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oh no!! the magic??

lostsoul.On.E said:
The whole i dont agree with the magic is bullshit.
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You don't find it interesting that this is apparently an american phrase?

People who have lost the magic fall into two catagories:

1. A break is needed because it is used too frequently and seretonin is not available for a proper roll.

2. The experience has changed and is not as profound any more due to the familiarity.
 
foxyloxy55 said:
You don't find it interesting that this is apparently an american phrase?

People who have lost the magic fall into two catagories:

1. A break is needed because it is used too frequently and seretonin is not available for a proper roll.

2. The experience has changed and is not as profound any more due to the familiarity.
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Truth.
 
foxyloxy55 said:
You don't find it interesting that this is apparently an american phrase?

People who have lost the magic fall into two catagories:

1. A break is needed because it is used too frequently and seretonin is not available for a proper roll.

2. The experience has changed and is not as profound any more due to the familiarity.
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3. Serotonin uptake receptors are destroyed due to oxidization of dopamine in the cells due to serotonin depletion
 
foxyloxy55 said:
You don't find it interesting that this is apparently an american phrase?

People who have lost the magic fall into two catagories:

1. A break is needed because it is used too frequently and seretonin is not available for a proper roll.

2. The experience has changed and is not as profound any more due to the familiarity.
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I understand. But thats what it means to loose the magic. Either you have abused it too much and your tolerance/lack of serotonin wont allow you to roll or the feeling of rolling is no longer magical, meanining you are too familiar with the feeling. So where is the BS?
 
dudemantom said:
I like how you said three weeks like it was a lot:p
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^

Took the words right out of my mouth. No wonder your roll was shitty xD. Take a break for a few MONTHS, and revisit the wonderful land of MDMA. You'll see why it's worth the wait.
 
foxyloxy55 said:
People who have lost the magic fall into two catagories:

1. A break is needed because it is used too frequently and seretonin is not available for a proper roll.

2. The experience has changed and is not as profound any more due to the familiarity.
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Had a seriously long break.. still don't enjoy MDMA anymore.. I do think it's caused some permanent changes in my brain even if the only way it presents itself is how MDMA makes me feel these days.

5 years ago.. loved it.

Abused it to the max.

Long break (using a few times a year for a couple years)..

Still don't like it..

De3eD said:
3. Serotonin uptake receptors are destroyed due to oxidization of dopamine in the cells due to serotonin depletion
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Indeed.
 
lostsoul.On.E said:
I understand. But thats what it means to loose the magic. Either you have abused it too much and your tolerance/lack of serotonin wont allow you to roll or the feeling of rolling is no longer magical, meanining you are too familiar with the feeling. So where is the BS?
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The BS is that no other drug has a special phrase to describe these things. Acid, Weed, Alcohol.. these experiences all change over time as you do them more and become more familiar with them. MDMA is no different... the experience the 20th time will not seem as profound as the first because of experience. I smoked weed pretty much daily for about 9 years. These days, I don't really enjoy it that often. The high has changed for me, and now it just makes me tired, which I find unenjoyable. Did I lose the magic?

The problem with using this phrase is what it conveys to new users. How many times have we seen a "OMG 3rd time user, have I lost the magic?" thread on here. People hear this so much that they become afraid they aren't feeling it as much as the last time and once that thought is in your head, how can you really enjoy a roll?

Magic isn't real. MDMA induces a chemical reaction in the brain. There is nothing magical about it, it's just science, and there are a large number of drugs that produce a variety of reactions. Some of us who have been around for a while are a little sick of hearing this overused phrase.
 
foxyloxy55 said:
The BS is that no other drug has a special phrase to describe these things. Acid, Weed, Alcohol.. these experiences all change over time as you do them more and become more familiar with them. MDMA is no different... the experience the 20th time will not seem as profound as the first because of experience. I smoked weed pretty much daily for about 9 years. These days, I don't really enjoy it that often. The high has changed for me, and now it just makes me tired, which I find unenjoyable. Did I lose the magic?

The problem with using this phrase is what it conveys to new users. How many times have we seen a "OMG 3rd time user, have I lost the magic?" thread on here. People hear this so much that they become afraid they aren't feeling it as much as the last time and once that thought is in your head, how can you really enjoy a roll?

Magic isn't real. MDMA induces a chemical reaction in the brain. There is nothing magical about it, it's just science, and there are a large number of drugs that produce a variety of reactions. Some of us who have been around for a while are a little sick of hearing this overused phrase.
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Yes the phrase is overused but it is simply the easiest way to describe it. Certainly not the best way since it could be a number of reasons why the magic is gone but the feeling is generally more or less the same.

However, I think mdma is an exception where the magic can be lost not just from familiarity, but from your body simply rejecting the drug as much as it can and telling the user to stop using it. There is of course all the science behind that but saying that as is makes it as simple to understand as saying "Losing the magic" does.
 
De3eD said:
Yes the phrase is overused but it is simply the easiest way to describe it. Certainly not the best way since it could be a number of reasons why the magic is gone but the feeling is generally more or less the same.

However, I think mdma is an exception where the magic can be lost not just from familiarity, but from your body simply rejecting the drug as much as it can and telling the user to stop using it. There is of course all the science behind that but saying that as is makes it as simple to understand as saying "Losing the magic" does.
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You're missing the point. There is no science behind permanently "losing the magic". Your body doesn't just reject the drug forever because you've done it a lot in the past. If you "lost the magic" you just need a 6 or more month break. Either that or you just don't enjoy the high anymore. Magic...
 
shiznik said:
You're missing the point. There is no science behind permanently "losing the magic". Your body doesn't just reject the drug forever because you've done it a lot in the past. If you "lost the magic" you just need a 6 or more month break. Either that or you just don't enjoy the high anymore. Magic...
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De3eD said:
3. Serotonin uptake receptors are destroyed due to oxidization of dopamine in the cells due to serotonin depletion
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Did you not read my post shiznik? I've gone on seriously long breaks and i still no longer enjoy MDMA.. it's made some very long lasting / permanent damage.. I noticed i didn't get much from a pretty high doses of aMT which someone said could be because of my past MDMA abuse.

Also to the person saying that there is no phrase like "magic" for any other drug. No other drug feels "magic" the first few times you take it. Psychedelics maybe but even then it could go both ways and i never got any magic feelings from shrooms / lsd / bromo-dragonfly / 2cx's.. With MDMA my outlook on life and the world (on and off mdma) changed in such a major and positive way that magic is the only word i could use to describe it.. Coke, amphetamine, opiates, gabaergics.. none of them feel as life changing and positive as the first few MDMA uses.. That's why nobody uses a phrase to describe the first few uses of them. Also.. the affect doesn't change as drastically with these drugs after abuse than MDMA.
 
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