Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[662]

I definitely recommend looking into kratom for this transition. I just took my last 0.5mg bupe (nasally) about an hour ago after about six months on, and while I didn't taper as much as I'd have liked to, I'm not worried because kratom holds me just fine. Kratom is a weaker opiate and little to no physical dependence will form if using for only a few weeks to get off opiates. Note that it is an opioid and dependence can form given enough time, but it is generally agreed that kratom (plain leaf) addiction/ withdrawal is an order of magnitude less intense than traditional opiate addiction/ withdrawal, especially in the short-term.

never heard of kratom, where do you get that? yeah i inhale too, cause .5 is like nothing under the tongue. i am trying to do it once a day, not twice of .3 times 2. working on .4 but need to be without all this semi opiate, wow kratom? what side effects i wonder, thanks P

 

[mr. mudd]

I was in the same rocking, leaky 9-year boat. It's odd that you have issues with urination and defecation while in withdrawal--I think most people experience the opposite, esp. with defecation. I used to have a hard time peeing on tons of morphine, but I got used to it. It might be an anxiety problem in your case, as that's a pretty small amount of sub for an average oxy/heroin user.

Snorting your sub isn't doing yourself any favours--I would take more but take it sublingually to get away from your preferred route of administration (sniffing). Breaking the habit of sniffing your pills will be difficult but it's an important part of recovery. I was an IV addict myself and I can understand how one craves a speedier, stronger rush. Even if it means going back to 1mg or more I think you need to break that habit of sniffing if you want to be abstinent.

As for the irritation, yeah sub made me totally manic. I get RLS even with bezos and barbs so in my detoxing I haven't slept much at all in three weeks. It's not the end of the world if you don't sleep--your system is just rebounding. At worst you catch a cold from being rundown.

I don't know how long it'll take for your brain to recover, but once you do get to zero I would give yourself a week of sleeplessness and then start exercising. Exercise is, if you can stand it, better than kratom at getting your natural seratonin back.

One of the big challenges once you're out of physical withdrawal, apart from crippling depression, is getting over the idea of taking a drug to make yourself feel better. I know I'm still working on that.

Personally I've been at zero after a three-week taper on subs. It took four pink phenobarbs [not a suggested dose, as indivudual tolerance may vary and you don't want to o.d.] to knock me out, after four days without sleep. I feel much better today. Now I need to take my own advice and exercise.

hello,
I used oxys and heroin for 9 years, last year i been on suboxone, now before i celebrate the ten year anniversary of sniffing shit i want to be sober, thanks to a really acurate digi i can break the 8 mg pill into very small parts, i am on .6mg and just dont know how to stop all the way, after dropping from 1mg i am psychotic everything eritates me. I just want to pee normal again, and not stand there for a minute,. and same with number two. i been going to spa every weekend,
for about a week i been below 1mg, anyone has advice on smooth sailing finish, and what to look forward,and how long my brain will get used to natural seratonin, i take xanax .25 to go to sleep and during the day
thanks

 

[Pegasus]

never heard of kratom, where do you get that? yeah i inhale too, cause .5 is like nothing under the tongue. i am trying to do it once a day, not twice of .3 times 2. working on .4 but need to be without all this semi opiate, wow kratom? what side effects i wonder, thanks P

You can find kratom online, there are plenty of good sites out there. It is really cheap, especially if you get something like Bali kratom: cheap and very effective for the purpose of quitting opiates. I also recommend getting capsules to put the kratom into, as the taste is not the best. If you can manage to swallow a bunch of leaf powder by dumping in your throat and washing down with liquid, this works as well, as does using tissue parachutes. I just find the capsules to be easiest.

I recommend reading the Wikipedia article for kratom at least if you're going to do this. It talks about the use of kratom to come off opiates, present day and historically. Once you decide if this is for you, find a site that is recommended online for having good Bali kratom, and get a few ounces of it. The average person needs about 7-8 grams per dose, and maybe 1-3 doses per day depending on the intensity of the withdrawal (you'll probably need three per day to begin, and can drop to one or two after the first week or so)... Suboxone withdrawal lasts at least two weeks for most, so do the math here and you'll see that you'll probably need around 6-8 ounces of kratom to get you through the two weeks period.

Good luck, feel free to ask anything.

 

[662]

but would it be better to be hooked on this kratom business than suboxone I would think? 7 grams orally?? 3 times a day thats 1/4 ounce, that would not fit in capsules though, any side effects and i am in chicago, should i hit the head shops or order online? thx

 

[Pegasus]

^Don't order the capsules online or from your local head shop. I don't recommend using any kratom from the head shop period, honestly. Online vendors have reputations that are easily searchable... Finding a good one isn't too difficult!

Putting the kratom in capsules works well if you get 000 size capsules, which fit around a gram in each. If you don't want to do this, there are other ways to get it down for sure.

 

[cire113]

i dont understand why so many ppl are anxoius to taper off sub then weeks or months later they just relapse back on their DOC...

kratom sucks it tastes like shit ... there is no point in taking kratom if your taking subs..

If you plan to substitute kratom for subs umm.. i would rather just take subs

 

[Pegasus]

^Well, that is your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. However, I have helped many people get off bupe by using kratom for a few weeks. Fact is, you will most likely feel poorly for two weeks or so when discontinuing bupe, and kratom makes this period much easier. Also, chances are that bupe isn't even giving effects after taking daily for a period of time, and so what would be the point of staying on? It only gets more difficult to quit as time goes by.

 

[mr. mudd]

have the people you helped with kratom stayed off all opiates?

^Well, that is your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. However, I have helped many people get off bupe by using kratom for a few weeks. Fact is, you will most likely feel poorly for two weeks or so when discontinuing bupe, and kratom makes this period much easier. Also, chances are that bupe isn't even giving effects after taking daily for a period of time, and so what would be the point of staying on? It only gets more difficult to quit as time goes by.

 

[Pegasus]

^Some have, some haven't. What does happen just about every time is that the person completes the two weeks or so on kratom without relapsing. After this, they are no longer addicted and go in many directions from here. Many stay away from opiates after all this. Personally, I have gone back to opiates a few times after months off, but I consider myself to be the exception rather than the rule.

Kratom will work better for some people than for others. People who are on the thebaine derivative opiates (including oxycodone and bupe) will generally have an easier time adapting to kratom's effects than people on the morphine-derivatives, as the effects of kratom are more of the stimulating opiate type. There is also personal preference to factor in. Regardless, if kratom is being used specifically for opiate withdrawal, it will almost certainly make the experience much easier.

 

[cire113]

my point is if someone is a chronic relapser has been to rehab x times etc etc has a live threatening addiction and tried staying sober..... its way safer and better to just stay on suboxone..

but you cant cheat withdrawal.. even if you take kratom when you stop the kratom you'll still w/d

the chances of staying completely clean long term from opiates after having a serious habit im sorry to say are pfftt...

Not good... this has been my experience..

Bupe still works the thing is you get used to the effects... the drug is constantly saturated in your blood and receptors. so you feeling normal is really you on "bupe"


honeslty its some powerful shit

 

[Pegasus]

Kratom does help with withdrawal... "cheating" is a weasel word but it does help considerably. You don't w/d after stopping the kratom, that is the point. If you have any w/d symptoms they will be much milder than they would have been from just stopping the bupe.

Chances of staying clean aren't "pffft"... If someone has a reason and desire to get clean, they can. I'm giving advice to help someone complete this transition smoothly... I don't understand the issue with this...

Bupe may be good to stay on for some people, but the poster I was replying to was looking for advice on quitting bupe, not on whether or not he should maintain on bupe. I agree that it is a good drug for some over the long-term, but for others, it can be well utilized in the short-term. There is no hard rule here.

I do understand that some people would benefit from staying on Suboxone, I'm not denying that...

 

[Yohanson]

Can suboxone cause motion sickness??? I'm so confused!

First off: I'm not addicted to opiates, or anything that causes much of a withdrawal.


Okay, so either the half dose of suboxone I took today made me extremely sick, or I just have horrible motion sickness 8 hours and continuing.

I took HALF of my dad's *prescribed* dose in a strip. Note that I am only 95lb/43kg. My dad isn't too much bigger, 135lb/61kg, so I really don't think a half a dose of his would be too much for me. And I ate a good-sized lunch 2 hours prior.

Today was the first time I tried it, and I absolutely love it. I feel like I found an answer to my undiagnosed bipolar disorder symptoms. The whole reason my dad gave it to me was because I was basically at rock-bottom mentally, and it was also taking a tole on me physically.

But an hour and a half after it kicked in, I got violently sick. I got extreme dizziness and blurred vision which caused me to get motion-sickness and throw up any time I had my eyes open for longer than 10 minutes. Seriously, I had lay down with my eyes shut and day dream for 4 hours. I also had major hot and cold spells.

Now I'm up and about, but I'm still puking after every glass of kool-aid I drink, which is often because I'm sooo thirsty (and I haven't even had the urge to pee since this started).
When I'm not puking, I'm still actually feeling pretty good. And it's 1 am in the morning here, 10 hours after I took it under the tongue. It feels how it did when it started, but I still can't see straight. I'm like, cocking my head to see this screen



So.. what do you think? Do me and suboxone just not get along or do you think it was motion sickness, and totally unrelated???

I've taken xanax, and to me suboxone felt like a super low dose of xanax, or somewhat equal to a few vics. And I've NEVER in my life gotten motion sickness from anything, even though I felt much more dizzy than that from dxm and alcohol. So I don't think that the dizziness from this could have caused ALL this. I would assume that if it was the suboxone, it would be more complicated.

I'm begging for opinions because I really feel like this drug could help me be satisfied with my life. Or at least I could take it during manic or depressive episodes to straighten out.

 

[evertking]

I hope some one can help me with this.. I do not have a a family doctor and i do not have insurance. I would to kick my habit.. i done some lookin and there are NO methdone clinics around here. Can i just go to a GP doctor and be honest and see if they could help me? i need it.. suboxone or something.

 

[mr. mudd]

good god, what are you thinking? getting an opiate habit to cure what might be Normal Adolescent Insanity is like taking a shot of malaria to cure a cold. even if you are properly bipolar and not just fucked up like I was at whatever age you are the answer is to see a psychiatrist or psychologist. maybe you need meds, maybe you don't--sometimes learning to control your thoughts a bit more can actual affect your brain chemistry. you certainly don't need opiates, nor would they help with bipolar--at best they will take away the mania and give some euphoria for a while until you stop feeling the euphoria and you have to use more and more just to feel normal.

oh, and you puked because you have no opiate tolerance. happens to the best of us. the first time I did heroin I puked about six times (but I didn't mind one bit).

First off: I'm not addicted to opiates, or anything that causes much of a withdrawal.


Okay, so either the half dose of suboxone I took today made me extremely sick, or I just have horrible motion sickness 8 hours and continuing.

I took HALF of my dad's *prescribed* dose in a strip. Note that I am only 95lb/43kg. My dad isn't too much bigger, 135lb/61kg, so I really don't think a half a dose of his would be too much for me. And I ate a good-sized lunch 2 hours prior.

Today was the first time I tried it, and I absolutely love it. I feel like I found an answer to my undiagnosed bipolar disorder symptoms. The whole reason my dad gave it to me was because I was basically at rock-bottom mentally, and it was also taking a tole on me physically.

But an hour and a half after it kicked in, I got violently sick. I got extreme dizziness and blurred vision which caused me to get motion-sickness and throw up any time I had my eyes open for longer than 10 minutes. Seriously, I had lay down with my eyes shut and day dream for 4 hours. I also had major hot and cold spells.

Now I'm up and about, but I'm still puking after every glass of kool-aid I drink, which is often because I'm sooo thirsty (and I haven't even had the urge to pee since this started).
When I'm not puking, I'm still actually feeling pretty good. And it's 1 am in the morning here, 10 hours after I took it under the tongue. It feels how it did when it started, but I still can't see straight. I'm like, cocking my head to see this screen



So.. what do you think? Do me and suboxone just not get along or do you think it was motion sickness, and totally unrelated???

I've taken xanax, and to me suboxone felt like a super low dose of xanax, or somewhat equal to a few vics. And I've NEVER in my life gotten motion sickness from anything, even though I felt much more dizzy than that from dxm and alcohol. So I don't think that the dizziness from this could have caused ALL this. I would assume that if it was the suboxone, it would be more complicated.

I'm begging for opinions because I really feel like this drug could help me be satisfied with my life. Or at least I could take it during manic or depressive episodes to straighten out.

 

[donkeyPUNCH]

@ Yohanson: I agree with mr. mudd here. the thing you need is most definitely not an opiate. youre damn right it helped your depression or whatever, that's because opiates flood your brain with the feel-good chemical dopamine. they are designed to make you feel good. the problem is that you can't keep taking them forever. so you need to find something else pronto before you pick up your dads opiate habit.

but to actually answer your question, yes you just took a little too much. with no tolerance, I would suggest you taking no more than 2mg. even that is pushing it imo.

@ evertking: without insurance the only route is to look online for suboxone doctors in your area. it's going to be hella expensive and there is a good chance the dr will only be out for the money. IME a lot of suboxone docs don't care whether you get clean or not, as long as you've got the cash. but if you really want to get yourself cleaned up it's the best option out there IMO

 

[DoUbLeYoU]

ive been taking 8mg/day sublingually for around 2 months. i just recently started to taper down by taking 4mg in the morning, but by around midday i start feeling as if w.ds are starting to come on.

am i jumping down too fast or is this just mental?

 

[mr. mudd]

It's probably mental, but in any case I would have reduced to 6mg, leave it for a week, reduce to 4mg, leave it for a week, reduce to 2mg, 1mg, .5mg the same way. It won't be painless but it's less painful than a more rapid taper or a cold turkey detox on short-acting opiates.

ive been taking 8mg/day sublingually for around 2 months. i just recently started to taper down by taking 4mg in the morning, but by around midday i start feeling as if w.ds are starting to come on.

am i jumping down too fast or is this just mental?

 

[caseface99]

ive been taking 8mg/day sublingually for around 2 months. i just recently started to taper down by taking 4mg in the morning, but by around midday i start feeling as if w.ds are starting to come on.

am i jumping down too fast or is this just mental?

In my experience taking half your days dose in the morning and half in the afternoon/evening leads to a smoother taper because of more consistent blood levels of bupe, it will take a few days to adjust if your used to taking it all at once but it definitely helped me in the end.

 

[Freesomehow]

ive been taking 8mg/day sublingually for around 2 months. i just recently started to taper down by taking 4mg in the morning, but by around midday i start feeling as if w.ds are starting to come on.

am i jumping down too fast or is this just mental?

I don't think it's mental.. I know if I take a dose in the morning, by mid-afternoon I am feeling I need another one (I also take s/l). Maybe try 2 mg in the morning and 2 in the evening? Or, as suggested, try 6 mgs for a week or two before jumping to 4.

In my experience taking half your days dose in the morning and half in the afternoon/evening leads to a smoother taper because of more consistent blood levels of bupe, it will take a few days to adjust if your used to taking it all at once but it definitely helped me in the end.

How did I miss this? Im a noob.

 

[SubDude]

but you cant cheat withdrawal.. even if you take kratom when you stop the kratom you'll still w/d

the chances of staying completely clean long term from opiates after having a serious habit im sorry to say are pfftt...

I have never tried kratom but I would be concerned about wd's when stopping that.... of course that would depend on the individual and other variables. Sleep and RLS are my biggest problems and with PTSD... insomnia for a day or two can make people like me delusional. Maybe clonodine/gaba after the kratom??

My dr told me the most recent research [who knows methodology they used] indicates 80%+ relapse rate quiting subs.

honeslty its some powerful shit

Yes it is by some accounts... 20X more potent that morphine. 200mcg prescribed for pain says it all. Then some Bupe dr's give us 12-16mg at induction

First off: I'm not addicted to opiates, or anything that causes much of a withdrawal.

Okay, so either the half dose of suboxone I took today made me extremely sick, or I just have horrible motion sickness 8 hours and continuing.

I took HALF of my dad's *prescribed* dose in a strip. Note that I am only 95lb/43kg. My dad isn't too much bigger, 135lb/61kg, so I really don't think a half a dose of his would be too much for me. And I ate a good-sized lunch 2 hours prior.

Today was the first time I tried it, and I absolutely love it. I feel like I found an answer to my undiagnosed bipolar disorder symptoms. The whole reason my dad gave it to me was because I was basically at rock-bottom mentally, and it was also taking a tole on me physically.

But an hour and a half after it kicked in, I got violently sick. I got extreme dizziness and blurred vision which caused me to get motion-sickness and throw up any time I had my eyes open for longer than 10 minutes. Seriously, I had lay down with my eyes shut and day dream for 4 hours. I also had major hot and cold spells.

Now I'm up and about, but I'm still puking after every glass of kool-aid I drink, which is often because I'm sooo thirsty (and I haven't even had the urge to pee since this started).
When I'm not puking, I'm still actually feeling pretty good. And it's 1 am in the morning here, 10 hours after I took it under the tongue. It feels how it did when it started, but I still can't see straight. I'm like, cocking my head to see this screen
So.. what do you think? Do me and suboxone just not get along or do you think it was motion sickness, and totally unrelated???

I've taken xanax, and to me suboxone felt like a super low dose of xanax, or somewhat equal to a few vics. And I've NEVER in my life gotten motion sickness from anything, even though I felt much more dizzy than that from dxm and alcohol. So I don't think that the dizziness from this could have caused ALL this. I would assume that if it was the suboxone, it would be more complicated.

I'm begging for opinions because I really feel like this drug could help me be satisfied with my life. Or at least I could take it during manic or depressive episodes to straighten out.

Please LISTEN to what others have already told you. Subs isn't something to fuck around with. Before doing anything... read several pages of this thread and you will see many people who are trying to get OFF subs rather than on. Subs for someone like you [who has no addiction] might be fun for a few weeks but slowly and most surely... you will eventually want out of the game... By that time, you will have some serious problems quitting.

I don't know how old you are, but assume your in your teens?? I don't know WTF your dad thinking giving you something like subs?? At least he could have taken you to a Psych or addiction specialist. You could be one of the lucky ones that anti-deps work for you. Forget the opiates dude... if you need a bump, smoke a little weed. For most people... thats good enough. You don't want to be an addict... and thats where subs or oxys, heroin, regular benzo use...etc will lead you.