Benzo Discussion

[thada]

Do you have any opioid experience at all?

No i dont.

I'd definitely go with a quarter of a pill maximum if you don't. Even that might affect you a bit more than you bargained for. Buprenorphine's not as sedating as a lot of other opioids, but I'd start smaller (quarter of a pill) and see what happens.

Ok. How long does it take to effect?

Do you have a physical dependence on diazepam?

No i dont, but now that ive noticed ive lost my pills i really feel like im gonna have panicattack any second.


Thank you for the answer and other opinions are welcome also.

 

[Myshkin]

with no opiate tolerance 2mg subutex would have you puking, if you've little to no experience then i'd start with 1mg at the most!

Puking? Possibly. Feeling good though. It stays in your system for a long time too.

Starting small is always advisable, but I still think 2mg isn't too excessive - that's the dose people using it for depression in the US usually take. Go for the 1mg if you're feeling cautious or if you're keen on chopping up pills into tiny pieces.

You'll feel something pretty quickly if you take it sublingually.

 

[tekkeN]

Thats terrible tek, can't believe the addiction unit said that! Fucking doctors hey! How's is your break from the drugs going mate? I've read some of your posts and it sounds like your doing well!

cheers! doing fine here in Portugal can't get anything apart from hash, well could get some cocaine but got no money :D its not hard here but when i get back to leeds my loan gets in and can see myself havin another go on gear, stupid gettin into that

don't think i'll ever get a benzo problem again though, no chance i'm ever doin em more than 1 day now, and only then when i actually need to

as for bupe, never really felt it most I did was I think 4mg under the tongue, but it was when i had a bit of an opiate tolerance so might be why it didn't do much

 

[Mugz]

I'm in the middle of my taper down from diazepam, has been a long road so far, from 50mg a day down to 8mg a day. Saw the doctor today and we decided that given my circumstances I should stay on 8mg for another few weeks then try and drop down to 7 then 6.

I am fighting the temptation to just order a load of benzos and go back to my old ways, but I know that it would be a waste of all that I have achieved so far and want to achieve. I think it was just because last week I received 5 midazolam 15mg pills and 5 alprazolam 1mg pills and went through them all in about 4 days.

Need to stay on this taper and get off them totally within the next 3 or 4 months, will improve my life a whole lot. Although has been about 7 years on and off them, mostly on so I will definitely struggle.

edit- I think it does depend on your gp as to whether or not they will give you benzos, my old one down south was very lax and ended up prescribing me 7.5mg lorazepam a day from 1mg as needed without ever seeing me for an appointment in between.

My current doctor is only doing this taper because I brought in all my illegal benzos to the pharmacy at the surger to prove that I wanted to get off them, then they gave me a prescription, but I have to go see the GP every two weeks, and most of the time only get 1 week prescriptions and have to go and pick up the repeat every week.

 

[Kronos]

I really feel like necking a handful and i havnt even got a fucking excuse for myself, and i'm only on day 3 , maybe i should've started on a higher dose but i've got to the point where no matter how high i go it wont be enough i think. /rage at myself, ima watch some Malcolm in the middle and try sleep. Exhausted, but ofc i wont be able to. Okay enough bitching i promise

I'm doing for my taper at the minute, 20mg morning 10mg during the day and 20mg at evening/night, exact timing depending on circumstances but in this pattern. Is there a better way to do this in anyones opinion?
Is it worth juggling round the dose timing and see if it helps, after mid-afternoon i start feeling real uncomfortable, i had my evening dose an hour ago but dont feel much better at all.
Or shall i just stick with what iv started and carry on.

I must be lucky. i've had my gp for years and she's also the gp for a drug clinic, gives sound advice, gets the reality of situations etc. Sounds like one of a kind.

 

[Mugz]

your dosing arrangement seems pretty good at the moment, although I would maybe consider only taking 10mg in the morning and then 10mg twice more during the day as needed rather.

 

[debaser]

Can't you get some liquid Valium drops for the end of your taper? When you get to 5mg a day? They're very effective for tapering.

 

[Mugz]

I think when I get down to 5mg a day I will ask about that as an option, and I know that the last few mg can be the hardest, but that is mainly psychological in my opinion. My doctor is trying to sort out CBT for me to help me at the end of my taper. I hope to just drop 1mg every fortnight or so until I am off.

 

[effie]

CBT is awesome

Definitely a good tool for situations like this, I imagine.. encourages willpower and gives you the techniques you need to get past it.. it's ace that your GP is offering it to you

 

[debaser]

I think when I get down to 5mg a day I will ask about that as an option, and I know that the last few mg can be the hardest, but that is mainly psychological in my opinion. My doctor is trying to sort out CBT for me to help me at the end of my taper. I hope to just drop 1mg every fortnight or so until I am off.

3 drops equal 1mg, so you can really stretch your taper relatively easily.

 

[brimz]

Most people in my city thaty are on bezo scripts have to get em daily pick up!
Its the local Treatment agencys policy to prevent em sellinem n the like .
Fortunatley i get mine direct from my GP.

 

[demon cleaner]

Atarax is very good too, I recommend. It's much better than valium for sleeping after a big nite. And way less addictive (GP advice).

 

[bignbrown]

People that have withdrawn from benzos before (medical tapers), have you found you're able to go back to responsible use for comedowns/sleep etc?

Withdrawals seem to come back very fast, so im trying to avoid them, but they are a must with opiates :D (low dose just to add to the sedation, high dose is just trouble).

 

[brimz]

Can't you get some liquid Valium drops for the end of your taper? When you get to 5mg a day? They're very effective for tapering.

Liquid diaz comes in 2 strengths 5mg in 5 ml which is rare i've only had ityw hen i was in hospital but they messed up nlet me take 300ml home with me .
The stuff on pom is 2mg in 5ml and is what is used right at the end ofa taper but most docs will give u 2mg tabs which can be split in half cos the liquid costs the nhs about 100% more .

 

[Kronos]

People that have withdrawn from benzos before (medical tapers), have you found you're able to go back to responsible use for comedowns/sleep etc?

Withdrawals seem to come back very fast, so im trying to avoid them, but they are a must with opiates :D (low dose just to add to the sedation, high dose is just trouble).

Yeah i was able to for a few months, then they got the better of me.. x1000. Its not a game personally you can mess around recreationally with if you've got that kind of addictive personality. Some can take it or leave it, others cant. (not to say its impossible by any means, just really really easy to go back to addiction which aint too pleasant)

 

[chitownbrown]

fuck benzos. they arent euphoric to me, they just make me utterly stupid and disoriented. i hate downers. woot for mdma and psychedllics. (and mj of course.) i can get xanax 2mg for 3 bucks a pop though its cheap here around chicago. kids i know take seriously 4-10 mg depending on how far gone they are. i think benzos turn ppl in to zombie like retards that do a bunch of stupid shit cause theyre always fucked up.

 

[Myshkin]

^ Thank you for that insightful and informative contribution to EADD's benzo discussion thread. 8)

 

[Jabberwocky]

sometimes 'zombie like retard' is the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[ollieideal]

YEAH WOOT 4 MDMA. Wrong board or site surely. We r talking bout Benzo and how they come n go effect, affect oneself ,family n others around a benzo user. In the UK there is a massive ,massive problem with them the main massive problem for me is being cut off my benzo script due to new g'ment.
So I stock up on benzos of mass destruction n send them well away from me for future emergencies. The last few yrs has seen a gigantic upshot in smuggled and internet bought Valium, along with GBL it's no wander folk want n need em.
I personally suffer panic attacks and anxiety,it's generic my mum takes a form of them both Grandfathers took Benzo's, b4 one died due to not taking em himself, he slit his own wrists n another died after being on moggies for 40-60yrs a new young buck of a family DR decided it best to take Horace off moggies very very quick like a month or so n he took his last pill went about his daily routine that'd been the same since retirement, after the last pill he took to bed ,not eating ,n died within a month of a loony young DR taking away the moggies.
So apparently the need 4 benzo based drugs in my family is not my "drug seeking " nature or behaviour they make me function,last detox i under took I'd been on 30mg a day for about3-5 yrs that time, within a week I was a recluse ,phone off,developed an eating disorder n had many fits n felt beyond mad, but I was determined to do it out of guilt for reasons I want go in2. I was off benzos for a yr n then I started dabbling in street ones again n joy of joys I ate, I called people,I felt"normal" 6 months later I moved to a more understanding surgery and got on 30m daily now on 12m and tapering.I seriously would love to live my life with out them and will try this taper and follow it properly I may succeed but having loads stashed is an anxiety lifter any way.

 

[Where Wolf?]

6 days into a taper, having started with a jump from 40mgs + diaz or equivalent (xanax, mostly) down to 25. Stupidly drank two bottles of wine last night, and the mid-afternoon anxiety's been worse than usual. 100mgs of diphenhydramine and a couple of those new 'Bob Marley' Herbal relaxation drinks helped a little. Now just got to last an hour till my afternoon dose...

I know, I know, heavy drinking doesn't help with a taper...

Not sure, given the initial 15mg jump down, if I should drop another 2.5 mgs this Friday - a week on from starting the taper - or stay on this dose another week. It's been virtually impossible to work - or do anything but lie around feeling anxious and depressed - and I need to start functioning again. Anyone have any suggestions? Should I go down to 22.5 one week in, or let my brain fully adjust to the new, low dose after 2 weeks at 25? The taper schedules (medical models) say either's okay...and it was a big drop (more than a third of my dose) to begin with.