Any long time opiate users ?

^ I dont want to sound discouraging in that post. You have to do what all the other addicts do to have fulfillment in life (and I know many who were successful). Find activities you enjoy like biking, parachuting (not drugs), fixing up a car, affordable mini-vacations close to your city or town, rock climbing etc. Thats what I'm working on in life. Find other ways to make yourself feel good. Even doing other drugs can cause you to relapse. Dedicated ex-addicts dont drink or anything.

I wish you the best of luck and I hope you find happiness in other ways!!
 
Havent been using long but I do have some comments to add. Curt Cobain was a rich & famous singer doing all the heroin he wanted & that didnt stop him from commiting suicide. There are people out there that are happy with doing opiates all their lives & living a productive life but I highly doubt it would be alot of them. Eventually the opiate you were using will stop working the way it was working before for you that was making you contempt with how life was treating you.

There are productive alcoholics that drink all their lives & do it well. Probably half of the House & Senate & im sure there are opiate productive members of society that do well also. Doctors, nurses, lawyers & judges that are life time opiate users. Can they sustain the habit all their lives & be happy is the major question. I would say it is slim, very slim.
 
TheLostBoys, those very slim few you are talking about I can guarantee were successful BEFORE or during the start of the addiction. I know a guy who works at a car dealership, DRUNK, but functions totally fine. The truth is, he CANT function without it, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have problems mentally or at home. 100% of the many long-term addicts I know have NOTHING good going for them right now. You dont become successful, you lose what you've worked for...
 
i think money and the illeagality of drugs like heroin are the two main things that stop addicts from continuing to use.................running out of money or getting locked up ..........and i think that is what it takes for most dope users to end up getting clean unless they are somehow forced by their family or really get sick and tired of living that life , but i think it takes most a LONG time before they are just sick of it and i think most dont decide they want to get clean before the consequences happen........i know very few dope users who can get thru the sickness on the streets when they have a way to get their drug of choice..............i know jail didnt work for me because i did almost 2 yrs but still ended up using again when i got out.........i also think a lot of users, (especially of opiates) suffer from depression and use opiates as a way of self medicating themselves because they feel no anti depressant or counseling or Aa or na meetings will help.....plus it takes a lot more effort to do all those things.......in end it pays off more but its a hell of a lot easier to spend your money , sniff/shoot your dope, and forget about all the things in life that bother you. Wouldnt it be nice if they could create a drug as good as dope that you could use and stop anytime without withdrawal ?

It's completely different when you come out of prison. I know so many people that do this, locked up for a bit, get clean, then come out and use straight away. Mostly because they are not working some sort of recovery program. Addicts need a recovery program in my opinion, whether it be SMART, RATIONAL RECOVERY, NA (I prefer this) or whatever... its very hard on your own.

Its not just about going to meetings, it really is a program of action. I see some people who come to the meetings I go to, but that's it, they just come, sit through, then go home, and they dont seem to be getting better, clean, but just not getting better. It's a program of action, just going to meetings then nothing is gonna change other than your understanding of yourself.

I mean, just understanding about myself isn't going to keep me clean, I have to put the action in, otherwise nothing changes. You've heard the corny slogan "nothing changes if nothing changes" right? well just that little saying said to me by a really cool Trinidadian guy really changed everything for me once, as I suddenly understood what it meant!

Just getting clean and soley that isn't gonna make you regain contentment and happiness. It's about putting action in, facing fears, getting connected to people again (fellowship great for this), learning about your behaviours and changing them, learning new skills, going back to school, getting new jobs etc... Happiness and contentment doesn't come from just sitting around being clean. A lot of people think they are depressed, when they are sitting around at home watching tv, wondering why they are depressed, justifying the need for drugs to make them feel better. To live content in this life you have to work for it, put the action in, work towards a mind,body,spirit balance, get creative, help other people, try out new stuff...

I see so many people get clean, then within a few weeks come up with some explanation to why they are different from everyone else and slowly but surely trick themselves into using drugs again and 90% of the time end up in desperation and despair again within weeks, even days!

7 months ago I was living on a mattress on the floor of my parents house, in complete isolation (apart from parents + internet + dealer), in a totally desperate place where I just couldn't stop using, depressed, paranoid, thought I was doomed forever. Now everything has changed. Externally I got my own flat, buying a car next week, got a job as a support worker for drug charity yesterday, loads of new friends, etc,etc, internally I am working towards contentment, i feel generally pretty good, more confident, times of laughter and happiness, becoming more spiritual, feel alive again, so much more...... BUT if I had managed to detox myself at parents house and somehow white knuckled through and stayed clean on my own with no program, I bet I'd still be there, on that mattress, still depressed, still paranoid, still isolated with nothing changed externally either. I had to make a lot of changes internally and there is no way in hell I could have done it all without a recovery program (na), and without putting in the action to make changes!

Take a challenge Jake, give it 6 months working solid recovery program, put some action in, take risks, have some faith, face fears, try out new stuff, then see how you feel! I promise you if you do these things, you will be in a much better place in 6 months time.

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why is it so damn hard ? i remember one time i had over a year clean and still was miserable. i never could force myself to work all the steps or use a sponser how you need to . i always have had depression and seeems to always get the best of me...........
 
Jake I think you're just making it hard because you want an excuse to use opiates.

Just think about this logically. WHAT are you saying is difficult? Living life sober?
By definition you then imply that life on opiates is actually easier. And my question obviously would be was it? You did nothing but complain and complain when you were using, and could always direct that anxiety towards drugs. And I'm sure drugs were causing or have overtime led to the majority of problems you have.

You can say you had depression before opiates, but you cant say you'd still have it if you never starting using again. Eventually you might have done something to fight it, like start eating healthy, work out, and get a job you actually enjoy, but instead we become complacent and just like to exist - no more no less.

Its normal to be depressed fresh off opiates, but its also normal to just be depressed. I'm assuming that you got a little depression going on from sobriety, and then some more depression thats being caused from the anxiety of what the future holds and whether you'll be happy or not. But you need to understand like me, on a fundamental level you were likely more depressed on opiates then you would ever be off them.
I just don't believe that for a second you were ever really happy on them. All they did was kill your soul to the point where you never cared if you were happy.

When you wrote "I remember I had over a year clean and was still miserable" are you forgetting that you were 10times more miserable on the opiates? Or were you the same? Either way it doesn't matter. What matters is you keep getting depressed, and you can assume its genes, or that your broke, but it won't matter one fucking bit if you don't at least fight it. We need to struggle often times to get to any place we consider worth it. What were you doing it that year sober to make your life "worth it"?

I think you need something to strive for in life. What ever happened with your degree? Why don't you start working to become a chef or something?
Also, the steps aren't going to make or break you. I think they exist just to get people in the habit of focusing on small step by step improvements. Like you just don't go get a job, you focus on the interview first. Or you don't just become happy, you get a job, make friends, and slowly build a stable life overtime that makes you feel grounded.

What I'm saying is I don't really know wtf you've been doing lately. And idle hands are the devils workshop. What are you doing with your life besides NA? I'm serious I always ask you questions on here but you rarely answer them. Something tells me if you started thinking about your career, and doing something that would pay better than your typical past time jobs, that your mood would instantly improve.
Contact companies and just go on interviews. Work is extremely and I mean extremely important for emotional health. Saving for a house or just having the ability to buy things you want. People often say money doesn't buy happiness but people are also not always geniuses. I'm psyched you've got clean, but if you don't make some major types of behavoiral changes nothing is going to randomly make you happy one day. And if your just expecting to be happy for no reason I'd also say thats unrealistic. I know the buddists would love to disagree with me right now but I'm just being real.

Its as simple imo as DOING SOMETHING but more importantly SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Do you know what the phrase "self expansion" means? Read about it, I think you are lacking quite a bit in that regard (as well as myself). Humans need to grow, adapt, face fears, evolve, move on to new things, its that whole self expansion theory in psychology. W/out it, many people just aren't happy for no reason.

I don't think sobriety is hard. I mean I think the first few months can be challenging but anything new or different from using can be exciting/addicting all on in its own right. Using opiates you were never happy, so to continue telling yourself "I was never happy sober" I think is a lie. Although I think you may have been depressed during sobriety, I still think you were happier than you ever were not sober. You likely just never made the ACTIONS to improve yourself.

At a certain point its not how much we think or whether we can figure out all these mysteries in life, at a certain point we just need to STFU and start doing things. I also don't mean to sound harsh but really, its just the truth. I waste so much time everyday thinking about doing things, w/out ever actually doing much of anything. But I have been making small efforts in a lot of ways, and thats so far had a very profound effect on my mood. You got to make an effort bro. Otherwise you can go back to being miserable and on opiates anytime you want. Noones stopping you. You have to find the reasons not to for yourself. And in order to find those reasons you got to at least look for them first. So like I said, what are your plans for work? Are you looking for another crappy part time job thats gonna make you want to use, or are you considering the fact that you now have a degree and can do something different/more rewarding in life?
 
why is it so damn hard ? i remember one time i had over a year clean and still was miserable. i never could force myself to work all the steps or use a sponser how you need to . i always have had depression and seeems to always get the best of me...........

Once you initially make the changes you need to it becomes easier, that is my experience. It is hard, I agree with you, but I promise you it is so worth it!

Just think about this logically. WHAT are you saying is difficult? Living life sober?
By definition you then imply that life on opiates is actually easier.

Exactly! This is the insanity of addiction. Repeating the same mistakes, expecting different results.
 
I was a user/abuser/addicted for more than 8 years. Caused by a pain management doctor that would rather throw pills at me than to actually do his job. I was up to 20 norco a day.

I have been opiate free for over 4 years. No desire to take them. Very, Very, Very happy to be off them. It was so stressful having to make sure that I had my meds, to keep from going into withdrawls. It was exhausting. I still have chronic pain, but able to manage it without the use of opiates.

Good Luck
 
I was a user/abuser/addicted for more than 8 years. Caused by a pain management doctor that would rather throw pills at me than to actually do his job. I was up to 20 norco a day.

I have been opiate free for over 4 years. No desire to take them. Very, Very, Very happy to be off them. It was so stressful having to make sure that I had my meds, to keep from going into withdrawls. It was exhausting. I still have chronic pain, but able to manage it without the use of opiates.

Good Luck

very inspiring story for ppl who suffer from pain and addiction. :)
 
I have to say, this is a great thread. You guys have given some pretty fantastic advice, inspiring even. I've currently been on a taper dose of PST for about the last 3 weeks or so. Although I'm not experiencing any physical withdrawal yet, I am experiencing a lot of depression because I'm not getting high anymore. Just doing barely enough to stave off WD every 24 hours.

I quit once a few months ago, cold turkey with help from my girlfriend who basically found out my dark secret (cause I accidentally left out a receipt for $20 worth of poppy seeds lol). She was the first person to find out about my addiction and her finding out was a huuuge relief. I now had the motivation and help I needed to quit. Well, I made it two weeks and dosed again. I lied about being on it right to my girlfriends face only to find out I had poppy seeds stuck in my teeth... I told her that from now on, if I ever had a moment of weakness and dosed, that I would tell her about it. Well, long story short I dosed another two times without telling her and she found out. She broke up with me (I don't blame her), kicked me out of the apartment and gave me the weekend to find a new place to live (or she'd tell everyone about my addiction). So I moved in with my friend and fell back HARD on the tea. About twice as much as I was ever using before, just to kill the pain, guilt and bottomless regret I felt. I've still managed to keep it a secret from everyone else, and now I finally feel like it's time to quit for good.

So here I am now. On a once-a-day dose about the quarter of the size of the dose I used to do twice a day, and I feel good. I already feel a lot more clear-headed and overall physically decent. But the depression is getting bad, I need to do something different because last time it got the best of me. I want to go to meetings and groups but I have to also keep in on the down low. I'm not gonna lie, it was a lot easier being with my girlfriend who at least knew what I was going through. I wish I could just tell my friends about everything, but I just can't do it. I know they'd help me but they'd see me as a completely different person. It's a heavy burden to bear.
 
I don't know what your family situation is or what your health care situation is but it might benefit you by getting on some anti-depressants until you are clean. There is absolutely no way I would have been able to get off the opiates without my anti-depressants. I really didnt feel like I needed "support" I guess because I felt like my addiction was legitimate (due to medical issues). Also, I was at the point where I was done, I didn't want it anymore. I didn't want that in my life anymore and that was that. I am not saying it was easy, but I can honestly say it was the best thing I ever did.

You should be able to find some anonymous 12 step groups in your area? Make friends with someone here that can relate and motivate you. Change is good, maybe her kicking you out is just what you needed for you to realize you need to change your behavior?
 
Here is really the thing. No matter what opiate you use, from hydrocodone to methadone, you will end up in the same place. That is where you are waking up sick every single morning just because you haven't dosed while sleeping. It doesn't matter if you have an infinite and safe supply of any such drug, the fact is that you will find yourself in this very crap situation.
 
my withdrawls were minimal because i controlled my detox .... started at 20 mg on day 21 and every day after that reduced a mg until i was on day one and no methadone. of course you can chose to just keep taking it and stay on what the clinic calls a maint. program but we all know what that means. you are just trading one evil fucking monkey for another.
 
Happiness isn't just one thing. Its not simply a feeling; its a combination of many emotional, spiritual, practical and external influences. Drug addiction attacks and destroys every aspect of that combination. Its a constant shadow over everything.

It takes away freedom. People have died for freedom, have killed, screamed, been locked up, to gain freedom. An addict does all that, and more, to actually destroy freedom. Its fucking perverse; I don't know why I've done this shit for so long- what type of life is it?? Nothing can be satisfactory if you know that mind and body crushing sickness is less then 12 hours away at any given time.

Opiates don't even make people feel 'happy'- you just don't feel 'unhappy'. The opposite of unhappiness is not happiness; its just apathy.

There is no positive outcome to addicition of any form. You will never be able to create something good. The shadow will always be there.

Quitting drugs is hard, but being addicted is a lot fucking harder.
 
Happiness isn't just one thing. Its not simply a feeling; its a combination of many emotional, spiritual, practical and external influences. Drug addiction attacks and destroys every aspect of that combination. Its a constant shadow over everything.

It takes away freedom. People have died for freedom, have killed, screamed, been locked up, to gain freedom. An addict does all that, and more, to actually destroy freedom. Its fucking perverse; I don't know why I've done this shit for so long- what type of life is it?? Nothing can be satisfactory if you know that mind and body crushing sickness is less then 12 hours away at any given time.

Opiates don't even make people feel 'happy'- you just don't feel 'unhappy'. The opposite of unhappiness is not happiness; its just apathy.

There is no positive outcome to addicition of any form. You will never be able to create something good. The shadow will always be there.

Quitting drugs is hard, but being addicted is a lot fucking harder.

Very nicely said *hug*
 
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