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Joint Rolling - European vs. American Methods
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Well...smoking a joint is a sociable activity. Surely you can understand that there might be enjoyment derived from the use of a drug that is not directly caused by the pharmacological action of the chemicals? That people might enjoy going to the pub to drink different beers rather than drinking a measured dose of pure ethanol?
Voxide
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Well yeah, but people drink to relax, for taste, etc. You only smoke for one reason. To get high. I mean, I could always roll up some tea leaves into a zig-zag but I don't think my guests would be too thrilled about engaging in a sociable activity...Maybe if everybody was already stoned then it would get a few laughs, but...
As far as the measured dose of ethanol, this has sparked my curiosity.
That's exactly what I'm saying is not the case. People smoke to relax, for taste. I don't even particularly care about the high these days, I'd much rather smoke a nice, fat joint of tasty imported hash with a few friends than I would smoke BHO on my own. No offence, but my impression was that you were not a regular smoker and don't enjoy it. As such, it seems pretty presumptuous to assume that you understand the motivations of people who do smoke.
In exactly the same way that they wouldn't want to come around and drink bottled water. The behaviour and ritual develops over time, an emergence that wouldn't happen if the material wasn't psychoactive, I'll admit. However, I don't see the logic in saying that, because psychoactivity is a prerequisite for enjoyment and ritual, that therefore no other kind of value can arise. Yemenis chew qat, Amerindians drink ayahuasca, Christians drink wine, Turks smoke tobacco, Polynesians drink kava, all for social reasons, and with associated rituals and customs that have evolved over long periods of time. Are you really going to find all these people and tell them "No, no, no, you're just doing it to get high, strip away anything except cold, clinical administration of the drug"? I don't think you're going to be very popular.
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I'm not, and I don't, so no offense taken, but it's not like I'm clueless, lol. There isn't a single person in this entire area that would smoke de-THC'd sour diesel, that's for sure. I probably might, for shits and giggles but someone who actually likes to get high definitely wouldn't. In the end, you certainly aren't paying top dollar just to have a nice taste in your mouth when it comes down to smoking...
Even then, passing around a bong seems to be much more of a social ritual than messing with papers and emptying out dutchmasters.
Yes, I would. There are plenty of occasions when you're so intoxicated that you know smoking more cannabis will not yield noticeable effects, but you do it anyway because you just enjoy smoking. I often buy hash that I know is, in terms of effect, worse value than the skunk I could buy for the same money, but I prefer smoking the hash. I would certainly smoke hash even if it didn't get me high. I think what you're guilty of here is identifying what you consider to be irrational, and assuming that any other rational person would feel the same. We are all different.
Hah, this thread is great. Yerg used the word "Amerindians" - you must have got a hold of one of those crappy American history books (American = the Americas).
Everyone I know rolls with a roach (the word "filter" is a pet peeve of mine - why call it a filter if it doesn't actually filter anything out? Probably comes from cigarette terminology) in a cone shape, normally an L. For blunts, people here pretty much use strictly Century Sams, Phillys or Backwoods. No one uses the artificial flavored crappy "blunt wraps" which I believe is common in the USA. Roaches in blunts really depend on the mood, but cigars are stiff enough that if you leave a space in between the end and the weed it works just as fine as if you had a roach.
Tobacco depends on who your smoking with. I personally love tobacco in joints, even though I hate and rarely smoke cigarettes. As for papers, me and my friends use Randys (so glad they were mentioned in this thread
sad downside is you can't roll L's with them), Zig-Zags (for L's) and Rizzla's (Blues, Kingskins - heard those are popular among the british 
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As for passing up on a joint, while I was in Australia I had to do it a couple of times. The person who offered me the joint put in a cigarette filter in the end of the joint! I don't really have much problem with that if I was smoking alone (but I'd never do it), but when you get offered a joint which has a filter which is a nasty brown tinge to it due to another person smoking out of it, it's gross!
Everyone I know rolls with a roach (the word "filter" is a pet peeve of mine - why call it a filter if it doesn't actually filter anything out? Probably comes from cigarette terminology) in a cone shape, normally an L. For blunts, people here pretty much use strictly Century Sams, Phillys or Backwoods. No one uses the artificial flavored crappy "blunt wraps" which I believe is common in the USA. Roaches in blunts really depend on the mood, but cigars are stiff enough that if you leave a space in between the end and the weed it works just as fine as if you had a roach.
Tobacco depends on who your smoking with. I personally love tobacco in joints, even though I hate and rarely smoke cigarettes. As for papers, me and my friends use Randys (so glad they were mentioned in this thread
sad downside is you can't roll L's with them), Zig-Zags (for L's) and Rizzla's (Blues, Kingskins - heard those are popular among the british ).As for passing up on a joint, while I was in Australia I had to do it a couple of times. The person who offered me the joint put in a cigarette filter in the end of the joint! I don't really have much problem with that if I was smoking alone (but I'd never do it), but when you get offered a joint which has a filter which is a nasty brown tinge to it due to another person smoking out of it, it's gross!
TearItDown
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Hah, this thread is great. Yerg used the word "Amerindians" - you must have got a hold of one of those crappy American history books (American = the Americas).
Everyone I know rolls with a roach (the word "filter" is a pet peeve of mine - why call it a filter if it doesn't actually filter anything out? Probably comes from cigarette terminology) in a cone shape, normally an L. For blunts, people here pretty much use strictly Century Sams, Phillys or Backwoods. No one uses the artificial flavored crappy "blunt wraps" which I believe is common in the USA. Roaches in blunts really depend on the mood, but cigars are stiff enough that if you leave a space in between the end and the weed it works just as fine as if you had a roach.
Tobacco depends on who your smoking with. I personally love tobacco in joints, even though I hate and rarely smoke cigarettes. As for papers, me and my friends use Randys (so glad they were mentioned in this thread
As for passing up on a joint, while I was in Australia I had to do it a couple of times. The person who offered me the joint put in a cigarette filter in the end of the joint! I don't really have much problem with that if I was smoking alone (but I'd never do it), but when you get offered a joint which has a filter which is a nasty brown tinge to it due to another person smoking out of it, it's gross!
Try Royal Blunts. Best wrap out there. Platinums always rip and are pretty shitty other than the fact that they taste decent. Royal blunts burn slower and taste better and don't rip. I prefer wraps over normal blunts because I'm not trying to smoke a lot of tobacco leaf.
No, what makes you say that? What better term might I have used? "Native Americans" implies reference to the inhabitants of what is now the USA; and I didn't want to pick out the area covered by any one particular modern-day country.
yagecero
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Hang on there man - that is definitely not regular practice among my friends. Interesting that you were the first person to mention an L - which is the way I used to roll, but have adapted somewhat. All I see here is a lot of shit talking - although I have to admit that I've never met anyone from The States that can roll. For the record, I roll green joints (not the norm in my country at all), but that's because I quit tobacco last year.
I agree that in general, a bit of tobacco (around 20% ) definitely makes for a more even burn, but also agree with the guy from The States that said something along the lines of: If your weed is cured properly, while rolling all green you can get a slow and even burn. A burn which I would say is comparable to rolling with a bit of tobacco.
Why doesn't everyone upload a series of photos showing their method of rolling, or even just their final result? I vote for Europeans (including those from the UK, which includes my country by the way) over people from The States without even seeing their skills here - I've had too many dreadfully rolled spliffs/joints/whatever-the-fuck-you-call-them in Latin America from North American hands to ignore fact. hahaha, yes this is my Australian version of "trash talking" %)
Glowing aaron
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Ls here are just a joint you rol when you dont have king size papers. On the point of social smoking I find a group of friends roll up numerous zoots pass em round play a few games on them. Like 321 stonner1-9 and get really high a lot more social than all hitting a bong. It's a culture grinding rolling sparking and passing around.
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muvolution
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I don't mind smoking in groups, but get your own fucking joint, this one is mine.
I would seriously rather roll 2 j's and give one to everyone else to smoke so that I could smoke mine without anyone else's slobber on it.
I would seriously rather roll 2 j's and give one to everyone else to smoke so that I could smoke mine without anyone else's slobber on it.
The only time I've heard that term was when I was reading a book from the 60's on the Americas. Generally - atleast where I'm from - it is not politically correct to call anyone from the America's an "Amerindian", because from my experience they take offense to that.
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I've always rolled my joints with a little cardboard filter. Nice to hold on to, and you can burn it all the way so you don't have to save up generation roaches (if I want something dank and nasty from way back I'll scrape my bong). Likewise, they've always also been narrow at the tip and fat towards the end, shaped like a baseball bat, out of long papers.
Growing up in Thailand, the norm was to smoke pure joints. The weed was dirt cheap and didn't blow you away with its potency so diluting it didn't make any sense, either. When I got back to Europe and smoked bud here I realized that most people mixed with tobacco (even in bongs and pipes) and I started doing so too.
I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do add a little fraction of tobacco (toasted with a flame 'til it almost burns - gets a lot of nicotine and other crap out) to my weed. Pure weed makes me cough quite easily which I don't like, and a small amount of tobacco makes it slightly softer on the throat. Since the weed I smoke is usually strong, it's also wasteful to roll those big fat ol' joints like I used to in Thailand, but since I like doing it that way I add a bit of tobacco. Also, when I'm out drinking and stuff, I'll roll joints with more tobacco because in my drunken stupor I'll end up sparking one every 30 minutes anyway.
). Likewise, they've always also been narrow at the tip and fat towards the end, shaped like a baseball bat, out of long papers.Growing up in Thailand, the norm was to smoke pure joints. The weed was dirt cheap and didn't blow you away with its potency so diluting it didn't make any sense, either. When I got back to Europe and smoked bud here I realized that most people mixed with tobacco (even in bongs and pipes) and I started doing so too.
I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do add a little fraction of tobacco (toasted with a flame 'til it almost burns - gets a lot of nicotine and other crap out) to my weed. Pure weed makes me cough quite easily which I don't like, and a small amount of tobacco makes it slightly softer on the throat. Since the weed I smoke is usually strong, it's also wasteful to roll those big fat ol' joints like I used to in Thailand, but since I like doing it that way I add a bit of tobacco. Also, when I'm out drinking and stuff, I'll roll joints with more tobacco because in my drunken stupor I'll end up sparking one every 30 minutes anyway.
rincewindrocks
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Native American refers to anyone in the Americas who is Native....duh. Around here, we dont even bother with the "american" part, we just call them natives...seems to be more respectful around here, although I understand if people in other parts of the Americas would take offense
psychomimetic
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Man, you just blew my mind. I've never seen or even thought of putting a roach into a blunt for some reason. That's simply not done here, ever. I can see why you would, although I pretty much always roll mine tight enough that no weed will fall out of the end into my mouth. People down here usually use swishers, but some use white owls and a few other kinds every so often.
psychomimetic
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This is 100% off topic but I think Mayans and members of Mexican, Central and South American tribes are also Native Americans, as are Canadian Natives. Native American and American Indian are both considered acceptable terms here, but Amerindian would be seen as at best antiquated and at worst offensive.
Really, the term can be used as a blanket term for all indigenous peoples of the Americas, or for specifically referring to the indigenous peoples in what is now the United States. So, you're both right really.
Newbierock
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Thought this was joint rolling discussion, not native american trivia quiz hour.
& Wanna ask why americans don't tend to go for the cone shape when they roll? I Always thought it was simple science. the further it burns down the harsher it gets, so as it gets thinner the harshness is reduced.
if you get me, might not make sense i've smoked a couple of my cone shaped badboys
& Wanna ask why americans don't tend to go for the cone shape when they roll? I Always thought it was simple science. the further it burns down the harsher it gets, so as it gets thinner the harshness is reduced.
if you get me, might not make sense i've smoked a couple of my cone shaped badboys
psychomimetic
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I think it's because joints that are cone shaped smoke more at the end, whereas a cylinder shaped joint will release the same amount of smoke all the way down, resulting in less waste. At least, that's why I usually don't smoke cones, although the waste is probably negligible.
Other then that, I dunno. Probably because most people here just happen to roll cigarette shaped joints, and so everyone follows suit. Herd mentality, so to speak.
Other then that, I dunno. Probably because most people here just happen to roll cigarette shaped joints, and so everyone follows suit. Herd mentality, so to speak.