Methadone Vs. Subs,Dosing,Energy Levels

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Not me, I wish it would make me tired, but actually tonight is the first time i think i can actually sleep. Wake up nice and early tomorrow. I dont know ifmost clinics do this but I get a take home on sunday because they are closed.

How about other clinics for you guys. Do you get your take home on sundays?

Yeah, I always got take homes on Sunday. The longer I stayed and the longer I was clean I'd get another take home. Like after a couple months they gave me both Saturday and Sunday take homes. Months later I got 3 day take homes and I was allowed to pick which day of the week. is when I believe I got week take homes After being there for 18 months I got two week homes. That was great because I didn't have to wake up at 5am every morning and drive 30 minutes there. And then 30 minutes back.

 

[SubDude]

To each is own... One persons love of MMT is anothers hate. Same with subs. I thought I hated methadone too [after 15+ yrs] but I realized how much I actually liked it after switching to subs. The trick for me was after getting 2wk takehomes [eventually 27days]... I self tapered down to where I was OK [about like now on subs] on half the clinic dose.

This allowed me to have fun a couple of times a week by double downing my dose. This kept me energized enough to walk disneyworld for 6-8 hrs with kids [was late 40's-early 50's then] and afterwards a 10mg valium would bring on a nice nod. I could also play 27 holes of golf with no problem. Now I'm pooped after 9 holes. I fucked it all up with a boxcutter to both wrists... after a divorce forced me to sell biz. That gets you back to daily clinic visits very quickly... or else you try subs. sorry for the rant.

 

[meth78]

Sunday take home

yeah i hate subs they dont do shit for me and im not getting off methadone so i really dont care about withdrawls. Ive tried subs so many times and they did shit for me. I wish i get on methadone so i wouldnt have wated my time taking subs. What people dont understand is everyone os different.I think MMT is better for people who have worse addictions. Ive talked to people at my clinic who went both routes and said subs didnt do anything or work for them either. I was a hardcore drug user so i think mmt suits me better then subs, but im also not saying that subs might work for some hardcore addicts too. WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT AND MMT AND SUBS EFFECT PEOPLE IN DIFF WAYS....

So today i have my take home so i dont have to go tomorrow. I was thinking maybe there would be a little line from people getting there take homes but still nothing. I have yet to even have a single person get meds before me go figure...

Well im still clean and around 2 months clean so we will see , take everyday slow, one day at a time. This is one ofmy biggest problems, im always trying to project the future never living in the present. Would love to hear from you other guys, talking to all of you is good recovery. All of your stories really help me and get me to post here and it helps me get my feelings out.

Have a great weekend guys

 

[meth78]

dam

To each is own... One persons love of MMT is anothers hate. Same with subs. I thought I hated methadone too [after 15+ yrs] but I realized how much I actually liked it after switching to subs. The trick for me was after getting 2wk takehomes [eventually 27days]... I self tapered down to where I was OK [about like now on subs] on half the clinic dose.

This allowed me to have fun a couple of times a week by double downing my dose. This kept me energized enough to walk disneyworld for 6-8 hrs with kids [was late 40's-early 50's then] and afterwards a 10mg valium would bring on a nice nod. I could also play 27 holes of golf with no problem. Now I'm pooped after 9 holes. I fucked it all up with a boxcutter to both wrists... after a divorce forced me to sell biz. That gets you back to daily clinic visits very quickly... or else you try subs. sorry for the rant.

Dam man, if you ever need to talk just hit meup. I lost my marriage too,house,buisness,everything all to mr. brownstone

 

[meth78]

share your story with us subdude,also explain how you were taking your meth when you doubled did you feel a differece

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

From someone who has been on both (like SubDude) I'd have to disagree and say I prefer Suboxone. Methadone really worked at first, I felt normal and had more ambition than usual. A better outlook on life. I felt a little better than normal in fact. Although I did feel sedated often and would nod out during the day once I reached 130mg. Eventually while having to drive 30 minutes back and forth at 5am I got into 2 car accidents on the freeway. Could have died both times. I'd fall asleep at the wheel when driving home after taking my dose. I did eventually get take homes for 2 weeks so I didn't have to go all the time but I had to get my parents to pick me up early morning because I had crashed both of my cars. This was a bitch. Eventually I relapsed down the line. So it didn't work for me.

This is how I weigh out the disadvantages/advantages:

Methadone
- Felt more alive. Better than just feeling "normal". I don't want to say euphoric but a lot better than I had felt in a long time.
- More ambitious

Suboxone
- Much cheaper. Allowed to use insurance while I couldn't with the done. Methadone cost $180 a month while Suboxone visits are $20 and medication about $60.
- Got take homes for a month, not just two weeks. Much more convenient.
- Don't feel so sedated during the day
- Don't crave nearly as much
- Don't crash cars
- Much easier to get off than Methadone. Withdrawals are so much tougher with Methadone. I don't like to vomit.

So there are much more advantages to Suboxone (for me).

 

[meth78]

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great way to put it K'd-OUT-in-AZ, the key think you said was,"FOR ME" but i have tried both too and subs just had me craving all the time... Its so crazy how treatment totally is different for people. I would really like to start a forum hearing peoples treatment and which route they took.

Tonight i took a little extra sip outta my take home, I know I shouldnt have but its Sat...

So K'd Out, when you were on like 70-100 how did you feel, were you still feeling alive or was it when you hit your dose of around 130?

 

[SubDude]

share your story with us subdude,also explain how you were taking your meth when you doubled did you feel a differece

I came back from Vietnam [1971] with a china white H habit [90%+ pure] and slow healing wounds. I was discharged and sent to Miami fla VA hosp where they told me about a new "miracle" drug which would treat pain, depression, and addiction all at once.... and it did, but only for awhile. I used exactly as prescribed. About 6-8 mos later I wanted off and did a quick in-patient detox/taper. However, I've been on and off ever since. Last time was @ 15 yrs from 1994-2009. The thing I've learned is MMT patients rarely get off for good. I've known quite a few and don't know any [still alive] who are "clean". A few have gone to subs but most come back. I've had periods as long as 5 1/2 yrs off everything but something always came up and I went back to the program. The last trigger was a morphine drip over 3 days while passing a kidney stone. After that it was a divorce, lost job/biz, and fathers death all in 6mo period.

The last time I purposely kept my dose lower so I could go up after getting takehomes. Then I upped it a bit so I could stockpile and taper down. After tapering [other than mo clinic visit] I could definitely get a buzz by doubling dose. I fluctuated clinic dose between 80-100mg. We couldn't get Monthlys over 100mg. I was able to function on 50mg though felt like crap when I woke up before dosing. Not really bad WD's just tired and lethargic.

Alcohol and benzos made double dose even better but took away the energized feeling. I use to play the horses and a lot of casino 5 stud poker and the Meth/alcohol helped me enjoy it more. Didn't help my poker game but had more fun and made some good friends. Now I only go about 2-3 times a month... and bet horses online. I hate internet poker.

Anyway... other than taking good financial care of my family [6kids]... I neglected them in most other ways while on MMT. But they always wanted to be with dad. Now I think they look at me as boring... because most of our contact is birthdays, holidays, vacations... and generally when I spend money on them like eating out and movies...etc. But thats OK since I was the same with my dad at their age.

 

[meth78]

Subdude

Dam that H must of been so good, all these people who do Hnow dont really know what they missed back then and how pure it was. You were also in Vietnam and I tip my hat too you, I def would of used if i was over there. War is no joke but i def praise you for bein in the service.

Im on 70mg now and i mean i get energy but my addiction was so bad that I have a really big tolerance. Im allowed whatever my mg is to take home but i just started on Jan 20th again and I def feel,in my case, that MMT is better then subs for me. How much did you taper too before double dosing and how did you feel the next day without your dose you took from the previous day.

I really think theres bupe still left in my system, they say 3 days but i was on it for a month so i think it would take longer to detach from my receptors. I def think given more time i will feel the methadone a little more. My last dose was 8mg of subs on Jan 19th and started Methadone on Jan 20th. Ive read where people waited like 3 weeks for subs to be totally out of there system so we will see.

 

[SubDude]

I tapered to 50mg with my MMT takehomes over a few weeks. I never went a full day without taking at least 50mg. The problem isn't switching from subs to Meth ... it's going from MMT to subs. BTW the subs should be out of you [for methadone purposes] within 3 days. I can take oxys or any other opiate about 12hrs after my last dose and pretty much get the full effects. I'm only on .5mg of subs though and can easily go back to subs after using oxys within 24 hrs. I wouldn't try that with methadone though.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

great way to put it K'd-OUT-in-AZ, the key think you said was,"FOR ME" but i have tried both too and subs just had me craving all the time... Its so crazy how treatment totally is different for people. I would really like to start a forum hearing peoples treatment and which route they took.

Tonight i took a little extra sip outta my take home, I know I shouldnt have but its Sat...

So K'd Out, when you were on like 70-100 how did you feel, were you still feeling alive or was it when you hit your dose of around 130?

At about 70-100g I was still feeling really good. Confidence, increased energy levels, relief of anxiety & an all around feeling of superiority. It was once I went above 100mg when I started to feel pretty sedated. I should have stayed at 90mg, that was a good dose, but I wanted to feel even better so I kept going.

In my situation that became one of the reasons it didn't work for me. I wanted to keep feeling better because it produced an opiate type feeling the more I raised it. I kept craving more. But on Suboxone the more you increase your dose nothing happens, as little as 2mg is enough to feel sort of "normal". It doesn't feel like I'm taking an opiate.

 

[meth78]

Methadone,Subs,Energy Levels,Dosing

I hear you K, the methadone doesnt give me an opiate type feeling but i think my dose is too low. It gives me energy where I cant sleep at night, opiates gave me that effect too. I couldnt sleep when i was in my addiction.I really dont feel sedated or a nod type feeling either.

I dont know ive heard people say they couldnt feel any type of opiate high after about a week or two being on a real long sub maitnence. Once again, everyone is different i know for me, the only time i got clean was for 6 months living in a oxford house. Subs were not allowed so i went there for 6 months and didnt take anything. My friend came over with a 8mg sub and after 6months of being clean i took the sub and was fucked up for 2 days.

But i guess everyone is different im gonna work my way up to 100mg and see how i feel..

I will keep posting, when i go in tomorrow im gonna increase another 5 and so on...

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

I hear you K, the methadone doesnt give me an opiate type feeling but i think my dose is too low. It gives me energy where I cant sleep at night, opiates gave me that effect too. I couldnt sleep when i was in my addiction.I really dont feel sedated or a nod type feeling either.

I dont know ive heard people say they couldnt feel any type of opiate high after about a week or two being on a real long sub maitnence. Once again, everyone is different i know for me, the only time i got clean was for 6 months living in a oxford house. Subs were not allowed so i went there for 6 months and didnt take anything. My friend came over with a 8mg sub and after 6months of being clean i took the sub and was fucked up for 2 days.

But i guess everyone is different im gonna work my way up to 100mg and see how i feel..

I will keep posting, when i go in tomorrow im gonna increase another 5 and so on...

Wow, fucked up for 2 days from Suboxone. I've heard of people saying they can get high from Suboxone. Not me. Methadone didn't give me a buzz or anything but it definitely peeped me up. Well after reaching 100mg I started nodding out a lot, I liked the feeling and I wanted to keep feeling that because if I stayed at one dose I knew I would eventually become tolerant. I just wanted to keep increasing my dose.

I was switched onto Suboxone direct from Methadone at 30mg and it prevented withdrawals. But I've also gone cold turkey from Methadone and suffered the worse withdrawals from any drug I've ever taken. I don't like to puke and I puked plenty.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

I tapered to 50mg with my MMT takehomes over a few weeks. I never went a full day without taking at least 50mg. The problem isn't switching from subs to Meth ... it's going from MMT to subs. BTW the subs should be out of you [for methadone purposes] within 3 days. I can take oxys or any other opiate about 12hrs after my last dose and pretty much get the full effects. I'm only on .5mg of subs though and can easily go back to subs after using oxys within 24 hrs. I wouldn't try that with methadone though.

will you explain because im trying to do this and im a little over 100 102 to be exact. can it be done without a huge puke fest?

 

[meth78]

Choosing MMT Or Subs for LIFE!!!!

Dude i have a huge addiction but when you stop for 6 months and take a Sub or Meth u def will get high trust me...

It peeped you up at around 100mg you said,so pretty much you felt like you were opiates i think that is what you said in one of your posts. See i rather feel like im on opiates to where i felt like a depressed, worthless person on subs.

I have a question---

What would people rather take methadone or subs? But eliminate withdrawls to answer the question. Im asking if someone knew they had to be on something for the rest of their life what would they prefer so answer the question taking withdrawls out of the mix. Say u wouldnt experience withdrawls from either drug,which path would you take?

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

What would people rather take methadone or subs? But eliminate withdrawls to answer the question. Im asking if someone knew they had to be on something for the rest of their life what would they prefer so answer the question taking withdrawls out of the mix. Say u wouldnt experience withdrawls from either drug,which path would you take?

I'd choose the feelings from Methadone if I had to be on it for life because I feel like I'm on opiate which means I feel like a real live functional person. However, I'd relapse because tolerance kicks in and I'd still crave that feeling of being sort of high (sort of, hard to explain). I'd be using on top of the Methadone. It would also be way too expensive and I hate driving 30 minutes away at 5 in the morning crashing my cars to get there all the time.

 

[SubDude]

will you explain because im trying to do this and im a little over 100 102 to be exact. can it be done without a huge puke fest?

Not sure I understand your ?. If your on 102mg MMT you don't even want to try switching to subs unless you can get help from a subs dr. You'll need to probably wait 48-72 hrs and should taper to at least 40mg before trying. To taper down on MMT to get the double down effects you need at least weekly takehomes.

 

[SubDude]

I'm probbaly a "lifer' at this point and would prefer MMT but it has disadvantages. If you can handle the subs without abusing other meds... thats probably the best choice. On MMT I'd only drink booze about 4-5 time a month max... and take benzos about 8-10 times a mon. In fact my dr only gave me ten 10mg valiums a mon on MMT. With subs, I drink and use benzos everyday.

 

[meth78]

No Way Im Switching To Subs

No subs for me and Subdude im a lifer too and im going MMT all the way... I wish i did this years ago I always went to Subs and just relapsed.Im not blaming the subs, but i still had the cravings on the subs.

Today i went up to 75MG and i see the doctor tomorrow. The Counselors are only allowed to up us 5mg where as the doctor can go more. I might just stay at 75mg for a couple days before i go up but havent made a decision. I mean everytime i ask for an increase they dont even question me. But i do think i need to get around 100mg and ill be good, the more i go up the better i feel. I know once the tolerance comes i wont feel as good but when my tolerance came to heroin i really didnt feel good either.

So tomorrow i will see the doctor, its suppose to snow pretty bad here in nj so ill prob get a take home for the snow storm They have been very lenient to the snow stormes, everytime we had take homes so thats cool.

Talk to you guys tomorrow GoodLuck

 

[susieqty1]

enjoyed the notes - I've never done any maint programs, but just have to share this with you 2 -
ever read 'reward deficiency syndrome' ? It explains a lot. dr.'s thought I had Parkinson's, then they didn't & called it Parkinsonism. back and forth. I told my specialist about rewards deficiency syndrome - thats me, and my brain needs the dopamines (chemical brain is lacking), caused from not being nurtured as an infant. I also need endorphans, which I get from my TENS unit. another brain chemical. Can't remember the 3rd. Need more brain chemicals??? lolol. Anyway, I liked the phrase hydro maintenance. I have a LOT of chronic pain - and am on opiate maintenance - lol. Its all in the mix we feed our bodies, it needs those chems after a while, and when you get older, it gets a lot more difficult. I'm backed down to morphine, as the dr. has me on fentanyl patches, which work perfectly! But they didn't stick good, and I went through them too fast, and the mfr. is sending me some patches to put on the patches, lol, to hold them on. They don't seem to have the side effects, don't go through the liver, and don't interract. Perfect! I itch a lot, dry skin, dry mouth, up all night, only sleeping 2 to 3 hours. Thats what opiates to for me. Patches don't do these things - take away just the right amount of pain, etc. I guess I'm in chronic pain, but through my genes, inherited drugs/alcohol. Don't need them anymore, but need to be relieved of too much pain.
thanks for listening - - -