

Tell me about it I have not smoked any real stuff since ~2007 due to work. I have also taken quite a few days of annual leave on Mondays just to give time to flush large weekends out of the system.

But hey, I like my job and want to keep it.

 

[Divine Moments]

Tasmania set to ban synthetic cannabis

Tasmania looks set to become the first state to outlaw a synthetic cannabis known as Kronic.

Australian law enforcement and health professionals are concerned about the drug and several states are considering placing restrictions on its sale.

It is being marketed as a legal alternative to cannabis, inducing the same feelings of relaxation and euphoria described by regular users.

But authorities say it is potentially 100 times stronger than marijuana and can produce extreme reactions including severe hallucinations, heart palpitations and psychosis.

It has prompted Tasmanian police to lobby the State Government to make it illegal.

Police believe the Government will add Kronic to the state's list of banned drugs on Monday.

 

[just sayin]

I recently bought some Kronic, but since then I've been doing a little digging, and from what I can gather, I don't think it's actually legal in Queensland. I was actually thinking about becoming a retailer of the products, and I wanted to confirm they were legal before starting up shop. What I found surprised me.

According to the Drugs Misuse Regulation (1987), "Cannabinoids other than tetrahydrocannibinols" are schedule 2 drugs (same category as real weed). Legislation available here: http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/D/DrugsMisuseR87.pdf (page 25)

What I find most interesting, however, is that unless there's some amendment which I've not seen, wouldn't this also make carrots illegal?

On the subject of amendments, I really doubt there's anything I've not seen, since it was still included in the 2008 amendments, available here: http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/ACTS/2008/08AC004.pdf (page 22)

Just something worth considering for anyone out there in Queensland under the impression that these, and other synthetic cannabinoids are legal.

 

[King_87]

is there an article available about that or just word of mouth? i'm interested because i have friends in WA at Port Hedland working. they don't use but i do know others from my home town who smoke it occasionally and are faced with the possibility of a piss test each day. the lucky dip method, pick the wrong coloured ball and you have to piss for them.

Yeah thats the same way we get chosen, the key is to ask to see in the bag so that you know its a fair test. Then you have an idea where to get your ball from.

It's been banned by the company for about 2 months now, with supervisors having the option of getting people they suspect of smoking it tested.

Yesterday the policy changed so that it part of every normal drug test. The only word of mouth part is that it's only a few of the people tested getting their samples sent to perth for the JWH (or whatever they look for) analysis. That won't last long even if it is true.

They also banned planking this week, 7 people fired already.

 

[Jabberwocky]

They also banned planking this week, 7 people fired already.

yeah they're starting to crack down on that where i come from - handing out fines, etc. i think the whole planking thing is fucking ridiculous and the people caught in the act deserve what they get.

idiots are doing it on scaffolding equipment from fuck knows how high they're up. it's sure way to an early retirement

 

[poledriver]

Tasmania set to ban synthetic cannabis

Tasmania looks set to become the first state to outlaw a synthetic cannabis known as Kronic.

Australian law enforcement and health professionals are concerned about the drug and several states are considering placing restrictions on its sale.

It is being marketed as a legal alternative to cannabis, inducing the same feelings of relaxation and euphoria described by regular users.

But authorities say it is potentially 100 times stronger than marijuana and can produce extreme reactions.

It has prompted Tasmanian police to lobby the State Government to make it illegal.

Police believe the Government will add Kronic to the state's list of banned drugs on Monday.

AMA Tasmania president Dr John Davis says Kronic has serious side effects.

"Heart palpitations, hallucinations, delirium and severe depression, and who knows what else because the drug's only been around four years and we've got no idea what the long-term effects are," he said.

Kronic is already banned in 16 countries.

BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto have also banned it at their mines because of widespread use by some workers.

A number of other states including Western Australia are also considering making it illegal.

But dealers of Kronic say outlawing it will not stop them from selling it.

Kronic is being sold through at least one Launceston retail outlet and on the street.

"Incredible - I'm selling stock before it comes in," Troy Growden, a Kronic supplier, said.

"We've had a problem with the supplier. He's actually been that run off his feet that he's run out of stock so he's waiting on supply, I'm waiting on supply and it's all already sold."

here

 

[probids]

The fight begins

These products have been around a while and it is the journalists who kicked up the stink. I wish they would send a few more journo’s over to Afghanistan. The thing with the mines it is not really about safety. If the mining companies were concerned about safety these guys would not being doing 12 hour shifts in those condition for 14 days straight. Having said that for every Australian worker regardless of race or religion they can dismiss they can then employ more section 457s workers for much lower salaries. This is political bullshit and the politicians have known about this for some time. It is the press exposure that they must act on when they wish it would just go away. The mining lobby groups will not allow that to happen.

Think about it there are 400 over shops around Australia employing over 1000 people directly growing everyday. A high percentage of these people used to sit on their asses smoking dope on the dole. How many Governments have spent millions trying to achieve those stats?

This could be taxed at the same rate as alcohol and tobacco and treated under the same laws we practice on the roads. This will create employment and reduce crime whilst also raising State and Federal revenues. Blends could be made for violent and sex offenders. How many prisoners refuse to take the pharmaceutical companies chemicals that do far more damage? Medication via a Vaporizer could also be used a behavioral tool. When they give methadone to Heroin addicts like they do in prison and in life do these people not become more productive?

I could be wrong but would like to hear people’s opinions. I also believe this might become a restraint of trade issue with the manufactures and higher courts. We have a trade deal with NZ so we could see some legal action.

I have seen the online ABC reports about tassie just now but I heard this is happening in NSW and QLD can anyone confirm or deny?

PS Mister there is no blend from kronic called Aussie gold. The product is manufactured in NZ only and is distributed from the Gold Coast. There are quiet a few new products out there though and they have been successful is using the recent exposure of the kronic to push their own mixtures that you can learn to make through these very pages quiet cheap. I am 5 minutes away from attempting my first batch but I will talk about that in another area not here.

 

[just sayin]

I have seen the online ABC reports about tassie just now but I heard this is happening in NSW and QLD can anyone confirm or deny?

According to the legislation, all cannabinoids have been schedule 2 drugs all along in Queensland (see my earlier post for links to legislation). NFI about NSW.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I hate to be that guy but has anyone got any feedback on the aussie blends karma and kaos versus that of the nz kronic?

Im in the city on my phone waiting to see a dr so will jump on my lappy after and do a little research.

 

[Jabberwocky]

so that's the blend i bought - it's an aussie blend. nice relaxing high, no axnxiety, racing heart or the like though that was probably due to the diazepam i had prior. smoked it at around 2:45pm or so and still floating along nicely at 4:30pm. sat in the city botanics with manson pumping through my mp3 playing reading the local rag. got sociable so called dad to give him a report haha.

back at home now and took another 10mg diazepam and about smoke a couple more pipes then possibly sink a beer or two.

feels very good, man. not disappointed though am looking forward to, if possible finding out the active. in due time i imagine it will be revealed.

back of package states : "karma is a blend of herbs, spices, essential oils, plant extracts, compounds and concentrates plus flavours". was a little harsh through the pipe alone though mixed well with some roll yer own tobacco in the spliff

acquired 3.5 grams for what you would pay for double the amount of bud within a city location - not cheap but not over the top as the kronic prices were; with a minimum buy of a quart ounce (7gms). will definitely last me a while as i'll only need a small toke. it's definitely helped ease the bad pain i've been all day though that's also associated with the valium again and the neurontin to a degree.

 

[Mr Blonde]

According to the legislation, all cannabinoids have been schedule 2 drugs all along in Queensland (see my earlier post for links to legislation). NFI about NSW.

Just to clarify for those who don't read the links; state legislation often differs from the Federal legislation, so that Schedule 2 in QLD is equivalent to an S8 in the Federal SUSMP.

 

[phase_dancer]

According to the legislation, all cannabinoids have been schedule 2 drugs all along in Queensland (see my earlier post for links to legislation). NFI about NSW.

That then depends upon what common use definition of a cannabinoid being referred to. Most dictionaries state a cannabinoid is something found in the cannabis plant e.g. CBN, CBD etc:

Free Dictionary

A chemical compound in cannabis. or marijuana.

Answers.com
Any of various organic substances, such as THC, found in cannabis.

etc.

The oxford dictionary seems to include a broader definition, although it doesn't specifically mention synthetics.

Oxford definition any of a group of closely related compounds which include cannabinol and the active constituents of cannabis.

If we are to assume a synthetic must be structurally similar to a banned compound to make it an controlled substance analogue, rather than it only being pharmacologically similar, then there are many synthetic CB1 agonists that would not be covered. Making JWH018 illegal would probably cover a few, but there's still lots out there that have quite different chemical structures.

I'd also suggest that if these compounds were considered illegal under current legislations, we would have heard stories of people being prosecuted for supply /possession etc.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Just to clarify for those who don't read the links; state legislation often differs from the Federal legislation, so that Schedule 2 in QLD is equivalent to an S8 in the Federal SUSMP.

heh, you snuck the reminder in after i reiterated it this morning:D

so when's your pharmacy starting to stock it

 

[Divine Moments]

^^ good point pd. I always assumed it to be the latter definition though, in following with other usage of the suffix -oid, e.g. an opioid being a substance which acts on the opioid receptor as opposed to an opiate being an opioid found in (or derived from an opioid found in) the opium poppy - I'm not aware of an equivalent term for cannabinoids though.

 

[Jakeperson]

Cannibate? Lol

 

[Jabberwocky]

recreational/potentially abusable drug more like it

 

[Jakeperson]

I find them to be far more enjoyable and abusable than weed.

First day on Kronic = great high, intense anxiety
Second day = nice high, no anxiety whatsoever

First day of weed = okay high, moderate anxiety
Second day of weed = okay high, moderate anxiety
Third day = below okay high, moderate to intense anxiety


And tolerance to this stuff builds A LOT quicker than weed, for me anyways.

 

[Jabberwocky]

And tolerance to this stuff builds A LOT quicker than weed, for me anyways.

yes, agreed.

too expensive to replace weed if you smoke a little each day. my tolerance to weed seems to keep at a constant when i'm only having a little to help with my nerve pain or a little before bed.

karma, i've had to increase pipe size each day so far.

 

[drug_FUCKED]

Best cannabanoid smoking blend for nausea and appetite

Need to know what the best cannabanoid smoking blend for nausea and appetite is in australia.

some of the ones i know about in australia:
Tai High Afghan Kush -
Tai High Bubble Berry -
Tai High Gold Super Strength -
Aussie Gold
Pineapple Express
Tropical Explosion
Skunk
Purple Haze

Aussie gold doesn't do nothing for either.