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MDPV - So how dangerous is it?
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Junkie-Wino-Creep
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Hah, I have similiar thoughts regarding MDPV, but maybe not to that extreme. I do find it has a varying 'sweet spot' when the high becomes very fun/rewarding. Often it won't be until hours – at times, days – after I start dosing. It always feels like I have to always wade through the first few waves of dosing to get to the good part, though. Hence the excessive binging that ensues...
I'd really like to know what the hell "Stimulant red-hands syndrome" is, as I've got it bigtime again. Thought I heard someone mention vasoconstriction, but my feet/hands aren't cold, veins look pretty normal and have been popping lots of L-Arginine. So why do my hands get much redder than usual when I'm running with PV?
IMO it gets weird when smoking/vaping is the primary ROA. Things seem cool here now at hour 49, but between about ~18 and ~40 it was punding, all punding and nothing but punding. The usual "I disappeared into editing and re-editing a photoshop caption and emerged 5 hours later wondering what the hell just happened and how much time had passed".
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ebola?
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It sounds like capillary vasoconstriction is causing this persisting redness/flushing.
ebola
ebola
I guess that would be the most likely explanation where a stim is involved... it certainly isn't vasodilation, anyway.
The trouble with getting things like this while high on stims is identifying whether it's an actual physical problem or more involved with how the drug affects your mind. I don't mean outright hallucinations, but delusional perceptual alterations common to stimulants. E.G. colors can look much more vivid than they really are and "not right". Add any sleep deprivation and the situation is even more confusing, particularly if one lives alone and doesn't immediately have someone else to check with.
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Yeah, that's typically how I know it's worn off after a binge... very warm hands/feet. Gotta be pretty bad for you to remain in a state of vasoconstriction for several days/nights straight.
ebola?
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MDPV certainly 'feels' as if it has a lot of peripheral adrenal activity, but who knows?
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My prescription is to take care to inhere in known safe levels of dosage and to avoid skipping more than a single night of sleep. Within this window of safety, it is possible to consciously avoid doing things like checking one's pulse (over and over) or checking for dangerous vasoconstriction. This limits loops of paranoia or anxiety.
However, once one moves to vaporization, these kinds of heuristics become extremely difficult to maintain.
ebola
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My prescription is to take care to inhere in known safe levels of dosage and to avoid skipping more than a single night of sleep. Within this window of safety, it is possible to consciously avoid doing things like checking one's pulse (over and over) or checking for dangerous vasoconstriction. This limits loops of paranoia or anxiety.
However, once one moves to vaporization, these kinds of heuristics become extremely difficult to maintain.
ebola
Probably because "taking MDPV" isn't really the issue, it's "taking MDPV heavily for a long time". Comes with the territory often enough that people tend to start attributing such issues to the drug instead of the overall situation.
pofacedhoe
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look- if you go over, dose and take more than necessary because of redose compulsion then maybe you will have vasoconstriction.
if you dont it shouldn't be such an issue
if you dont it shouldn't be such an issue
Agreed. Most of PV's problems stem from ROA's like smoking/IV'ing, and/or large doses, continued for long periods -- which can fuck you up royally in any number of unpleasant ways, albeit usually temporarily.
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change-jug
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Spot on!
Kenaz
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(A) MDPV is an extremely safe stimulant.
(B) Its users are dangerous f*cking lunatics... beware of them.
Speaking as someone who got one of the most thorough ass-kickings of my life at the hands of Mistress MDPV:
- MDPV appears to be remarkably easy on the circulatory system. The corpses would be piling up like kindling wood if it weren't. People have taken 100+ times an active dosage and have not suffered heart attacks, strokes, lost digits due to vasoconstriction, etc.
- I did note some very scary Parkinson's-like symptoms after usage - tongue-flopping, jerks and other shit I normally associate with antipsychotics and tardive dyskinesia. I suspect that this could become a major issue with sustained and heavy usage.
- This shit is insanely compulsive when you start smoking/vaporizing it. I didn't run into trouble until I started hitting the pipe - but once I did it was all over from there.
- While it may be less cardiotoxic than many other stimulants, it is no less likely to induce stimulant/sleep deprivation psychosis. And because it's cheap and easy to acquire, you get lots and lots and LOTS of reports from people who found themselves spiraling out of control.