Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[cire113]

^^^ yeah but the whole point of bup is not so its a crutch.. its to stop using full agonist..

i find switching back and from sub and full agonists sucks on ur body..

honestly i feel so much bettter on sub anyways ... no ups and downs its refreshing to feel normal ..

 

[bwanajzj]

I plan to IV 1.2 mg Bupe(Temgesic 3 x 0.4 mg) today (3rd attempt, after a week following 1st and second attempt).

All went well, no abscess (YET!!!), and the slightest track marks after 4-5 days, so I did alright first couple times. Anyways, this time, I am using less cotton, less water, and double filtering with a 10 micron filter tip, to try minimize the amount of luquid, and increase the [Bupe conc.]/vol. to lessen the amount I need to inject (to prevent 'mounding' if veins which was the case once last time - this will probably also because I released the torniquet after removing the needle, gonna release tornique (old belt, unless I come across a smarter way, some rubber tubing would be perfect first this time, then release)....

I DO HOWVER NOT RECOMMEND INJECTING PILLS. I AM DOING IT A FEW TIMES OVER A FEW WEEKS, and then hopefully never again, in terms of pills. If I get a very pure drug one day worth injecting, I am going to go for it.

AS CONFIRMED EARLIER BY Cap'n H and myself, Temgesic contains the exact same ingredients as Subutex, just different amounts of Bupe.
*I believe Temgesic are made for first aid kits these days - and for opiate naive patients who have a lower pain threshold during acute medical procedures - as a longer acting, safer alternative to to morphine during prolonged hopspital stays and for pain management and more more more.... Bupe is just great... at least I had 0.2 Tem's in my first aid kit last time I was in bum fuck nowhere on field work, and assumed it was replaced by Morphine as a safer in-the-field alternative to Morphines more sedative and short acting effects.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^^^ yeah but the whole point of bup is not so its a crutch.. its to stop using full agonist..

i find switching back and from sub and full agonists sucks on ur body..

honestly i feel so much bettter on sub anyways ... no ups and downs its refreshing to feel normal ..

This is exactly why I prefer just using buprenorphine now, there is almost no time when you go through acute withdrawal which is as bad as heroin's acute withdrawal syndrome.

Even if I were to stop using buprenorphine right now, I would never go through the same negative effects which heroin has produced for me, which is horrendous really.

I'm glad to hear that Suboxone is really helping you!

 

[n0th1ng]

Hi all, i got a quick question.

I'm a daily h user for a couple o years, today at 12am i took 4mgs of Suboxone (half of 8mg tablets) just to feel ok without h.

My question is, how long should i wait to feel h effects again? I know the short answer is 36-48 hours after the last dose of bupe but i was wondering if it could be less since i only took 1 tablet and wasn't on bupe for days and days.

Or would it worth trying to shoot again and again till i feel high?

Any tricks would help.Thanks in advance for any input.

 

[comatoserct]

Just want to thank Captain H, started off taking 16mg a day as I was prescribed, but after getting some education here, I quickly dropped to 4mg within a week. Now I micron filtered a solution for the month, and I only take 0.5-1.5mg a day, depending on how the day goes. I don't get "high" off it, but taking this lower dose definitely gives me a boost of energy and a feeling of calm. Has helped my depression and anxiety very much.

I was prescribed 60 8mg films on january 8th and I still have like 23 strips left
I figure if I get another script for 60 I'll be set for the year if I keep this up =]

 

[amapola]

Hi all, i got a quick question.

I'm a daily h user for a couple o years, today at 12am i took 4mgs of Suboxone (half of 8mg tablets) just to feel ok without h.

My question is, how long should i wait to feel h effects again? I know the short answer is 36-48 hours after the last dose of bupe but i was wondering if it could be less since i only took 1 tablet and wasn't on bupe for days and days.

Or would it worth trying to shoot again and again till i feel high?

Any tricks would help.Thanks in advance for any input.

Hi n0th1ng,

I think you pretty much said it all. You can try and shoot dope every few hours until you can feel it again, or you can try and shoot a lot to break through the bupe. Unfortunately until the buprenorphine wears off you will be wasting a lot of your H. It's pretty much up to you but the most frugal and harm reduction based advice would be wait until you start feeling the onset of withdrawal symptoms and then you'll know that at the very least the dope will help with those and you'll be more likely to feel more of a high from it.

Good luck!

 

[ech0s85]

Hi all, i got a quick question.

I'm a daily h user for a couple o years, today at 12am i took 4mgs of Suboxone (half of 8mg tablets) just to feel ok without h.

My question is, how long should i wait to feel h effects again? I know the short answer is 36-48 hours after the last dose of bupe but i was wondering if it could be less since i only took 1 tablet and wasn't on bupe for days and days.

Or would it worth trying to shoot again and again till i feel high?

Any tricks would help.Thanks in advance for any input.

how much dope were you using?

i have a pretty good habit and have found that if i take like 1 or 2 mgs of sub to feel ok, i can get high at anytime. 4mg is kind of a lot but if you had a good habit going before the one day of sub you should be able to get high the next morning.

its weird with sub sometimes it seems like it blocks the dope, and othertimes i could swear that i get higher from it. I kinda that it might be possible that some residual bupe is floating around my brain so a few receptors are already filled making me get higher once the dope hits, but i have no idea.

 

[kanyeknievel]

how much dope were you using?

i have a pretty good habit and have found that if i take like 1 or 2 mgs of sub to feel ok, i can get high at anytime. 4mg is kind of a lot but if you had a good habit going before the one day of sub you should be able to get high the next morning.

its weird with sub sometimes it seems like it blocks the dope, and othertimes i could swear that i get higher from it. I kinda that it might be possible that some residual bupe is floating around my brain so a few receptors are already filled making me get higher once the dope hits, but i have no idea.

Is there ways of potentiating suboxone? Trying to take the least possible each day and I know my tolerence is slowly building by the amount I use each day. I insufflate it in small lines throughout the day, thats how I can tell.

But is there a way I can potentiate suboxone so I can use less and get the same results? I've read things only like st johns wort (i cant take it cuz im on cymbalta and SJW and Anti-Deprssants dont mix), grape fruit juice, and possibly dxm or diphenhydramine.

Are any of these credible and work, or is there anything else?

Thanks all, hope you all are recovering well

 

[ElsuThe30Machine]

i was taking 8 mg of subs a day for 2 weeks and i felt tired all the time and would over sleep like 14 hours a night. i seen alot of ppl saying they had the same reactions on it... i cut my dose down and i feel 10x better.

it really sucks being tired all the time its like torture

 

[tom80]

I have a question that's probably going to be hard to answer. I've been on 16mg a day of bupe for the last 2 months. The "honeymoon phase" has worn off. I know some of you are going to say lower your dose. Tried that in several different sized doses per day, but felt like I was in mini withdrawals.

So anyway, I need a little break from bupe, its not helping with the pain. I know the general rule is 36-48 hrs, but in my situation how long do you think I would have to be bupe-free to feel the full effects of oxy again? Thanks in advance for any advice.

 

[BlueLightBeam]

Depends on your tolerance. I need 12 hours from 8mg, and I have an ugly tolerance.

 

[comatoserct]

I have a question that's probably going to be hard to answer. I've been on 16mg a day of bupe for the last 2 months. The "honeymoon phase" has worn off. I know some of you are going to say lower your dose. Tried that in several different sized doses per day, but felt like I was in mini withdrawals.

So anyway, I need a little break from bupe, its not helping with the pain. I know the general rule is 36-48 hrs, but in my situation how long do you think I would have to be bupe-free to feel the full effects of oxy again? Thanks in advance for any advice.

I know everyone is different, but I think the "mini withdwawals" are mostly mental. It shouldn't be hard at all to switch down to 8mg a day.

For 16mg a day, I'd say you need to wait at least 36 hours to feel anything. And more like 72-90 hours to feel it well. If you wait 30-40 hours you are still going to need a lot more than usual to get high

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hi all, i got a quick question.

I'm a daily h user for a couple o years, today at 12am i took 4mgs of Suboxone (half of 8mg tablets) just to feel ok without h.

My question is, how long should i wait to feel h effects again? I know the short answer is 36-48 hours after the last dose of bupe but i was wondering if it could be less since i only took 1 tablet and wasn't on bupe for days and days.

Or would it worth trying to shoot again and again till i feel high?

Any tricks would help.Thanks in advance for any input.

I would wait as long as possible.

Are you trying to quit heroin use or do you not have much Suboxone so it doesn't matter even if you were trying to quit?

Just want to thank Captain H, started off taking 16mg a day as I was prescribed, but after getting some education here, I quickly dropped to 4mg within a week. Now I micron filtered a solution for the month, and I only take 0.5-1.5mg a day, depending on how the day goes. I don't get "high" off it, but taking this lower dose definitely gives me a boost of energy and a feeling of calm. Has helped my depression and anxiety very much.

I was prescribed 60 8mg films on january 8th and I still have like 23 strips left
I figure if I get another script for 60 I'll be set for the year if I keep this up =]

You're welcome and I'm glad to hear it's working out for you.

 

[muvolution]

Keep in mind that when you shoot more H to overcome the suboxone, you are really rolling the dice as it's really easy to serve yourself up an OD when you are trying to break through bupe, especially with how different everyone's tolerance and metabolism is. Just be careful and test a bit to see how your body reacts, everyone will be at a different point at 40 hours or 72 hours, et al...

 

[SubDude]

My dermatologist asked if I had been drinking before the blood test, but I don't drink and I don't inject bupe (or snort it, for that matter). When I took the test I'd been clean of everything but bupe for at least a couple of weeks. Actually I don't take anything as of yesterday morning, but that's another story. Hopefully the enzymes will be better soon.

A quick search on google showed other people experiencing this (no idea why), so I was curious if long-term bupe persons get their livers checked.

My dr checks my liver enzymes twice yearly and the time before last they were high. At the time I was switching back & forth to Oxys a couple of times a month. I haven't done that for a couple of mos and had the test last week and now it's within normal. IDK why it straightened out ... but thats the only change i made between the two tests....

Just want to thank Captain H, started off taking 16mg a day as I was prescribed, but after getting some education here, I quickly dropped to 4mg within a week. Now I micron filtered a solution for the month, and I only take 0.5-1.5mg a day, depending on how the day goes. I don't get "high" off it, but taking this lower dose definitely gives me a boost of energy and a feeling of calm. Has helped my depression and anxiety very much.

I was prescribed 60 8mg films on january 8th and I still have like 23 strips left
I figure if I get another script for 60 I'll be set for the year if I keep this up =]

In the USA it's pretty easy to stockpile a lot of subs since the dr's usually want to prescribe in higher doses than needed. I have enough to last yrs if ever kicked off or quit the program. The only 2 problems I see is how long will they stay potent and where to securely store them. I think I have #2 taken care of....

 

[kanyeknievel]

Is there ways of potentiating suboxone? Trying to take the least possible each day and I know my tolerence is slowly building by the amount I use each day. I insufflate it in small lines throughout the day, thats how I can tell.

But is there a way I can potentiate suboxone so I can use less and get the same results? I've read things only like st johns wort (i cant take it cuz im on cymbalta and SJW and Anti-Deprssants dont mix), grape fruit juice, and possibly dxm or diphenhydramine.

Are any of these credible and work, or is there anything else?

Thanks all, hope you all are recovering well

 

[cire113]

It is actually pretty well known that using suboxone does cause elevated liver enzymes in alot of people..

got my 2nd meeting with my dr tommorow... Im gonna get him to rx me 90 8mg strip a month... because he doesnt care how much i take as long as i have no cravings.... in reality i take about 4mgs a day.. i wouldnt mind having extra though cause my insurance covers it only cost 50$ for any amount....

call me crazy but i feel like i take 6mgs of bupe a day... absorp 30% in reality it equals about 1.8mgs...?

do people take the absorption rates into consideration when dosing?.. .i definetly feel a difference between 2mgs a day and 6mgs... like 2mgs a day will hold me but ill have cravings... if i take the extra 4 or 2.. i have significantly less cravings..


dipehdramine and xanax potentiate sub hecka lot.. so does weed

 

[662]

95% need 100

hello,
I used oxys and heroin for 9 years, last year i been on suboxone, now before i celebrate the ten year anniversary of sniffing shit i want to be sober, thanks to a really acurate digi i can break the 8 mg pill into very small parts, i am on .6mg and just dont know how to stop all the way, after dropping from 1mg i am psychotic everything eritates me. I just want to pee normal again, and not stand there for a minute,. and same with number two. i been going to spa every weekend,
for about a week i been below 1mg, anyone has advice on smooth sailing finish, and what to look forward,and how long my brain will get used to natural seratonin, i take xanax .25 to go to sleep and during the day
thanks

 

[cire113]

i went to the pharmacy to get my strips filled and the pharmacist said they didnt have them and right behind him i saw two stacks of boxes.. one box was the 8mg blue box strips and the other boxes were 2mg green box strips.... wtf??

then i said dude they are right behind you.. and he said sorry sir...he was startled when i said i see the boxes right behind u..


from now on im gonna just have my dr call my perscription in this is bull shit

I mean wtf is there such a negative stigma when filling subs with some pharmacists?

 

[Pegasus]

hello,
I used oxys and heroin for 9 years, last year i been on suboxone, now before i celebrate the ten year anniversary of sniffing shit i want to be sober, thanks to a really acurate digi i can break the 8 mg pill into very small parts, i am on .6mg and just dont know how to stop all the way, after dropping from 1mg i am psychotic everything eritates me. I just want to pee normal again, and not stand there for a minute,. and same with number two. i been going to spa every weekend,
for about a week i been below 1mg, anyone has advice on smooth sailing finish, and what to look forward,and how long my brain will get used to natural seratonin, i take xanax .25 to go to sleep and during the day
thanks

I definitely recommend looking into kratom for this transition. I just took my last 0.5mg bupe (nasally) about an hour ago after about six months on, and while I didn't taper as much as I'd have liked to, I'm not worried because kratom holds me just fine. Kratom is a weaker opiate and little to no physical dependence will form if using for only a few weeks to get off opiates. Note that it is an opioid and dependence can form given enough time, but it is generally agreed that kratom (plain leaf) addiction/ withdrawal is an order of magnitude less intense than traditional opiate addiction/ withdrawal, especially in the short-term.

This is just a quick rundown... Definitely research this more on your own if you are going to try this. I have quit bupe numerous times and kratom is better targeted to this task than any other legal or illegal drug that I have tried. Fortunately, it is legal in the countries with Suboxone, except Australia of course!