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GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

It depends on the batch too. I had two different batches, both argueing 99.99% pure, and the second one I needed a smaller dose (I have syringes as pipettes, BD 2ml).
 
We've established that batches vary wildy. I've seen people take 2.5mls of chinese in one go, and take it up past 5 in a night, whereas the same from BASF is a fast KO.
There aren't enough blood vessels in the stomach to make it an important part of any absorption. Both hydrophilic and lipophilic chemicals are easily absorbed in the stomach, the difference must occur in the brain at the BBB which has a strong preference for lipophilic chemicals.

Also, after taking GBL once your body increases the levels of lactonase so you can deal with it next time. Low levels mean headaches!
 
Transform said:
GHB and GBL are both class C. If you have a legitimate use then they can't prosecute you.
I imagine the burden of proof lies with them, but I think it would just be a case of, you had it on a night out, you weren't going to clean wheels, *clink*.
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I don't think you can walk about with GHB and a legitamate reason for not getting arrested I am afraid :(
 
MeDieViL said:
Treacle is right, gbl gets quickly absorbed by the stomach lining and then converted in the plasma, occurs within 3 minutes.
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F&B mentioned it being less than ten seconds to be converted to GHB in the bloodstream if memory serves. Given the instahit of GBL compared to the more laid back, graduated lingerings of GHB that sounds about right to me.

Down to my last 20ml or so and getting unpleasantly edgy and twitchy with the drastic tapering plan that necessitates. Hopefully manage to miss the shittiest effects that many get with the ol' binge and purge approach again though.
 
I need to buy some more GBL soon. I must be on my last 30-40ml or so of my 500ml bottle which I got in August. Man that thing lasted way longer than I thought.
 
FlippingTop said:
I don't think you can walk about with GHB and a legitamate reason for not getting arrested I am afraid :(
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Ah yeah, sorry should have distinguished that, have edited.

Thread in ADD about stomach absorption, but you're right it does seem to make sense.

Edit: BASF are rationing production of GBL.
Perhaps this is only in the US?
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Would I get high on dopamine releasing stimulant if I took gbl before it or at the same time? Or do I have to take stimulant first and gbl second to avoid gbl stopping dopamine release? I read here that people use those to simultanously but I also read that gbl stops releasing of dopamine. Thanks.
 
YaniCZka said:
Would I get high on dopamine releasing stimulant if I took gbl before it or at the same time? Or do I have to take stimulant first and gbl second to avoid gbl stopping dopamine release? I read here that people use those to simultanously but I also read that gbl stops releasing of dopamine. Thanks.
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G does not stop dopamine being released in normal doses. It actually does the opposite. Has it never made you talkative and energetic from a normal dose? That's dopamine. In higher doses, there is some evidence that it stops dopamine release. Take your stimulant and G in any order you like. You'll be off your tits either way. If you overdo the G, you will probably pass out, despite the quality of your stimulant.

Just to add, if the dopamine theory was true, then withdrawals would be instantly stopped by benzos or anti-psychotics. Withdrawals are from the downregulation of GABA-b receptors, which is why baclofen and phenibut (GABA-b agonists) stop withdrawals in their tracks, when the other two don't do half as much. The dopamine theory is a crock of shit.
 
FlippingTop said:
GBL, THEN some flake coke.

Best. Feeling. Ever.

(A bit too good tbh...)
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I can imagine that would indeed be pretty fucking good. It's class with speed, yet to try with PV. Methamphetamine & GBL would almost be too much... oh the possibilities of drug combo's never cease to amaze me :D
 
GBL brainzaps = tolerance? After i ran out of memantine the euphoria quickly disappeared and got either shitty effects of bad brainzaps, however after adding in DXM to reverse tolerance to the brainzaps disapeared again and the euphoria is back, did anyone else experience this?
 
Treacle said:
G does not stop dopamine being released in normal doses. It actually does the opposite. Has it never made you talkative and energetic from a normal dose? That's dopamine. In higher doses, there is some evidence that it stops dopamine release. Take your stimulant and G in any order you like. You'll be off your tits either way. If you overdo the G, you will probably pass out, despite the quality of your stimulant.

Just to add, if the dopamine theory was true, then withdrawals would be instantly stopped by benzos or anti-psychotics. Withdrawals are from the downregulation of GABA-b receptors, which is why baclofen and phenibut (GABA-b agonists) stop withdrawals in their tracks, when the other two don't do half as much. The dopamine theory is a crock of shit.
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Yup, GABAB inhibits dopamine, however the GHB receptor releases it, at normal doses the GHB receptor causes most effects, baclofen inhibits dopamine however phenibut does not, wich makes me curious of about its mode of action.
 
Does anyone else find that when taking GBL with stimulants, the GBL is somehow potentiated?
Whilst sober to get a decent effect I need 2.00-2.25ml of GBL.
However whilst on a stimulant, I only need about 1.50ml for the same or a greater effect.
 
goku4ever said:
Does anyone else find that when taking GBL with stimulants, the GBL is somehow potentiated?
Whilst sober to get a decent effect I need 2.00-2.25ml of GBL.
However whilst on a stimulant, I only need about 1.50ml for the same or a greater effect.
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When i'm stimulated I don't really feel the GHB... I use it to take the sharp edges off.

And this thread is awesome, there really is something fishy with that GBL.
 
MeDieViL said:
Yup, GABAB inhibits dopamine, however the GHB receptor releases it, at normal doses the GHB receptor causes most effects, baclofen inhibits dopamine however phenibut does not, wich makes me curious of about its mode of action.
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Apparently, phenibut is structurally similar to PEA, and may share some of its effects. The first time I took it, I had an anxious episode, and a mild speed-like rush, shortly after taking it. This mellowed out, after a bit. I took about three grammes, or more, which was way too much. I have noticed some euphoria at high doses, too.
 
Another bottle comes... and another bottle goes... still not quite getting the full-on w/d though it seems. On the physical side it's just been extreme fatigue - been sleeping 16+ hours a day. The mental/emotional stuff is way worse for me. Not outright depression but just utter blankness, listlessness and morosity. Tis shite. But seems to lift 2-3 days in. Just in time to consider buying the next bottle... :!
 
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