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Awesometastic

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Hi Ladies and Gentleman, this is my first post on Bluelight :)

I have some questions about ecstasy and mdma. I realize that these drugs have different effects for everyone in terms of recovery and experience, but I hope to get gain some insight.

I rolled for my first time in february, I was drinking a fair amount (learned later that this was a big no no) and drank a lot of water throughout the night. I took 1 pill of mdma it was truly amazing and lasted approx 3 hours.

FAST forward to April 3, I went out with 6 friends (all their first time) and my second experience. I took 2 caps at the start of the night, which lasted a couple hours and then I took another one around midnight and 1 more at 2 am. In total I took 4 caps that night. I didn't drink any alcohol and the experience was truly amazing. I regretted taking the additional 2 caps because correct me if im wrong, once serotonin has been released from the receptor sites, taking additional doses will have no effect because serotonin has been largely release already?

As far as the next couple days after, other than a slight headache on day 1 I felt completely fine. I took 5htp after both occasions, how much does this actually help and for how long should I be taking 5htp?

Side note; I smoked weed at the very end of the night on the 2nd occasion (when i felt completely down) and all of a sudden I was insanely "high" again, but not like high from weed, but similar to the high on mdma??? (seriously) is this ok to do in the future?

Final question; I have 2 caps left and there is a special occasion coming up in a couple weeks, in which two friends are leaving the country and it's our last night out indefinitely. Is it safe to roll (without permanent damage) for this occasion if I give myself a long break afterwards?? by long break I mean 6-8 months. I would like to make this a 2-3x a year drug for me.

I really appreciate the help.
Can't believe I was so paranoid to try it until my mid 20's. lol

-thx again
 
Welcome to bluelight. I think MDMA is a drug best enjoyed to it's fullest extent when you're mature enough to handle it- so don't feel bad about waiting until your mid 20's.

There are many theories on re-dosing and how to space it and dose it properly, but I'm not aware of any (good) clinical studies that have actually broken this down by examining chemical effects on the brain. In general, I've found that attempting to re-dose beyond hour 6 (maximum) is a waste of MDMA, whether you start big or small. You'll get a lot of advice and conflicting opinions from others- this is merely my own conclusion from personal experience.

Cannabis tends to make other drugs feels potentiated, but many people experience a noticeable "surge" or "re-roll" if they use weed after (edibles tend to work the best imo). I don't know the science behind this, because I'm not extremely schooled on THC.

5-htp is beneficial after MDMA use- prior to it, piracetam is an excellent neuroprotectant that makes the MDMA experience more intense and enjoyable, but it also eliminates many of the unwanted effects for the days after. I find that a standard dose of 5-htp the morning after is sufficient, but you can take it for the next 3-4 days if you'd like.

Enjoy your time with your friends- spacing is important (minimum 30 days) but making a special exception to that rule (1 time a year in your case) is unlikely to cause you a worse hangover or longer recovery period than normal. In general, you should be fine- that said there are no guarantees with MDMA even if you do space it properly that you won't experience a "back end".
 
Awesometastic said:
I regretted taking the additional 2 caps because correct me if im wrong, once serotonin has been released from the receptor sites, taking additional doses will have no effect because serotonin has been largely release already?
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Welcome to BL! As Bsiren said:
Bsiren said:
In general, I've found that attempting to re-dose beyond hour 6 (maximum) is a waste of MDMA, whether you start big or small. You'll get a lot of advice and conflicting opinions from others- this is merely my own conclusion from personal experience.
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QFT

Awesometastic said:
As far as the next couple days after, other than a slight headache on day 1 I felt completely fine. I took 5htp after both occasions, how much does this actually help and for how long should I be taking 5htp?
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Bsiren said:
5-htp is beneficial after MDMA use- prior to it, piracetam is an excellent neuroprotectant that makes the MDMA experience more intense and enjoyable, but it also eliminates many of the unwanted effects for the days after. I find that a standard dose of 5-htp the morning after is sufficient, but you can take it for the next 3-4 days if you'd like.
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QFT :)
Awesometastic said:
Side note; I smoked weed at the very end of the night on the 2nd occasion (when i felt completely down) and all of a sudden I was insanely "high" again, but not like high from weed, but similar to the high on mdma??? (seriously) is this ok to do in the future?
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Bsiren said:
Cannabis tends to make other drugs feels potentiated, but many people experience a noticeable "surge" or "re-roll" if they use weed after (edibles tend to work the best imo). I don't know the science behind this, because I'm not extremely schooled on THC.
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MDMA levels in the blood stream actually remain very high for 24 hours. The only reason we have to comedown only after a few hours is because acute tolerance is developed. The MDMA levels circulating through the body are still very high the next day.

Combine that with the potentiating effect of cannabis, and it makes perfect sense that when acute tolerance is developed, cannabis can lower it for awhile.

Awesometastic said:
Final question; I have 2 caps left and there is a special occasion coming up in a couple weeks, in which two friends are leaving the country and it's our last night out indefinitely. Is it safe to roll (without permanent damage) for this occasion if I give myself a long break afterwards?? by long break I mean 6-8 months. I would like to make this a 2-3x a year drug for me.
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You'll be fine as long as you take a break afterwards and don't make it a habit rolling every other weekend, etc.
 
Splinter's Thoughts (With MasterSplinter)

Many people around here on Bluelight see me as somehwhat of a Legend for my higher than normal level of bean munchin experience.

Yes I have rolled a many.

And let me tell you I have "rolled" for 3 days straight and wasn't really even in that rough shape immediately after...Its had been 36~48hrs and after chomiping down 15+ Pokeballs in the span of that time I was pretty happy.

This event was probably the height of my abuse...from there it all went down hillish... I stopped getting as high from your regular 2-3 pill dose...I started gettin paranoid and anxious all the time...I started seein shadow people coming after me no joke.

But I kept rollin every 2 weeks....sometimes multiple days in a row for another 6 months until eventually I realized I was gettin high anymore.

Now mind you I had been feelin some fucked up side effects due to my championship level of ecstasy consumption, but the WORST was yet to come.

For nearly 4 or 5 months after my binge, I got terrible mood swings, despair, loss of interest in the things I once loved, and a cognitive level as small as a 4 year old. I could barely even read a good book for even.

So now Ive reduced my intake to once a month(Goin on 2 months) and I feel happy and refreshed!

Life is as interesting as it ever should have been before it wasnt in the first place when I hadnt even eatin what later was what some wood consider good ecstasy.

Now the true pleasure comes in when I grab a six pack of ice cold bud light and a fresh bag of herb from my local dispenserie.

Moral of the story is that you dont wanna be slippin into the habit of eaten "just one more bean"

-Splinter
 
I agree with all statements made. IMO weed always makes a roll better, helps kick it in to start, may make you re-roll for a while, and if you wait till you're completely down, a nice bowl helps you eat and go to sleep. good is always better than stress too.
 
MasterSplinter said:
Many people around here on Bluelight see me as somehwhat of a Legend for my higher than normal level of bean munchin experience.

Yes I have rolled a many.

And let me tell you I have "rolled" for 3 days straight and wasn't really even in that rough shape immediately after...Its had been 36~48hrs and after chomiping down 15+ Pokeballs in the span of that time I was pretty happy.

This event was probably the height of my abuse...from there it all went down hillish... I stopped getting as high from your regular 2-3 pill dose...I started gettin paranoid and anxious all the time...I started seein shadow people coming after me no joke.

But I kept rollin every 2 weeks....sometimes multiple days in a row for another 6 months until eventually I realized I was gettin high anymore.

Now mind you I had been feelin some fucked up side effects due to my championship level of ecstasy consumption, but the WORST was yet to come.

For nearly 4 or 5 months after my binge, I got terrible mood swings, despair, loss of interest in the things I once loved, and a cognitive level as small as a 4 year old. I could barely even read a good book for even.

So now Ive reduced my intake to once a month(Goin on 2 months) and I feel happy and refreshed!

Life is as interesting as it ever should have been before it wasnt in the first place when I hadnt even eatin what later was what some wood consider good ecstasy.

Now the true pleasure comes in when I grab a six pack of ice cold bud light and a fresh bag of herb from my local dispenserie.

Moral of the story is that you dont wanna be slippin into the habit of eaten "just one more bean"

-Splinter
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damn you really are an egotistical guy. come down off your high horse man your bragging about shit you shouldnt be bragging about. if you really think your a "legend" your wrong on so many levels man. oh and btw, plenty of people have taken way more beans that you, myself included. so the next time you wanna dick size, do yourself a favor and spare yourself the embarrassment. this site isnt for seeing who ate the most rolls and who had the craziest mdma history, its about helping people not make the same mistakes so many of us have. sure you told the guy not to take them every weekend (finally, in your last sentence) but at least half of all of your posts you have to "talk yourself up". no one cares how many beans you ate man just leave it alone god damn.
 
MasterSplinter said:
Agreed. Lets ignore the etard.
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8)

Anyway, I have learned the hard way to respect Ecstacy as well. I took 5-htp for about 2-4 days after a roll, 3x a day 100mgs. It caused some slight gastric-intestinal discomfort.

I see no problems in rolling with your friends.
 
Thanks everyone, some great and informative posts and one pretty scary story as well.

I hope I'm not "chasing the dragon" so to speak, its not 100% but I think I'll roll for the upcoming date I mentioned.

I'll be taking a hiatus from the ecstasy of this drug (pun intended) for several months afterwards. It's really weird but every time I talk about my experience with someone new or just remember the feelings or the night, I swear I feel something in my mind and I get all excited in the conversation. Also, I recall when we were talking at the end of the 2nd night we would forget what the conversation was about. I'm guessing due to short term memory dysfunction.

Be safe everyone, happy rolling *insert giant smile* (emoticons don't quite do it lol)
 
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if you didnt make the mistake of taking those 2 caps afterwards, you couldve gotten high 2-3 more times. 2 pills 3 times or 3 pills 2 times. you booted your tolerance with those last 2 and did extra damage. this experience may not be as good but you will probably still get high. dont make the mistake in the future of taking your stuff incorrectly.
 
I won't sway you with my opinion except with the following:

Do yourself a true favor and absolutely take a break. MDMA can be enjoyed for a very long time if you respect it and yourself.

Signed - tr14d - Respectful User: 1999-2005
2005-2011? Well, I moved for work. ...And the area where I'm presently living, it doesn't exist! :(
 
zyNc973 said:
if you didnt make the mistake of taking those 2 caps afterwards, you couldve gotten high 2-3 more times. 2 pills 3 times or 3 pills 2 times. you booted your tolerance with those last 2 and did extra damage. this experience may not be as good but you will probably still get high. dont make the mistake in the future of taking your stuff incorrectly.
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completely understand that I probably increased my tolerance.

What do you mean by 2 pills 3 times or 3 pills 2 times?

Does weight have any effect on tolerance, such as when a smaller person drinks alcohol = lightweight etc..

I'm a fairly big guy, approx 200lbs.
 
tr14d said:
I won't sway you with my opinion except with the following:

Do yourself a true favor and absolutely take a break. MDMA can be enjoyed for a very long time if you respect it and yourself.

Signed - tr14d - Respectful User: 1999-2005
2005-2011? Well, I moved for work. ...And the area where I'm presently living, it doesn't exist! :(
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You're in Iowa? You gotta look man I live in Nebraska and I can find molly all the damn time.
 
Glad to hear you've cut back and feel better MS- spacing really helps with having a quality MDMA experience.
 
ElHefe said:
You're in Iowa? You gotta look man I live in Nebraska and I can find molly all the damn time.
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Then you're far better off than I! Believe me, I would drive FURTHER than NE if the opportunity presented itself. I'm sure it's in Des Moines, and $$ I've got, but I don't know anyone, and don't have to huevos to drive around and flag ppl down to ask :P

This really isnt the place to discuss this so PM me or look at my profile to talk about this more.
 
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