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Opioids Why opiates are the devil's sidekick. Also, help with Suboxone withdrawals please?!

I am no expert here at all, but aside from buying Kratom and using that (wonderful) I would actually try my damnedest to find that vic and hydro and systematically dose that over the next however long and just endure the w/d's from that which won't be half as bad

Though I dont know if this is possible as I know nothing about subs!
 
attempt4 said:
I am no expert here at all, but aside from buying Kratom and using that (wonderful) I would actually try my damnedest to find that vic and hydro and systematically dose that over the next however long and just endure the w/d's from that which won't be half as bad

Though I dont know if this is possible as I know nothing about subs!
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Are you familiar with Kratom? I'm curious to what doses people are taking to get rid of their WDs and what dose is high enough to bypass the stim effects and get to the opiate type effects.
 
^Kratom might also work, just like tramadol. Tramadol is half very weak opiate and half anti depressant (AD). The AD part helps depression and pain.



Get some tramadol and benzos for the next 4 weeks and you will forever be able to get off this train. Take tramadol for 2 weeks, starting at 300mg and going do to 50mg. Then stop that and take benzos for two weeks for whatever leftover w/d you have. They will be so mild you will tahnk god you listened to me.

Go to a doctor and ask for these meds. Tramadol is not that hard to get and same with benzos.

I know people say not to use drugs to get off other drugs, but this makes w/d so mild that getting off is physcilally possible because often times w/ds are the reason people stay using because they just can't get past them. Taking tramadol and benzos for a short time after subs will not get you hooked but will make the sub w/d so mild you will fly past and will not be freaking out. All you will get is some insomnia and RSL once you stop all meds for a few weeks.
 
lozgod said:
Are you familiar with Kratom? I'm curious to what doses people are taking to get rid of their WDs and what dose is high enough to bypass the stim effects and get to the opiate type effects.
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Like ~7g is what it usually takes... Bali kratom and capsules are recommended.

Regarding it being stimulating, many opioids are stimulating in lower doses...
 
yb62338 & MrRoot; Good advice… thanks ☺ I haven’t tried acupuncture, but maybe I will. Although getting stuck with needles doesn’t sound appealing at the moment hahah. Also, I’m 22, but I’ll be 23 in August.

So… is Kratom something you can find in a health food or herbal supplement store? Or would I have to do a Google search and order it from some sort of online pharmacy? I’ve also heard that Valerian root has some sort of opioid properties… not sure if this is true or not, I think I read it somewhere when I was going through the hydro w/d’s. Also, I would love to find the hydro as use it to wean myself off slowly, but it would require a lot of digging around in boxes.

Anyway, I’m seeing my doctor in 4 hours and plan to try my hardest to convince him to give me more Subs. I know myself and I’m not ready to get off yet. I’m getting there, but at this point… just no. I’m not in the correct mindset to push myself through the withdrawals… not gonna happen lol. Although I have to say, the Tramadol ER is helping. I only have 4 left, but if all else fails and my doctor won’t give me more Subs, I’m hoping he’ll give me more Trams or at least some clonodine. I'm making my mom come with me because he takes her more seriously than he takes me. I am just a 22 year old opiate addict after all, so what do I know? lol I guess we’ll see what happens..
 
Update: I found the hydro (it's only about 8 5 mg Vic's, but better than nothing)... and with it I also found a little tiny bit of Sub! So I took that... obviously. Still feeling a TINY bit of withdrawals, but nothing compared to how I was. And now I'm wondering... once this Sub wears off, how long before I can take the Vicodin and it will provide any sort of relief?

On another note- Sub users, do you ever get a sort of... strange feeling when you actually see some sort of opiate? Like, you know it's there but you can't take it... it's almost a mouthwater/nostalgic, yet disgusted feeling. Like you're standing on the edge of a cliff and you can choose whether to jump off or not. Idk it's weird. Maybe it's just me since it was my drug of choice, but it's making me a bit apprehensive.
 
Kratom can easily be found using a Google search, we can't help you any more than that (Bluelight does not allow sourcing - for good reason).

Use loperamide in the interim if your doctor won't prescribe you any more Suboxone, that being said, they most likely will since you're clearly in withdrawals...
 
That's the thing... I'm NOT really in bad withdrawals anymore. Only slightly. I found the hydros, plus a small crumb of Sub. Add the little tiny crumb of Sub I took + the Trams + the benzo's, and I'm actually feeling pretty damn good right now. Just some chills and itchiness and lethargy, but mentally I'm feeling better than I have in a while...

Still. Here's to hoping he'll give me more Sub anyway, since that small crumb I found with the hydro was really all I had left and I am almost out of Trams as well.

I fully understand about the whole "not posting drug retailers sites on here" don't worry lol. That's basically advocating drug use, and after the Haupt incident... well. I completely understand. Although... are you allowed to give me key words to search in Google? I wouldn't really know how to find a legitimate online pharmacy; I know, I tried before when I was having hydro w/ds.
 
^We're not allowed to give you keywords to search on Google, although it is pretty self-explanatory. I don't recommend using online pharmacies either way, TBH.
 
Yeah, I don't really trust online pharmacies because I don't know who the manufacturers are or where they come from, etc. That whole Haupt incident scared the crap out of me.

So you DON'T have to get Kratom online then... I could find it somewhere else?
Anyway, I'll do a search on it and see what comes up.
 
A lot of head shops carry kratom, at least in my area they do. I'm on day 4 of bupe w.d and the trams made it really bearable, I never took more than 75mg tho b/c that was more than enough plus I've heard if you dose 400mg and up you risk a seizure
 
^Depending on tolerance and other factors, 400mg is the "limit" dosage, but seizures have happened to people at lower doses, certain risk factors contribute to this (being on other drugs/medications that lower the seizure threshold, history of epilepsy, etc).
 
That's comforting, since there is a head shop down the street from me. I'll go check it out, maybe they've got some.

As far as the Trams, the ones I have are Tramadol ER 100mg. At this point, I'm only taking one per day since they last 12 hours.
 
Just keep in mind Tramadol is buying you some time but in the end there is a withdrawal. I hear it's not as bad as regular opiate withdrawal but is no picnic either. WD is WD. It sucks no matter how you look at it. Same applies to Kratom. This life sucks don't it. Need something just to feel normal. I look at the normals and wonder what it is like. I've gotten some clean time here and there under my belt but it seems like WD is the worst part of getting clean. Then you get through it and staying clean turns out to be harder. That monkey is always there on your back.

Don't know how relevant that is to the thread, just saying what's on my mind at the moment.
 
The last time I dosed tramadols was around noon with around 150mg and a bunch of diphenhydramine, it's 6:15 where I'm at now, if I would've seized would it have happened already?
 
No worries lozgod, this thread doesn't really have a point to begin with.

Anyway, just got back from my doctor, who prescribed me more Subs... I'm supposed to take .5mg per day. My official quit date is June 17th; he was very firm about that. My mom will be home for two weeks during that time so I'll have someone around to talk to and what not, which should help a bit. He plans to prescribe me Motrin, Clonodine, and Valium for the withdrawals.

The only thing that pissed me off is that he was adamant about not giving me anymore Tramadol. I don't understand why he would give me Clonodine and not Trams, they both attach to the opioid receptors; they're like the same freaking thing except Trams relieve pain. So freaking frustrated because I don't think just those three meds are going to be enough. I guess I'm just going to have to hold on to the three Trams and the 8 Vicodin I have left... I can always take those when it becomes too much to bear, I suppose.

I really hate doctors sometimes.
 
Clonidine doesn't attach to the opiate receptors. I works via other pathways to diminish WD symptoms. I'm pretty sure it slows down the onslaught of adrenal rush that begins with WD that causes the RLS, sleeplessness, etc etc, but am 100% sure it has no effects on the opiate receptors.
 
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