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buying codeine in aus?

Mr. Squiggle! said:
I'm going to actually try a cold water extraction next week.

3 x 30 packs of Panafen Plus. over 1 gram of codeine....
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If that's your first CWE then that is a very excessive amount.... and potentially dangerous if you're not spot on with your technique. What's your experience with codeine like? You know there's a theoretical cap on how much can be converted to morphine right? I know of one person only who acutally gets anything out of high doses like that. Personally any more than around 400mg just adds to the negative side effects (nausea, histamine reaction, etc) for me wihtout any additional euphoria or nod.
 
yes my stomache contents full. but i've always done cwe with food. and it has always come on with in 30-40mins. so i donno heh
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Maybe you accidentally a home-made time release?

If that's your first CWE then that is a very excessive amount.... and potentially dangerous if you're not spot on with your technique. What's your experience with codeine like? You know there's a theoretical cap on how much can be converted to morphine right? I know of one person only who acutally gets anything out of high doses like that. Personally any more than around 400mg just adds to the negative side effects (nausea, histamine reaction, etc) for me wihtout any additional euphoria or nod.
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+1, and not just because too much codeine will make you dope sick and vomit and feel like crap. The histamine release will be huge if you are making a large jump in dose with codeine, or going from another opioid to codeine. It has a much larger histamine effect then many other opioids, and it can be dangerous; especially if you have asthma or some other respiratory condition. I would definitely be using an antihistamine with that.

For me though, that dose is about half of what I need. :(
 
I've tried CWE a few times with friends, using boardshorts material or dress shirt material and we all felt nothing. We tried 100mg each and strained the substance twice.

Would it be the materials I've been using? Should I try coffee filters?

I've had Pandene Fortre's so I know what Codeiene feels like but for some reason I feel nothing whenever I CWE.

Also whenever I ask for Panadiene Extra at the chemist, they always bring up a 12/24 pack. Do they have larger packs?
 
The-Future said:
I've tried CWE a few times with friends, using boardshorts material or dress shirt material and we all felt nothing. We tried 100mg each and strained the substance twice.

Would it be the materials I've been using? Should I try coffee filters?

I've had Pandene Fortre's so I know what Codeiene feels like but for some reason I feel nothing whenever I CWE.

Also whenever I ask for Panadiene Extra at the chemist, they always bring up a 12/24 pack. Do they have larger packs?
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100mg isn't a lot of codeine, if your technique isn't very good it's possible you're losing a large chunk of that, which would explain why you aren't feeling much. What kind of procedure are you using for the CWE?

And I'm fairly sure Panadeine Extra only comes in 12/24 boxes, which makes them pretty useless if you're CWEing, as you'll get more codeine out a 40 box of chemists own or 380mg out of a box of panafen plus.
 
I've tried 180mg and had the same problem. That's why I thought I'd try with friends to see if it was just me.

I crush the pills, add small amount of water (i forget the exact amount but whatever was instructed in the CWE thread), stir, put in fridge for 10mins then strain using board shorts or dress shirt. It comes out pretty milky so I strain again and it comes out clearer. Then I consume. It tastes gross and bitter and theres always a shitload of white gunk leftover.
 
Well you should only need to strain it once, but otherwise your technique sounds solid.

So you say you've taken fortes before and gotten high? If that's the case then obviously there's something in the CWE that you're missing or doing wrong.
 
Yeah I think it's something to do with the fabric absorbing a lot of the substance. I read somewhere that boardshorts are a bad fabric to use for CWE but they never mentioned why. I'll have to buy some coffee filters and try that way.
 
Are you pre-dampening the filter? If you aren't, then yeah it's quite likely that at least some of it is getting absorbed.
 
Try using a shirt instead. And get the filter wet first as well, I run the part of the shirt I'm using under the tap before filtering as it helps the solution pass through better and limits what the material absorbs.
 
For all you codeine fiends, not quite as simple as a cwe but a great procedure f you want to make lots up at once. Pure and easy for measuring and containing. Also, when in this form a little bit more chemistry can be applied and greater results can occur. Don't know if I allowed to go into that though.

1. Extraction of codeine
Several packets of tablets, sufficient to yield about 2 g of codeine, are crushed and mixed with water. The mixture is filtered using a filter pump, Buchner funnel and side-arm flask, to remove tablet binding agents, diluents and other excipients. The aqueous filtrate is poured into a separating funnel and sodium hydroxide solution added to make the solution strongly alkaline. This is then extracted with chloroform (about 50 ml). The chloroform layer is drained off and evaporated to dryness using gentle heating (often on a domestic stove). The aqueous layer containing aspirin and paracetamol is discarded. The codeine base is recovered as a white crystalline solid.
 
^ That is interesting, I have heard of a few cases of people smoking codeine freebase although it seems to me one would probably have to smoke a decent amount to get good effects. Have you ever tried this?

The-Future, if 100mg did nothing last time I would suggest a 24 pack of chemists own which should be 240mg of codeine, that might do the trick. Don't be too disheartened as it seems most people need a handful of tries to appreciate it properly.
 
i wouldn't try smoking it, it's just good to have codeine in a powder form. It's a pretty easy step up to morphine from there too, but that's not about harm reduction so i wont go into it. With it like this though, safe and exact doses can be made
 
bobbydarren said:
I tried putting a CWE of 100ml into my arsehole. A mini enema I suppose, although 100ml might not make it out of the rectum into the colon so maybe that's not an enema. not sure.

I got it all in there, but not very impressed. It seemed to turn the codeine into slow release., so slow as to barely perceive it. Certainly not a 'high'
I say slow release even though I was barely able to perceive it because the next day I had a similar tiredness that I get from normal CWE & as such decided I may have received the full dose only so slow as not to be perceived that night.

Has anyone else put a CWE liquid mix into their arseholes and how was effects in comparision to CWE via oral route on empty stomach?
Would changing the PH of the CWE liquid make a difference to how fast it absorbs?

I think maybe because codeine depends on first pass metabolism so codeine via the rectum does not have a direct route to the liver via the 'hepatic portal system' the liver does either a poor or a slow job of converting codeine to morphine?

from wiki. on first pass

The first-pass effect is a phenomenon of drug metabolism whereby the concentration of a drug is greatly reduced before it reaches the systemic circulation. After a drug is swallowed, it is absorbed by the digestive system and enters the hepatic portal system. It is carried through the portal vein into the liver before it reaches the rest of the body.

The first pass effect can also be exploited for a beneficial effect. Some prodrugs, for example codeine (methylmorphine, inactive) are converted from an inactive form to the pharmacologically active form (morphine proper) by first pass metabolism (in this case, desmethylation)
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I've done a bit of googling since i asked that question. It seems that around 40% of a drug when absorbed by the rectum never passes through the liver, it is only the upper rectum that has a direct route to the liver. So in case of codeine, you only want absorbtion to take place in upper part of rectum and no absorption to take place in lower part. I don't think that's possible to achieve.

Partial avoidance of hepatic first-pass metabolism. The superior rectal vein, which perfuses the upper part of the rectum, passes directly into the portal circulation. The middle and inferior rectal veins perfuse the lower part of the rectum, and venous blood avoids first pass through the liver. Thus, the positioning of the dose form in the rectum will influence the bioavailability of drugs that are subjected to extensive first-pass metabolism.
 
^ According to some patents, according to real life practice apparently it's not as simple as it's made out to be and the yields aren't so great.

God damn it, no synth discussin here guys. Though I wish we could. I have so much to discuss. :(

For all you codeine fiends, not quite as simple as a cwe but a great procedure f you want to make lots up at once. Pure and easy for measuring and containing. Also, when in this form a little bit more chemistry can be applied and greater results can occur. Don't know if I allowed to go into that though.

1. Extraction of codeine
Several packets of tablets, sufficient to yield about 2 g of codeine, are crushed and mixed with water. The mixture is filtered using a filter pump, Buchner funnel and side-arm flask, to remove tablet binding agents, diluents and other excipients. The aqueous filtrate is poured into a separating funnel and sodium hydroxide solution added to make the solution strongly alkaline. This is then extracted with chloroform (about 50 ml). The chloroform layer is drained off and evaporated to dryness using gentle heating (often on a domestic stove). The aqueous layer containing aspirin and paracetamol is discarded. The codeine base is recovered as a white crystalline solid.
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I was thinking of doing a proper write up of a vacuum filtration and chloroform purification. Chloroform is easy to obtain if you know how but the concern for most would be it's purity.
 
Ok I'm doing the CWE and I'm going to use a shirt instead of boardies.

Is it necessary to put the glass of water in the fridge? Can I just let the crushed powder sit in the water for 10-20mins and then filter?
 
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