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Dedbeet said:
It's what's responsible for desire, fear, attachment, need, want, etc.

See it as ya like.

I'm off to grab a cup of tea... peace...
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I agree, but through some drugs and maybe the deepest form of meditation, you can fully shut-down every channel in which bits of reality* enter your brain. When those channels are FULLY shut down, you have no more illusion of self. You have been freed from that illusion and you experience everything, unfiltered, at once.

*by the term reality, I am referring to whatever it is that our senses pick up.
 
ektamine said:
I agree, but through some drugs and maybe the deepest form of meditation, you can fully shut-down every channel in which bits of reality* enter your brain. When those channels are FULLY shut down, you have no more illusion of self. You have been freed from that illusion and you experience everything, unfiltered, at once.

*by the term reality, I am referring to whatever it is that our senses pick up.
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Granted. But it's also possible to experience it without drugs, through clear seeing. If one understands it's an illusion, then it's an illusion. If/when taken as a "real" perspective, it will assert itself as such. Shadow peeps =D.
 
cops4rizzle said:
Then along comes 4-methoxy-PCP and all the pain is just gone, instantly. There is an unshakeable feeling that I am not alone.
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Exactly.

Up until I had K-holed, I had all these thoughts and beliefs and philosophies that were loosely tied together as my understanding of the universe.

Then I K-holed, and for the first time in my life... existence was proven to me. My consciousness had up until then been focused into my physical self. Suddenly it was released, and I quickly became everything. Since I did not die, but rather just took a drug, of course I eventually returned to my self.

Death is no different, you just don't return. You leave yourself, but nothing really leaves the universe. Nothing ceases to exist, when an individual dies. The individual simply gets reunited with everything and ceases to look at itself as an individual. The spirit is returned to whom it was borrowed from, so-to-speak.
 
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Dedbeet said:
Not really... I'm not much of a fan of psychedelics/dissociatives.
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How do you know if you haven't really tried them? ;) Dissociatives aren't like psychedelics at all really, if that's what you're comparing them too (a lot of the themes are the same, but the experience isn't) - they're a lot easier going and don't tend to cause bad trips/anxiety so much. You pretty much just get swept away...

P.S. what you're seeing as my philosophy, isn't a philosophy -- it's a perspective on reality, expressed as philosophy.
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Is there a difference?? Cos I sure as hell can't see one...what is a philosophy other than a perspective on reality?
 
Meh...sounds like semantics to me Laika..

Ek, does my spiel about 'the psychedelic experience being contained within the dissociative experience' resonate with you at all?

& do you IM your ket? seems the best way to use it, but something about shoving a needle into a muscle tissue makes me shudder...i'd be much more comfortable learning to IV.

Anyway this obviously raises lots of questions, like what are we doing here (maybe to give 'us'/each consciousness the opportunity to develop a conscience & experience freedom?), what about 'lower' life-forms etc - I don't claim to have the answers but if anyone does then speak up! Any other PD fellas ever had similar thoughts/ideas?
 
cops4rizzle said:
Meh...sounds like semantics to me Laika..
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I think you misunderstood him... he's basically saying what you said, that there is no difference between philosophy and perspective on reality.

cops4rizzle said:
Ek, does my spiel about 'the psychedelic experience being contained within the dissociative experience' resonate with you at all?
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Yes, definitely. I think psychedelics are important for understanding the self, and dissociatives are important for understanding the universe.

cops4rizzle said:
& do you IM your ket? seems the best way to use it, but something about shoving a needle into a muscle tissue makes me shudder...i'd be much more comfortable learning to IV.
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Yes, I always IM it unless its not mine and then I usually insufflate it.

DO NOT IV K!

I mean, its fine to do it once or twice, and you'll probably see first-hand why I recommend against it.

First of all: When you IV it hits you before you can fully pull the needle out. This might sound good to typical IV drug users of stuff like heroin, meth, etc... but with K a big part of the experience is feeling your senses shut down one by one, feeling yourself literally fall into the k-hole. With IV, its like someone rocketed you into the K-hole at lightspeed. Its fun for the novelty, but thats it.

Also it lasts shorter.

I've IV'ed it probably 10 times or so, but I never do it anymore out of choice, its just not as meaningful.

IM'ing is fine unless your K isn't pure. Some people will tell you only IM out of sealed vials, etc, but I've IM'ed hundreds upon hundreds shots of powdered K (all from the same, legit source mind you) and never once had a complication arise from it. Also, the damage to your muscle heals quicker than the damage to your vein.

cops4rizzle said:
Anyway this obviously raises lots of questions, like what are we doing here (maybe to give 'us'/each consciousness the opportunity to develop a conscience & experience freedom?), what about 'lower' life-forms etc - I don't claim to have the answers but if anyone does then speak up! Any other PD fellas ever had similar thoughts/ideas?
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I think the questions are only valid to 'individuals', i.e. they only matter while you are connected to your ego. For example, next time your in a K-hole, try to ask yourself what the meaning of life is. It's not gonna happen. It doesn't matter. To the universe, there is no purpose. Individuals choose to believe in meaning and purpose for reasons I do not fully understand.
 
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I think the questions are only valid to 'individuals', i.e. they only matter while you are connected to your ego. For example, next time your in a K-hole, try to ask yourself what the meaning of life is. It's not gonna happen. It doesn't matter, to the universe, there is no purpose. Individuals choose to believe in meaning and purpose for reasons I do not fully understand.
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Interesting...I don't really agree with that, and I'll explain but I haven't eaten in 24 hrs so time for some breakfast first!

re injecting K - I've never shot up before but it's inevitable i'll start eventually. I can see it's worth learning to IM for the sake of the ketamine alone. Would definitely feel more comfortable learning to IV first though, and yeah I've heard IV ket is intense beyond belief, I'm not gonna jump right in at the deep end!

Damn, peevee can take you some unexpected places, even if it doesn't involve leaving your bedroom :) I'm very glad I skipped today's lecture to stay & talk!
 
cops4rizzle said:
Interesting...I don't really agree with that, and I'll explain but I haven't eaten in 24 hrs so time for some breakfast first!

re injecting K - I've never shot up before but it's inevitable i'll start eventually. I can see it's worth learning to IM for the sake of the ketamine alone. Would definitely feel more comfortable learning to IV first though, and yeah I've heard IV ket is intense beyond belief, I'm not gonna jump right in at the deep end!

Damn, peevee can take you some unexpected places, even if it doesn't involve leaving your bedroom :) I'm very glad I skipped today's lecture to stay & talk!
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I'll tell ya, any method other than IV/IM K is an absolute WASTE. Even insufflation. It's not the same. IM'ing is not only more efficient, but smoother, a better more enjoyable ride.

RE: about the questions topic. Thats an issue I have a lot of problems expressing, so its possible we may or may not have similar philosophies. Its just really hard for me to wrap my mind around that one.
 
I'd much rather IV than IM :/
I just have a fear of needles, a fear of them piercing the skin.
Just they overall scare me. :|
Yet, I still want to experience the depth you get from IM'ing that you don't get from Insufflating, taking it orally and such. :|
 
^ Don't IV k...

Really... its a waste, you can't even remember the experience it happens so fast.
There is nothing wrong with IM'ing. In fact most people feel more comfortable IM'ing than IV'ing.

IV'ing you have to learn, and practice, and its dangerous because you only get one vascular system to work with. You can't grow new veins. Muscle, on the other hand, can heal and be reconstructed.

If you're scared of needles, dont inject. But if you do inject K, coming from someone who has done both, I highly recommend you IM. Like I said, I've done it hundreds upon hundreds of times and never had a problem. But then again, I take proper precautions when I inject. Some people don't.
 
^ indeed.

I usually find that wherever psychedelic users congregate, is where I like to be =D
 
Oral is terrible, not even worth it. You have to eat like half a gram.

Insufflating is the most practical ROA for social/recreational use. If you're with your friends, at a party, rave, etc, insufflating is the way to go. A point is a good place to start (100mg). With no tolerance, depending on your body weight, 200mg will likely K-hole you.

If you're alone in your room with the lights off and music on, IM is definitely the way to go. But don't except to be able to move for 45 minutes or so. 100mg is as high as you should go with this ROA unless you have a tolerance, or are adequately experienced.
 
It took me awhile to get the feel for how to post around here, and I thought people were dicks at first, but I couldn't have been more wrong. I'm pleased to have made an account here and to have tried posting more than 5 times.
 
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