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4-Fluoroamphetamine

fuck me in the arse, 4-fa was wearing off so took a few small lines of good quality mdma(probs 100-130mg crystal) , OMG was so intense i nearly passed out, wasnt pleasent tbh, could barely move. the 4fmp in my system must of potentiated the fuck out of it.

bad HR dont repeat this!
 
Whats a good starting dose for this compound. Not to get too wired but for a decent buzz./ some euphoria?

I have read through the thread and the dosage advice seems to vary quite a bit, some get it from 80mg, others 180mg. some say redose works , others say it only adds to overstimulation

would you need to have the next day clear as I guess sleep is hard to comeby seeing as its amphetamine. maybe benzos would help as usual ?
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I would advise to start low if you have never done it before as you could be one of the people who finds a low dose to be a decent dose. If it isn't then you can always try again another night.

Start with 80mg orally, don't snort the stuff as it is more likely to give you lots of negative side effects, like vomitting, splitting headache.

The empathogenic effects normally last about 3 hours then it is just straight stimulation.

Is one of my fav stims actually, willl have to get some again in the future.
 
^ thanks man
Its been on my to do list for a while and I normally dont like stims so I will go for a low dose first
 
erm, well my first time I mixed it with MDMA didn't take the mdma until the empathogenic effects of the 4-FA had worn off about 3 hours later. Worked nicely together but I don't think I would do it again. Better off on their own in my opinion.
 
bignbrown said:
fuck me in the arse, 4-fa was wearing off so took a few small lines of good quality mdma(probs 100-130mg crystal) , OMG was so intense i nearly passed out, wasnt pleasent tbh, could barely move. the 4fmp in my system must of potentiated the fuck out of it.

bad HR dont repeat this!
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They seem very, very similar in effect so I'm not at all surprised to find potentiation at those doses. I'd have dropped those mdma doses by half or maybe even a quarter. Might have been a little more comfortable.

There's talk of combining M1 & Meph with 4fa for extending the euphoria, but this once again is something I would recomend only after seriously reducing the dosages of each compound & redose only when absolutely certain you're in your comfort zone.

I found that 4-fa & MDAI were an odd combo. I kept the dosage of each low but didn't feel much euphoria or uplifted. Just a kinda subtle, not particularly tactile stimulation. I don't recomend this combo.
 
I tried this yesterday, taking 80mg a couple hours after doing a allergy test
I was quite impressed, nice euphoria, rushes and talking and sociabilty were also pleasant.
The effects lasted about 3 hours and then it was really just stimulation. However it was not too much and I was able to sleep 8 hours after dosing. I was tempted to redose but I think it would have only added to the stimulation
Seeing as I took a dose which is well below what most people say is optimal I was very impressed and would not want to push the bounderies. Maybe I will go for 100mg next time
 
Quick trip report
105 kg male, empty stomach, 90 m/g Paxil daily, did some MDPV about a week ago.

Also quite impressed with this one, as the anxiety/jitters doesn't seem out of hand. Started with 100 mg, added 100 mg about an hour later. Mild euhporia, but nothing uncontrollable, and still have the confidence to interact socially without being a blabber. (MDPV made me, a normally introverted person, into a yapyap machine, though I still loved it) That being said, I have done some major blow in my time, until the cuts got worse and worse. (Nobody ever believes me, but cocaine tought me how to deal with panic attacks-I can cut them off at the pass anytime now).

Ah, good old restless leg syndrome, we meet again :)

Strangely, my batch was a pinkish colour and had mild floral odours. I have a feeling this was done to mask that usual benzole aroma. Taste was still awful, and whatever you do, do not insufflate this stuff-it makes snorting speed seem like a walk in the park. I'm only a few hours in, but I like the cleanliness of this stimulant. Not gonna take you to the moon, but I'd give it my recommendation. Can't comment on any MDMA relation, since I seriously doubt I've every had the real thing.

Well since this 4FA is definitely giving me the urge to type, I'll add a few more lines. It's always interesting to see how different people have vastly different reactions to identical substances. I was hyped over MXE a few months ago, and boy was that awful. An hour of great tripping followed by a day of sleeplessness, panic and walking around like an old man.

On a final note, this 4FA in low doses would definately beat caffeine hands down as far as getting work done. Then again I hate caffeine, the paranoia seems oddly potent for such an everyday stim. Ok, I've said enough.
 
Your not ment to sniff 4-FA. Infact the high off it seemed almost unpleasant when sniffed. Bombs of 100-150mg seemed the way to go recreationally. Probably much less if your trying to use it in a productive mannor.
 
... doesnt does it, almost the exact opposite in fact. Perhaps a new source & another try Cracula!?! I seem to get an almost anti-depressant lift from post-mxe use.

& I agree, never should one snort 4-FA. I caused a small wound using even the finest grind & the wound became infected after I snorted some shit Meph a few days later. I was in a fair bit of discomfort around the nostril entrances for about a week.

4-FA is however, one of the finest compounds I've found since my interest in RC's were perked around the beginning of 2010. There IS bunk shit about though, be careful with any large purchases, keep an eye on "terms & conditions" & try not to get scammed. It IS happening!
 
I have now read this whole thread and I am going to bump it. After 12 years on this site I think I can speak my mind.

I have absolutely no idea what to make of this substance because of the quite incredible manner in which most people have approached the experimentation of it. I come from a country where it is basically impossible, unless you run the gauntlet, to obtain these countless different types of "recreational/stimulant/empathogenic/entactenogenic/hallucinogenic/i'mcompletelytrolleyedogenic" drugs. It is just mind boggling.

hi, have tried this stuff a few times and i've got some strange side effects, although im pretty sure i took too much.

i sniffed around 600mg id guess over the space of a few hours

first off the stuff defo ain't supposed to go up your nose! my nose is i cut to shreds on the inside and im pretty sure bits of nose flew out when i blew it!

but yeah the weirdest side effect i got was an absolutey aching head, a real pulsating pain. it happened after a big line. the thing i noticed was that sniffing it hurt more than usual, it started off a bad stinging sensation under my eye (ever get when you do a line and it 'goes up the wrong way' so to speak) .. difference was this progessed into a real bad pulsating headache

the weirder thing was that the headache gradually died off when i stood up, to the point where it was non-exsistant after a few minutes. sitting back down it would return, roughly around the same amount of time it took to die off. this pain lasted for maybe 3 or 4 hours before fucking off!

the next thing was a really sound strange in my ear. when i stook up i'd get the usual slight dizzyness etc, but then i'd start hearing a loud hissing noise, sort of like a untuned radio. it would get quite loud to the point it was hard to hear the tv and music. this happened near enough every time i stood up! it was defo 'in my head' as i could hear the noise just as vividly when my put my fingers in my ears to see if it disappeared!

this strange sound continued on until even after i'd slept, athough it got quiter over time
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This post is a disgrace. All of these symptoms are consistent with massively inflated blood pressure, where this young man (no question it is a young man) has a significant risk of stroke or aneurysm. It sounds like he is having a pretty fucked time and I am not surprised. It is entirely consistent with an overdose of an amphetamine, over whatever period of time. I keep thinking that 50mg of pure methylamphetamine could kill a non-tolerant user. I have had even just 30mg of dexamphetamine at once, and the feeling is patently unpleasant, high blood pressure, general wiredness, it is just not nice. And here we have someone consuming 600mg of a para halogenated amphetamine. Fuck knows what this compound does. We know if you swap a chlorine for the fluorine some of the neurons in your brain are completely destroyed. Now I know that this one small difference in the molecule might change things, after all, you drop one oxygen atom from carbon dioxide, which is what we all breathe out, and you end up with one of the most lethal and readily available poisons causing respiratory failure and death known to man. But the above approach is seriously outrageous. Thankfully some of you pulled him up on it.

Next, I read of the guy, who mind you is doing his best to give us a decent trip report of 4-FA, that when it all got a bit hard, being not really what he was after, he decided to consume 140mg of MDMA crystal mid trip??!! OMFG. That quantity of MDMA crystal, for anyone who has had a remotely decently rest from these drugs (maybe even only a couple of weeks) should be the most incredible empathogenic/serotonergic drug experience anyone could ever have. It should be savoured forever. Not dusted as icing sugar over some strange fruit cake that was the 4-FA.The entire 4-FA report, and any good he might have done in assisting others with gaining some insight into this compound, is rendered meaningless.

It really has been an eye opener. Thanks for letting me speak my mind.

As for snorting, well the reason it hurts is because it is a fairly caustic, near pure, crystalline powder, that may or may not dissolve well up there. I have no idea why people who are intent on snorting substances that plainly should be swallowed, don't cut their substance down 50% with glucose powder, with precise measuring and thorough mixing of course.

P.S. Is there anyone who can genuinely assist with determining how this substance should be treated by people who may be keen to try it and what sort of users it is best suited to? Thanks. For those people who did positively contribute with their experiences, I thank you. As does this site.
 
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Amphetamine (cross) tolerance does that to people. A half gram of 73 percent dexamphetamine.sulphate gives me a good few hours of fun and I have no problems with eating on it nor sleeping afterwards nor do I crash, it's just gradual diminishing of the effects. As much as i'd want to agree with you i've abstained from amphetamines for half a year to lower said tolerance and start experimenting in the lower dosages but alas that just doesn't feel the same. I do agree with you though that it's over the top; considering that we barely know the pharmacological profile...

What has been an eye opener? That euphoria chasers will be euphoria chasers and junkies will be junkies?

A nose spray is key.

Treat it as you like and whom is there to judge if a person is suited to ingest a substance? :\ The only advice I could give you is start small and dose untill you feel you have reached your sweet spot.
 
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