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RCs Putting MDPV in solution?

SmokeaJoint

SmokeaJoint

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Hello Bluelight.

I'm one of the newer members here, joined yesterday. I've had so many research chemical oriented questions, as I remember them I will post.=D SWIM is applicable here, yes?

Well, my most pressing question goes as follows:
(Note: I haven't read the forum guidelines yet, so I'm using common sense with this post. I'll look at them after I'm done here and edit as needed. Thanks.)

SWIM has roughly 300 mg of an MDPV product. He has the "Ivory Wave" bath salt edition, so SWIMs not sure how pure the chemical is or what else is in there. Any further info RE Ivory Wave will be very appreciated by SWIM. We're also assuming its a HCl salt instead of a freebase, but once again no way to verify it that we know of.
Now, 300 mg of some MDPV, roughly. I've been reading around and found that it rapidly degrades in water. With stimulants, SWIM likes to mix them with saline solution and use the spray to dose. Its easier on his nose (which has been previously wrecked by cocaine) and the repetitive motion feels better than eating it.
What SWIM and I would like to know is, about how fast is "rapid degradation" with this chem? If/when SWIM puts it into solution, take into account that it'll be stored at temps never exceeding 60F and the spray bottle is opaque so not alot of light. Has anyone ever successfully ingested MDPV in this manner? It worked fine for 4-MMC but they're very obviously different chemicals with different properties.

Now, if some wise, scientific soul could please educate SWIM and I on exactly how and why this moisture driven degrading process happens? I'm familiar with the sciences in a wide range of disciplines, so feel free to use all the relevant vernacular to describe the process.

Whew, this is longer than I thought it would be. Apologies, I'm getting close to done.
I've taken small amounts of 4-MMC and bkMDMA and mixed them with enough 99% isopropyl alcohol to get it into solution. For some reason, the effects of insuflating it after the alcohol boiled off were markedly more potent at the same dosage. I've been itching to try with the MDPV, but the degrading in water has stayed my hand with caution.
Also, the main reason I think the other RCs are more effective after that process is because while the alcohol is evaporating, the RC becomes a finer powder and is thusly absorbed quicker and more efficiently. The MDPV is already very fine and it hasn't absorbed much moisture from the air, but there's a slim chance that it wasn't a change in particle size and that the chemical was altered in some way or another. Either way, SWIM and I are itching to find out but he's loathe to waste a good stimulant, even just a bump for science.

Thanks in advance for any and all information. If I've broken any rules in my post, let me know and I will absolutely edit the post(s).

One Love<3
 
Oxidation of the pyrrolidine ring or deamination. Either way it degrades pretty fast if your water isn't spotlessly clean.

Ivory wave has God knows what in it, just throw it out and buy some real PV...

oh also READ THE FORUM GUIDELINES BEFORE YOU POST
 
sekio said:
Oxidation of the pyrrolidine ring or deamination. Either way it degrades pretty fast if your water isn't spotlessly clean.

Ivory wave has God knows what in it, just throw it out and buy some real PV...

oh also READ THE FORUM GUIDELINES BEFORE YOU POST
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Damn too bad me n SWIM got rid of the RO machine. Its just tap water and NaCl. But we have very decent water quality here...?

The reason SWIM went with Ivory Wave is twofold. First, it was a free sample. And second, SWIM was only experimenting with the chemical. He isn't planning on being a regular user as he vastly prefers 4-MMC or regular cocaine.

I can't seem to find the Guidelines. Main page, maybe? :?

EDIT: Never mind. Found the Guidelines on Wiki. Reading them now.
 
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Store it dry, gottcha.

So, I suppose SWIM should only mix a solution of PV and water directly prior to dosing? If I could get a tentative timeline on how quickly MDPV degrades, SWIM and myself would be eternally grateful. I'm supposing it comes inna HCl salt form if that makes any difference. SWIM won't freebase it unless he decided to smoke some ala meth. BUT that seems a bit reckless and stupid no offense.

Knowledge is power as they say, so any interesting, relevant tips and tidbits will be appreciated!
 
sekio said:
Store it dry and make up saline as needed. There really isn't any other way around this problem.
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I've read this a lot over the last week, that MDPV breaks down quickly in solution. I might have accidently found a way around this problem.

4 weeks ago, I tried MDPV for the first time. I don't have a mg scale, only one that measures in increments of 0.01 g. Since I couldn't accurately measure 5 mg, I measured out 100 mg with the scale, added this to 5 mL of bacteriostatic water, dissolved, filtered, and put the solution into a sealed sterile vial. This was before I had read that it's not stable in solution, so I figured this would last a while.

That night I injected (IM) 5 mg, followed by 5 mg about 20 minutes later. I liked it; it was pleasant but not too strong. I have a tolerance to amphetamines, so I guess that's why it wasn't as strong as some report. I decided not to do any more that night. I liked it, but it wasn't as good as dexedrine (which I did the rest of the night).

The vial with the bacteriostatic water solution was kept in a dark closet at room temperature for the last 4 weeks. Tonight it appears the same (clear, not brownish like some people say what happens after a few hours in water). About 30 minutes ago I injected (IM) a 10 mg dose, and I'm pleased to report that it feels like the exact same potency as last month. I did another 10 mg IM shot 10 minutes later, and now I'm feeling nice. Very nice. Not quite as nice as dexedrine, though, so I think I'll wait for the euphoria to wear off (a few hours?) and then switch to dexedrine for the remainder of the evening.

Has anyone else stored MDPV in solution successfully like this? I'm wondering if storing the bacteriostatic solution in a sealed vial, not exposed to air, is what prevented the MDPV from degrading over time.
 
SmokeaJoint said:
Now, 300 mg of some MDPV, roughly. I've been reading around and found that it rapidly degrades in water. With stimulants, SWIM likes to mix them with saline solution and use the spray to dose. Its easier on his nose (which has been previously wrecked by cocaine) and the repetitive motion feels better than eating it.
What SWIM and I would like to know is, about how fast is "rapid degradation" with this chem? If/when SWIM puts it into solution, take into account that it'll be stored at temps never exceeding 60F and the spray bottle is opaque so not alot of light. Has anyone ever successfully ingested MDPV in this manner? It worked fine for 4-MMC but they're very obviously different chemicals with different properties.
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I used to use cocaine like this too. It's easier on the nose, but I still did plenty of damage with 24+ hour coke binges. I haven't done it in 3 years for that reason.

If my way is a reliable way of preserving the MDPV in solution, you could dissolve your 300 mg in bacteriostatic water and inject into a sealed sterile vial. If you don't want to inject yourself, you could then measure out the appropriate volume for your planned amount for the evening and put it in your spray bottle. Use this as your nose spray, and leave the rest of your stash in the vial. I haven't actually tried this, so I don't know if the small amount of benzyl alcohol in solution will burn when snorted.
 
Needles scare me. I just don't think I could ever IV. Get someone else to hold the needle, maybe.

To be honest, although the MDPV in solution worked, it did lose effect after a few hours. This may be because the saline was kept in my pocket when not in use, and I didn't use bacteriostatic water. As far as I could tell, it was effective for about 4-5 hours, and then it rapidly dropped off. I got through about half of the solution before it stopped working.

MDPV, sorry but I won't be coming back to you. Not my type I guess. Mephedrone, hollar at me!
 
Well I had recently stumbled upon "Blue Magic" Bath salts, God knows what's in this shit. I found that making a solution with Vegetable Glycerine and vaping it in an Ecig works wonders. The shit hopefully should last for quite some time.
 
SmokeaJoint said:
Store it dry, gottcha.
If I could get a tentative timeline on how quickly MDPV degrades, SWIM and myself would be eternally grateful. I'm supposing it comes inna HCl salt form if that makes any difference. SWIM won't freebase it unless he decided to smoke some ala meth. BUT that seems a bit reckless and stupid no offense.

Knowledge is power as they say, so any interesting, relevant tips and tidbits will be appreciated!
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Instantly, if not quicker!!! I don't know what these few people are talking about that say it takes a few weeks. Maybe it's because they're sealing it in a sprayer?
 
m314 said:
Has anyone else stored MDPV in solution successfully like this? I'm wondering if storing the bacteriostatic solution in a sealed vial, not exposed to air, is what prevented the MDPV from degrading over time.
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Man, I swear I can't get it in my arm fast enough before it's lost at least half it's kick.
 
I'm not sure if anyone cares, but my bac water solution looks just as clear and clean as it did in January. I tried another IM injection last weekend, and it doesn't seem to have lost any potency at all. I'm guessing the lack of air / oxygen in the sealed vial is what kept it fresh so long.

This is the end of my little experiment, though. I've tried taking this orally, injecting IM, and vaporizing the raw powder. For me, MDPV produces a short-lived euphoria followed by several hours of non-euphoric stimulation. This is followed by a shitty crash and aftereffects that can last a few days. It's just not worth it when I have access to better stims.
 
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