2c-E deaths in Blaine

highhooked said:
Hmm so it definitely was 2c-e and he was just irresponsible with it?

Or is this still speculation
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Like I said earlier in this thread, you really can't trust the media to know their shit about drugs unless they provide sources to backup their claims. It seems very unlikely to me that if it was a 2C, it was 2C-E. If they were swallowing it, they would've had to take ungodly piles of powder. If they were snorting it, they would've had to put up with ungodly amounts of pain in the nasal passages, and after watching one person do a line, I doubt the rest would follow. He/She would be on the floor holding his/her nose or crying in a matter of seconds.

Even if it wasn't the media's error, you still have consider the fact that unless a concrete analysis is provided, you can't assume to know what substance(s) were involved. Say they provided a picture of a baggie with a label on it that said, "2C-E" for example. Still, it could be the vendors error by mislabeling the product.

If it *was* a 2C, I would say its much more likely that it was a 2C-T-X compound. (2C-T-2, 2C-T-7, 2C-T-4, 2C-T-21, etc). Some of those compounds have been responsible for OD's / Deaths in the past. I don't recall ever hearing of 2C-E being responsible for a death.
 
several people that claim to know the group of people in question seem quite positive it was MDPV and not 2c-e, but this is all hearsay i suppose.

Is it just me or are there so many parallels between this & the 4-MMC ban in the U.K.?

Teenagers OD on drug 1, drug 2 gets blamed, media makes up stupid slang term for drug 2 (anyone heard 2c-e called "europa" before?), drug 2 gets the attention of national legislators... Why won't people learn to wait for facts & make rational decisions? There is still no coroners report, its not even out of the question that he could've died from a head injury...

this hurts my soul
 
any major dude said:
several people that claim to know the group of people in question seem quite positive it was MDPV and not 2c-e, but this is all hearsay i suppose.

Is it just me or are there so many parallels between this & the 4-MMC ban in the U.K.?

Teenagers OD on drug 1, drug 2 gets blamed, media makes up stupid slang term for drug 2 (anyone heard 2c-e called "europa" before?), drug 2 gets the attention of national legislators... Why won't people learn to wait for facts & make rational decisions? There is still no coroners report, its not even out of the question that he could've died from a head injury...

this hurts my soul
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Yep, exactly the kind of thing I was getting at. Its too bad really. Same thing is happening with 'bath salts' I'm afraid.
 
I think the only way we will get more info on this is to go dig it up ourselves. Minnesota law requires the death records be filed within 5 days of the death, once they are in anyone can request a non-certified copy, info is at http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/chs/osr/deathnc.html. The fee is $13 I believe, i am sure the media reports have enough info to make the request. The death record must include the fact and cause of death that is defined as immediate cause of death. underlying cause of death, conditions contributing to the death, manner of death, and name and address of the physician who provided the cause of death information. Be sure to get both types of transcripts, who knows what's on these (MN Rule 4601.2550). Otherwise it will likely be months before the media gets it right, if ever.
 
I don't know how people on here can say they snort 100 mg of 2ce and think nothing of it. I take 17 mg orally and am blasted out of my mind for a good 10 hours. 40 mg orally and I would be curled into a ball in a corner somewhere freaking out. 2ce is no joke and is very potent and can take two hours to come on.

"So he just took more and more and more and all of a sudden Trevor started freaking out,"

This kid probably didn't know how long it takes to come up and kept upping the doses after the first hour came and nothing happened, classic mistake. Cause half way through the second hour it would start hitting and by two hours tripping good. Maybe he was given three 18 mg doses and started stacking them when he wasn't tripping after an hour and when all the doses kicked in I couldn't even imagine the strength of the trip probably black out somewhere.
 
"He said it was legal and that you could buy it online and in sex shops and stuff," Robinson said
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To me, that statement is a dead giveaway that they didn't take 2ce. I would wager that anyone here very familiar with Shulgin's creations has almost never seen them sold in US sex shops. The only exceptions I could think of would be the 2cb nexus pills, 2ct7 blue mystics, and 5-Meo-DIPT sold under various ridiculous monikers but in European and Asian shops respectively.

More often, legal highs sold in sex shops offer some type of perceived afrodisiac properties. That's why we might see nitrate poppers, GABA chemicals, and "horny powders". What's the latest chem to be nicknamed "perv powder" and known for its afrodisiac qualities? I'd say MDPV. I think we might venture an educated guess that PV was the culprit and an uneducated local supplier the conduit.

I think back to when I first got interested in Shulgin's and Nichols' creations. There were so many acronyms and letters, it took me reading all of Pihkal and Tihkal to consistently remember the effects and dosages of the major substituted phens and tryps. I still couldn't tell you effect profiles and dosages for the more obscure ones. What I'm saying is a much less informed witness still under shock could easily spit out 2ce if that's the one letter/number combo or RC name (s)he can remember at the time. It's the same ease by which a novice could accidentally mistake mephedrone for methadrone for methadone.
 
forbiddenisdefruit said:
This is crazy to me. I've known people who have taken unreasonably high doses (100mgs+) of 2c-i but to what avail?
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It seems crazy to me too. I've taken high doses of both 2C-I and 2C-E, in almost every ROA. IV included. With 2C-E, it seems like it would almost have to be intentional, to OD. There is too much pain if you go the nasal route, I'm pretty sure they didn't IV/IM. I doubt they plugged it. So that leaves oral. You would have to take a bat-shit insane dose, as far as I know, to OD on 2C-E orally.

They other dead-giveaway is when they said "[The Substance] can be bought online or in sex shops". 2C-E is not sold in sex shops. At least not in America.
 
The Star Tribune has gotten back to me w/r/t a follow-up piece, although no new information about Robinson's death was mentioned.
 
I'd think that one would start vomiting up large oral doses of 2c-e long before hitting the LD-50 point. Now if they drown in their vomit that is another scenario, but it wasn't the case here.
 
This is a fascinating thread.

Has anybody noticed that it's pointless whether the drug ingested was 2C-E or something else? All that maters is that when distributed, it was represented as 2C-E. To quote the Analog Act:

...the term controlled substance analogue means a substance -
(iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.​
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http://deposit.ddb.de/cgi-bin/dokserv?idn=983750564&dok_var=d1&dok_ext=pdf&filename=983750564.pdf

This provides detailed findings of how 2C-E is metabolically processed in rats and some data is provided for urine/blood analysis in humans. Unfortunately it doesn't provide too much insight that I could find on the 2C-T series besides evidence of N-acetylation and MAO inhibition findings. I felt it was necessary to search because of the structural similarity between 2C-T-2 and 2C-E.

I don't believe it was just 2C-E at all, perhaps it wasn't even 2C-E. With the wreckless nature of repeated dosing set aside I think he mistook the effects of ANOTHER compound for 2C-E. When you take a familiar chem the initial symptoms are very distinct. From the time it heads down the chute that initial "alert" at least for me is unmistakable. And what about that girl who OD'd on the what was it 80!mg of 2C-P?? and then it happened again??? So many reports of massive dosing on 2C compounds.. I agree with what was speculated in previous responses to the thread that this seems more consistent with the thio analogues of 2C's. Even on the massive doses of 2C-E I've taken the marked lucidity of the experience does not seem to exceed a particular level. Who would be banging their head on a wall?? Also he could have been a drug addict as well and put a few other drugs in the mix. Especially with 2C-T-7 the stories of delirium and deaths are quite abundant. And lets not forget mr. Louisianan who crammed his tongue in the 2c-t-21 vial... My apologies for going on but this is really a frustrating/disturbing situation. I just do not believe that 2C-E alone would make this kid's heart stop twice before it gave out. Not even for a second.
 
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My friend knew the dealer who sold him the '2c-e', and he was actually trying to sell it to my friend at a dollar/milligram. He turned it down because those prices are a rip off around here, but Yes the dealer is a total white-trash piece of shit. Glad he's behind bars and not peddling his crap anymore. There are alot of tweakers from Blaine, and it doesn't surprise me that it happened in that town.

It seems the majority opinion is that this was probably not 2c-e, and I agree. I didn't know the kid, but my regards go out to the friends and family of Trevor Robinson. This is really sad.

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girlygrrl said:
^ it may very well have been 2c-p that someone mislabeled as 2c-e
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I'm guessing its more likely it was 2C-T2, 2C-T-4, 2C-T-7, or 2C-T-21. The thio series of 2C-x's has caused more than a few overdoses/deaths.
 
The amount of denial going on in this thread is astounding. The Pioneer Press's latest story should be the end of all of this. The important bits:

-The dealer poured the 2C-E out of a bottle onto a table
-He told the people at the party that it was 2C-I
-He was subsequently found by the police with that same bottle which a lab confirmed actually contained 8.9 grams of 2C-E.
-The autopsy determined that the cause of death was a heart attack caused by 2C-E.
 
8.9 grams is a hell of a lot of 2c-e...makes me wonder how someone so stupid can figure out how to obtain that quantity of product without knowing enough about it to not kill/hospitalize his users.
 
49 Osc/Sec said:
I knew the person that died and the group of people that ODed. They are all friends of my close friends.

Anyways, I can confirm that MDPV was what they ingested and not any 2C-x drugs.

I know the kid that dealt this to them too and he is so far burnt out of reality it's not even a joke. We've watched him snort 100mg lines of 2cs on multiple occasions, eat tons of pills at once, etc. Fucker belongs in jail for misinforming and mis-dosing like that.
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I agree. I got duped by the guy who dealt's friend. Fucking thing could have happened to me and most certainly ALMOST happened to my friend. I don't understand why this asshole decided to misrepresent MDPV as something it wasn't.

As for the comments regarding the possibility of this being mephedrone rather than MDPV: I can say with the utmost certainty that this was MDPV and not mephedrone. Considering that my friend who is very mephedrone experienced ingested some purported "MDMA" that was actually MDPV at an event with me recently, and also being that this was a friend of the guy who sold MDPV to us – I'm fairly sure it came from the same supply and isn't mephedrone.
 
8.9 grams in a jar, after 11 people are hospitalized ... sounds like each person took 100mg each, straight to the sinus cavity. That's certainly enough to cause people to "react to the drug by punching walls, breaking items, staring and having dilated pupils and yelling," because that would cause FUCKING UNBEARABLE pain. I'm not surprised that, out of 11 people who were foolish or misinformed enough to do this to themselves, one person's heart couldn't take it.

Fucking tragic.
 
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