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Evad said:
which generis are they the stars? (just an s on the back and quite big for yellows) I often find I think I'm a lot more coherent on benzos than I am to outside observers. Blues also never knock me out really, they make it possible to sleep easily if I lie down and try to but can stay awake (and wobbly/lairy) after quite a few.
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Nah just yellow generics,

night before, took 20mg was relaxed as hell, good sleep etc, next night i need to take shit loads, either dodgy pills or my tolerance really is fucked.

Id even say 20mg felt like 30mg roche the night before, just the next night i needed so much more.

Oh well they were cheap :)

Just gotta be careful how often i eat them, i find myself popping them like candy :p
 
Yeah, I popped them like candy for months after a terrible Xmas break-up: now facing the wages of sin, in the form of a taper. Jumped down from 40mgs diaz a day to 25...day three and I've felt better.

Do NOT use these fuckers daily. It's like a quick trip to what your body might otherwise only experience after years of chronic alcoholism. Don't know how the fuck I'm going to face work tomorrow....hoping to stabilise at this dose after a few days, then drop in weekly 2.5 mg increments till clean...

Benzos, more than any other substance, are deceptively nasty.
 
+1 on not using them daily, as soon as you have done a few days your heading into sketchy territory, use only when needed and getting to sleep if you have insomnia is not a good enough reason to take them every night

also don't believe people who say you need to be on them for years to get a physical dependence, for me it was 4/5 months of heavy use and when I stopped without tapering properly I ended up with those severe seizures, have since found out you can be on them a couple of weeks and then seizure coming off em 8)
 
tekkeN said:
+1 on not using them daily, as soon as you have done a few days your heading into sketchy territory, use only when needed and getting to sleep if you have insomnia is not a good enough reason to take them every night

also don't believe people who say you need to be on them for years to get a physical dependence, for me it was 4/5 months of heavy use and when I stopped without tapering properly I ended up with those severe seizures, have since found out you can be on them a couple of weeks and then seizure coming off em 8)
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...yeah, agreed - wish to fuck I'd never got myself into this mess: I've withdrawn from opiates before, (morph/fent/oxy/hydro combinations), and it's a walk in the park compared to benzo withdrawal. A 15-mg drop took 3 days to stabilise...definitely going slow, the rest of the way down. Looking into treatment options, but my first experience - local GPs clinic - wasn't helpful at all.

There's a guide to tapering at benzo.org.uk that seems pretty authoritative. Whereas bluelighters who say 'it''s no big deal to halve your dose after months of daily use' (I've read that on here) are simply wrong: metabolisms and intensity of withdrawal effects differ radically from person to person. Sorry to hear about your experience, Tekken - sounds like a nightmare.
 
Are these legitimate diazepam

I buy street valium when i can't get access to the real deal, i used to buy ww v's and they were street ones, but my mate says she can sell me some that are real but are ww's prescribed?
 
think it was worse because I frequently binged on them, just necking loads of temaz and diaz and whatever else (liquid stuff like clonazepam) y'know just popping them like candy till I woke up somewhere with no memory and then doing it again, and went from doing that quite a lot lot to doing nothing in a few days, seizures were shite, hospital was shite, all my muscles hurt and I just wanted them to knock me out, but it was the couple of weeks after that were the worse.. really depressed, couldn't sleep, couldn't concentrate at all, felt like I had brain damage, everything slowly feeling real again but 'real' being such an alien concept after months on tranqs it was all too much.. probably why I did brown quite a bit, those days were easy :\

but anyone going through a similar thing, don't worry! feel like my old self again and this is perhaps 6 weeks maybe a bit more since I was in hospital? would not wish those withdrawals on anyone but they do end eventually, just take it day by day, even my concentration is starting to come back :)
 
ww's are good .but the fake ones are fatter than normal and very dangerous folk have died taking em.
 
I get hooked after 3 days.
My ex's grandad Horace was 80 odd yrs old he'd been on moggies for 50 yrs or so daily,he got a new dr a very young dr ,eager to follow guidelines he took Horace off the moggies rather quick like 2 months .Horace lived another week n half mainly in bed n not eating, n died. Blatently the detox at that age killed him.
I'm doing a detox of 2 m a week this time its been a yr ,but I have decided I'm gonna come off em when I wont and am ready, I suffer bad anxiety,I have sent thousands away for the future. Cos I been to 9 rehabs and opiate detoxs r walks in the park to what a benzo detox is.I done a 16 wk detox at Barley Wood 80m valium, 80m meth n 25 m moggies.I came off everything but the night I had my last moggie ,I abscondded to Bristol scored gear n benzo's.I was evicted the next day.
My mum is on lofepramine which works like valium is it tricledine or summit,her dad was on em all his life, he killed himself from not taking his meds.There is a pattern.
N I REFUSE TO BE A EDICT BY THE GOVMENT where addicts must come off.
Drug agencies who work at dr surgeries get cash bonuses if they detox a person ,they get more cash if they do it in6 months a bit less in 12 months and less within 18months which by then they must be off valium and methadone.BOLLOX
 
not read all the posts but my valium from my pharm are allways" ww's"on script(are 2mg though), had the blues on the street with this as well,they seemed ok. did get told when i bough 50 10mg for £25 that they were for vets use ( i did end up pissing in public up lamp posts though)
 
ollieideal said:
I get hooked after 3 days.
My ex's grandad Horace was 80 odd yrs old he'd been on moggies for 50 yrs or so daily,he got a new dr a very young dr ,eager to follow guidelines he took Horace off the moggies rather quick like 2 months .Horace lived another week n half mainly in bed n not eating, n died. Blatently the detox at that age killed him.
I'm doing a detox of 2 m a week this time its been a yr ,but I have decided I'm gonna come off em when I wont and am ready, I suffer bad anxiety,I have sent thousands away for the future. Cos I been to 9 rehabs and opiate detoxs r walks in the park to what a benzo detox is.I done a 16 wk detox at Barley Wood 80m valium, 80m meth n 25 m moggies.I came off everything but the night I had my last moggie ,I abscondded to Bristol scored gear n benzo's.I was evicted the next day.
My mum is on lofepramine which works like valium is it tricledine or summit,her dad was on em all his life, he killed himself from not taking his meds.There is a pattern.
N I REFUSE TO BE A EDICT BY THE GOVMENT where addicts must come off.
Drug agencies who work at dr surgeries get cash bonuses if they detox a person ,they get more cash if they do it in6 months a bit less in 12 months and less within 18months which by then they must be off valium and methadone.BOLLOX
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Cash bonuses fukin ell thats outrageous..
I'm on 22mg diaz n 22.5nitraz a day weekly pick up n thats come down from 40mg diaz n 25 nitraz over te last 18month , my doc is safe he lets me reduce on my own terms, but i do worry that he may retire cos he's loaded n doesn't need 2 practise abymore. N them some young buck like you mentioned would take his place n i'd be fuked.
 
Tapering on my own this time, after a few fucked up attempted cold turkeys.. Went to my dr, for advice, who knows all my history and has scripted me a taper before a few years ago, but i said not to as there would be no point if i'm serious in getting off em, as theres piles around me locally, i just wanted advice.
Drawn up a taper plan and i'm sticking to it.

Gonna do it properly and stick to it, started a few days ago, 50mg/day which was less than reccomended to start off on but has me just about feeling human, no point dragging it out longer than i reckon i can do it in. Reducing 5mg every 5/6 days, feeling a bit unfomfortable and sleep aint great but its liveable :). Thank god i found a bag of diaz i'd forgotton about though, as i thought id have to do it on etizolam and they dont seem to work at all for tapering, or do much for sleep.

Anyways good luck to all those quitting and tapering! Can't believe i've got myself into this position for what feels like the hundreth time. 200mg/10mg etizolam did nothing to ease a mandy comedown last week, which was (one) of the things that made me realize its time to fix up.

One question though, does anyone know if promethazine would be okay and would work to take once in a while for a decent nights sleep (every week or 2 just for a break from fucking insomnia)? Got a few left over that i got as an antihistamine but i've heard its good for sleep.
 
Promethazine works pretty well for me sleep-wise.

Good luck with the taper - sounds like it'll be rough but it's a step in the right direction.
 
You can try hydroxyzine (prescribed by your doctor), great for benzo tapering.
 
good luck Kronos! the NHS don't seem to be too keen on giving out scripts at the moment, I didn't even get one after being hospitalized twice in a day, the clinical director of the LAU just recommended to my doctor I keep buying them off the street :\
 
" the clinical director of the LAU just recommended to my doctor I keep buying them off the street "

Thats disgusting the doctor COULD ARRANGE A WEEKLY PICKUP BLISTER PACK FOR YOUR BENZO REDUCTION which im currently on, so you dont have too many at once, telling /forcing you to buy of shady benzo dealers is all to common but disgusting behavior by u.k. GP's and psychiatrists these days
 
yeah I wasn't pleased, especially as I was skint so had to borrow money to buy more street temaz and diaz just to make sure I didn't seizure again.. I'm a student so have a doctor at the student medical practice, he's a good doc but had never dealt with a drug w/d only alcohol, he wanted to give me a script but wasn't sure if he shoud, so called the addiction unit and they said no tell him to go buy what he got himself hooked on, street tranqs with inconsistent dosages
 
Thats terrible tek, can't believe the addiction unit said that! Fucking doctors hey! How's is your break from the drugs going mate? I've read some of your posts and it sounds like your doing well!:)
 
Hello ppl!

I suffer from panic desorder and i sumtimes need to use diazepam for that. Now im traveling around and lost my pills.

I have access to subutex 8mg. How does subutex work/effect u? Ive never tried it and i would like to know if i can use it if i get a panic attack? I know the risks in getting addicted to that stuff, but its not a problem i cannot handle.

So if i get a panic attack will subutex work for it? If ill take half of the 8mg pill so i wouldnt get dozed off?

Any help u guys can offer is welcome.
 
Subutex will make you feel better, there's no doubt about that. It's not the best option for anxiety but at a push it's something.

Do you have any opioid experience at all? I'd definitely go with a quarter of a pill maximum if you don't. Even that might affect you a bit more than you bargained for. Buprenorphine's not as sedating as a lot of other opioids, but I'd start smaller (quarter of a pill) and see what happens.

Do you have a physical dependence on diazepam? It won't stop benzo withdrawal, unfortunately.
 
with no opiate tolerance 2mg subutex would have you puking, if you've little to no experience then i'd start with 1mg at the most!
It will help with anxiety and relax you, not as well or in the same way as diaz but it should help. Wont do much for sleep though.
 
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