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got some 'white widow x kimo' right now apparently, regardless of the name it is some real bomb ass dank ass fo sho
 
Just wanted to say, this forum rules. I've learning a lot since I started lurking here, and I'm glad I finally decided to make an account.

On that note, smoking some purple frost and eating beef jerky while watching Seinfeld on half my screen, BL'ing on the other half. Its great to be a human.
 
cops4rizzle said:
Nice description though, nothing yet everything...to me it feels like being (re)united with some larger, universal source of consciousness of which we are each a small fragment.
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This is almost exactly how I explain it. But don't be fooled by the inexperienced who call you crazy, there's a reason just about everyone feels that beautiful feeling on dissociatives. It's because its true, its real, its the only thing that TRULY exists... everything as one.

I look at it like... life is a fractal.

There is only one, and that is everything. There is only one conscious, a universal conscious. That conscious is subjectively experiencing itself in the form of a fractal, as in it can infinitely subdivided and sub-experienced. (Tell me if I've lost you yet, LOL). Us 'individual beings' are not individual beings at all, the walls that divide me and you are an illusion.

Now, our brains are built with filters and senses, that provide us with sensory input. We live our whole lives through this 'sensory input', and that is what makes us feel like 'individuals'. When we take dissociatives, our sensory input is shut down. All we have left now is pure conscious. Without our sensory input, we are liberated from the physical world. We have nothing tying us to it. We are instantly (K-hole) reunited with our true self, which is everything. We are everything. Everything is inside me and I am inside everything.

Tell me (and be honest) if that makes *any* sense to you?

If it doesn't, well, so be it, but just know that I know what your talking about and you know what I'm talking about, even if we don't choose the same words to express it.

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, folks!

=D
 
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^^ We're liberated from the physical world anyway. Aside from the immediate scene, here and now, where else does the physical world exist but in your thoughts? There's no need to be liberated from it unless you take it as actually being external to thought --- which it cannot be.
 
YES! it makes complete sense - in fact it's how I'd describe it almost word-for-word! Damn it makes me so happy to know that someone else has come up with the same interpretation, I mean if I had the slightest doubt about the truth/validity of this I don't know!

(I started writing more but figured it'll probably take ages so I'll just post that first)

hey pd peeps btw
 
Dedbeet said:
^^ We're liberated from the physical world anyway. Aside from the immediate scene, here and now, where else does the physical world exist but in your thoughts? There's no need to be liberated from it unless you take it as actually being external to thought --- which it cannot be.
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Right but until you've experience being conscious with ZERO sensory input (deep in a K-hole, for example) you can imagine the void, but you can't actually feel the void. Sensory input constructs our egos.

For anyone interested: Read up on John Lilly.

He is the scientist who discovered ketamine, got addicted to it, went insane from it, and later died from it (well he drowned while on it, so indirectly died from it).

Anyways he become increasingly obsessed with studying consciousness as his addiction grew. He had a stage were he was IM'ing shots of K like every 10 minutes and basically living in a sensory deprivation chamber (his favorite place to indulge).


Cool guy. Unfortunately it eventually drove him insane and he wrote a book about how he could communicate w/ dolphins or some shit (he was really into studying dolphins, as well). And then finally, he died, in a sensory deprivation chamber, on K.
 
ektamine said:
Right but until you've experience being conscious with ZERO sensory input (deep in a K-hole, for example) you can imagine the void, but you can't actually feel the void. Sensory input constructs our egos.
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Sensory input taken as input constructs our egos.

The sense that something is coming in from outside.

But we're looking out through our own eyes -- we're not being looked into by other eyes.

There is no actual incoming, no "outside coming in". Also known as "me".

Nada. Not there. Illusion.

Ask the shadow peeps... they'll tell ya.

Peace...
 
Dedbeet said:
But we're looking out through our own eyes -- we're not being looked into by other eyes.

There is no actual incoming, no "outside coming in". Also known as "me". Nada. Not there. Illusion.
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For me..
I am void of all until my surroundings fill me in with the current data spread.

There's only outside coming in. Illusion is the self.
 
cops4rizzle said:
Dedbeet have you tried a dissociative? I like your philosophy but they might surprise ya :)
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Not just a dissociative, but one at full sensory-deprivation level.

For Ketamine - thats a K Hole
for DXM - thats a 4th plateau experience
 
hmmm coulda sworn i just posted...oh well:

Here's my full interpretation & how it relates to psychedelics, which imo are a rung below on the spiritual ladder (it's pretty similar):

Deep down we all share the same consciousness. Once all the unnecessary shit is stripped away (the ego, social/gender conditioning etc.) this reveals itself as pure, unbounded LOVE (this is the essence of what I experience on a traditional psychedelic eg LSD, and seems to be as far as the experience goes.

There is some pain, however, that goes deeper than the curative powers of psyches - pain that feels like there is no possible cure (loneliness, loss of a loved one, the fact that you can't ever really know someone- i think this is what people mean by the 'human condition').

Then along comes 4-methoxy-PCP and all the pain is just gone, instantly. There is an unshakeable feeling that I am not alone. (have you noticed how all the features of the psychedelic experience are - sometimes & to varying degrees - present within dissociatives, but expanded upon? Ego loss, psychedelic visuals, love & empathy are all there, and unlike psyches happen effortlessly too, but the experience goes further). I feel like a drop of water in an infinite stream of consciousness - by being connected to the 'source' of it all, loneliness & loss are no more, as the boundaries that exist between consciousness on this plane of existence are removed. I think this omni-consciousness or whatever can subdivide infinitely to produce individual consciousnesses like us (didn't occur to me to describe it as a fractal but that's exactly what it is, with the whole contained within the part). We were part of it before we were born and willl be after we die (not sure on that one - have you ever had a 'bad' k-hole ek?)

So yeah, death is a permanent dissociative experience! I'm looking forward to it %)
 
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cops4rizzle said:
Dedbeet have you tried a dissociative? I like your philosophy but they might surprise ya :)
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Not really... I'm not much of a fan of psychedelics/dissociatives.

P.S. what you're seeing as my philosophy, isn't a philosophy -- it's a perspective on reality, expressed as philosophy.
 
Laika said:
I guess it depends on the direction in which I'm looking at it. Goes both ways.
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It's not actually possible to look at it from the outside, coming in. That's why it's an illusion. Moreover, no one actually can. You can't be outside yourself, looking in.
 
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