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Could be a brain tumour. Just sayin, is all...
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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022
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love2party
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I have been off suboxone for 6 months, with ocassional opioid use here and there and I still wake up every morning with a dull ache all over my body and head. I believe my headaches are from my blood pressure rising while I'm sleeping because I wake up with a faster than normal heart rate. My aches go away, after
getting up and moving around and drinking a coffee.
laudium
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I just wanted to post about the suboxone films:
The inactive ingredients are mainly polyethylene oxide or PEO or PEG or polyethylene glycol. All the inactives seem safe to inject. I am wondering about this "white ink" Its probably just titanium dioxide.
Anyways. I believe this are WAY safer to inject than the tablets. They require a little more water. But thats a good thing. The more dilute a solution is---the better for your veins and body.
Sorry if someone has already posted this. I wasn't going to read through 21 pages
The inactive ingredients are mainly polyethylene oxide or PEO or PEG or polyethylene glycol. All the inactives seem safe to inject. I am wondering about this "white ink" Its probably just titanium dioxide.
Anyways. I believe this are WAY safer to inject than the tablets. They require a little more water. But thats a good thing. The more dilute a solution is---the better for your veins and body.
Sorry if someone has already posted this. I wasn't going to read through 21 pages
IndustrialStrength
Bluelighter
It's going alright I guess. I'm the brokest I've ever been but besides that..
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
As you'll see from my posts I recently switched back to sub's for the holidays.
Though it wasn't a pleasant switch (PWD) as you'll see in one of my rambling posts.
It was quite the anomaly as you'll see if you read the posts though.
Regardless I seem to have stabilized at 1mg a day for the time being.
It's nice to hear from you as well.
I haven't posted on here as much for a while but am making a bit of a return.
The community here is a great one to be a part of.
It definitely helps being able to communicate with others regarding one's issues.
I'm off to take care of some holiday things but I wanted to reply while I had a minute.
Hope all is well for everyone today & that going into the holidays things are working out for fellow BL'ers.
Had a huge post type up and hit the wrong key and lost it so this will be shorter...I want to comment on the generally accepted "wisdom" that even IV, the naloxone in Suboxone will have no effect.
This is not true, at least for me.
I have had much access to pure injectable buprenex and IV'd it many times; I've also IV'd suboxone just a few times.
Each time with suboxone, I'd get hit almost instantly with the cold anxiety of precipitated withdrawal. About 5 minutes later it would pass and the mild bupe effects would be evident.
This never happened, ever, with buprenex, even if I had a mild habit at the time. I'd get a tiny rush, barely noticeable, and over a ten minute period a gradual bupe "euphoria" would come over me. As much euphoria as you can get anyway from bupe when one has a tolerance.
I had a mild to moderate opiate habit with all those experiences, and either had some sort of opiate or kratom with the preceding 12 hours.
Now when I had no tolerance, 0.3mg bupe IM had me nodding for 12 hours, just to show how strong buprenorphine is.
This is not true, at least for me.
I have had much access to pure injectable buprenex and IV'd it many times; I've also IV'd suboxone just a few times.
Each time with suboxone, I'd get hit almost instantly with the cold anxiety of precipitated withdrawal. About 5 minutes later it would pass and the mild bupe effects would be evident.
This never happened, ever, with buprenex, even if I had a mild habit at the time. I'd get a tiny rush, barely noticeable, and over a ten minute period a gradual bupe "euphoria" would come over me. As much euphoria as you can get anyway from bupe when one has a tolerance.
I had a mild to moderate opiate habit with all those experiences, and either had some sort of opiate or kratom with the preceding 12 hours.
Now when I had no tolerance, 0.3mg bupe IM had me nodding for 12 hours, just to show how strong buprenorphine is.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
I have no idea, and I am sorry to hear you're experiencing this.
The cause could be something entirely different though, I would go to the doctor if this doesn't get any better.
it's been 7 days...
1 MG today and feel alright.. It's been like 8 hours since dose.
did 2 yesterday, 3 the day before, then 4, and before that i was doing like 5-6.
hopefully I can do .5 tomorrow, .25, .1, none.
or should I just stop and see how I feel tomorrow?
jamesBrown
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you need to taper to 0.2mg's or the like and then stay at that dose for up to a month depending on how long you had been taking those 5-6mg doses. this is the only easy way to get off the subs without going through bad WD and without using other drugs.
I maintained on a 0.5mg dose and I could stop whenever I wanted for as long as I wanted, and I did......and now I just dont take them anymore. I may take them again sometime cuz the low doses give me euphoric effects but right now im cool.
caseface99
Bluelight Crew
^^ Awesome dude Grats.
I'm currently completely wasted for the first time in over 6 months, and it's never been more obvious that people claiming to be completely drunk and posting with mad typos are NOT drunk. I have not noticed any less of an ability to spell.....
I also don't understand what people are talking about when they suggest alcohol for opiate withdrawal. I pretty much ran out of kratom saving my last couple pills for the morning, and my suboxone withdrawal is still here. The only difference is I am withdrawing, except withdrawing and wasted rather than just withdrawing. And I have also decided that alcohol differs from other drugs because other drugs i would be withdrawing and not care because I'm high - I'm just withdrawing and wasted. Now I remember why i don't drink.... It's lame.
[/drunken suboxone withdrawal rant]
So yeah, I guess tomorrow I will find out what happens when I am a week and 3sh days without suboxone and run out of kratom. Hopefully it isn't too bad. I'll be Christmas of all days. Though also ironically 100 days since "getting clean". I drank tonight and smoked pot once, but compared to 2 nights without being sober in 100 days compared to 3 years of using drugs i think i am doing good....
Enough drunken rambling, I just hope my christmas day doesn't suck due to suboxone withdrawal. It will be my first morning without kratom since quiting suboxone.
Oh yeah, did i mention i rolled onto my laptop while sleeping last night and destroyed my screen? I'm sure you all know the lovely shit that happens when you put too much pressure on a digital/lcd screen... Lets just saying I'm typing this from the top 1/4 and top 1/2 of that 1/4 of my screen. Awesome.
I'm currently completely wasted for the first time in over 6 months, and it's never been more obvious that people claiming to be completely drunk and posting with mad typos are NOT drunk. I have not noticed any less of an ability to spell.....
I also don't understand what people are talking about when they suggest alcohol for opiate withdrawal. I pretty much ran out of kratom saving my last couple pills for the morning, and my suboxone withdrawal is still here. The only difference is I am withdrawing, except withdrawing and wasted rather than just withdrawing. And I have also decided that alcohol differs from other drugs because other drugs i would be withdrawing and not care because I'm high - I'm just withdrawing and wasted. Now I remember why i don't drink.... It's lame.
[/drunken suboxone withdrawal rant]
So yeah, I guess tomorrow I will find out what happens when I am a week and 3sh days without suboxone and run out of kratom. Hopefully it isn't too bad. I'll be Christmas of all days. Though also ironically 100 days since "getting clean". I drank tonight and smoked pot once, but compared to 2 nights without being sober in 100 days compared to 3 years of using drugs i think i am doing good....
Enough drunken rambling, I just hope my christmas day doesn't suck due to suboxone withdrawal. It will be my first morning without kratom since quiting suboxone.
Oh yeah, did i mention i rolled onto my laptop while sleeping last night and destroyed my screen? I'm sure you all know the lovely shit that happens when you put too much pressure on a digital/lcd screen... Lets just saying I'm typing this from the top 1/4 and top 1/2 of that 1/4 of my screen. Awesome.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Oh fuck man that sucks, I'm so sorry to hear that!
I hate ethanol so I don't drink at all lol.
IndustrialStrength
Bluelighter
I'm also sad to hear your having some shit luck caseface.
I will second you on the ehtanol thing though.
I figured that seeing as I switched to sub's I'd catch a drunk buzz the other night.
Nope, just ended up feeling like shit as usual & got a hangover to boot.
I hadn't drank in over a month & I quickly remembered why.
Odd that 3 glasses of wine would give me a hangover now.
I used to drink like a fish back in the day.
Hell I used to polish off a handle of Jim Beam a day back when I had a dextro-amphetamine habit.
Now even the thought of drinking that much makes me *shudder*.
Admittedly I enjoy good micro-beers but it seems I'm limited to 1 or 2.
No big deal though I guess as I drink them for the taste and/or to accompany food.
I did .75mg as opposed to 1mg yesterday & woke up feeling awful today.
I'd been doing .5mg twice a day and decided to do .5mg then .25mg instead.
Apparently I'm not quite ready for the drop.
But seeing as I only have a few sub's I'm trying to conserve.
Oh well, it's christmas so I just dosed .75mg & I'm hoping it helps.
Really hoping it helps actually as I need to help a family member pack for a trip tomorrow to help my sister move.
If the sub makes me feel better then I can do a lil meth-amp, get up & about & help get shit done.
So finger's crossed, here's hoping!
It seems like the m-amp helps a bit with pain as well as the sub's don't seem to be doing much of anything for my back pain.
Not sure why it would help, maybe it's just because it's a distraction but meh, relief is relief.
Looking forward to using my insurance (WOO GOT INSURANCE!) to get it looked at in the next month or so.
Basically as soon as I can get an appt. with my old doc.
Besides some Tylenol any other ideas for pain relief with sub's?
I am allergic to NSAID's in general so those are out.
I'm working on ordering some kratom but that doesn't help me now.
If I recall I can take some Tramadol on top of sub's but considering Tramadol's propensity to induce seizures it seems like a bad mix with m-amp.
Anytime I do m-amp I take benzo's with it, but still even with benzo's I don't think throwing Tramadol into the mix is a good idea.
Anyways, I've got a few things to do so I'll egress for now.
Happy holidays to everyone & perhaps I'll check back in later.
Hoping everyone is having a wonderful day!
Added after edit:
Actually just thought of something.
Anyone know offhand if DXM or other NMDA antagonists interact with sub's?
I jumped off my DXM for tolerance prevention/reduction regimen that I'd been doing when I switched to sub's.
Wondering whether or not to get back on it now that I'm on sub's.
As besides certain opiates, it still can help me prevent tolerance to amp's/benzo's.
Though the jury is still out on how NMDA antagonists will work out long term.
I'd prefer to use memantine or something similar but for now DXM is the only antagonist I can get my hands on.
Regardless I'm carefully following NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the evidence and anecdotal reports .
If anyone has any input I'd be curious to hear it.
I will second you on the ehtanol thing though.
I figured that seeing as I switched to sub's I'd catch a drunk buzz the other night.
Nope, just ended up feeling like shit as usual & got a hangover to boot.
I hadn't drank in over a month & I quickly remembered why.
Odd that 3 glasses of wine would give me a hangover now.
I used to drink like a fish back in the day.
Hell I used to polish off a handle of Jim Beam a day back when I had a dextro-amphetamine habit.
Now even the thought of drinking that much makes me *shudder*.
Admittedly I enjoy good micro-beers but it seems I'm limited to 1 or 2.
No big deal though I guess as I drink them for the taste and/or to accompany food.
I did .75mg as opposed to 1mg yesterday & woke up feeling awful today.
I'd been doing .5mg twice a day and decided to do .5mg then .25mg instead.
Apparently I'm not quite ready for the drop.
But seeing as I only have a few sub's I'm trying to conserve.
Oh well, it's christmas so I just dosed .75mg & I'm hoping it helps.
Really hoping it helps actually as I need to help a family member pack for a trip tomorrow to help my sister move.
If the sub makes me feel better then I can do a lil meth-amp, get up & about & help get shit done.
So finger's crossed, here's hoping!
It seems like the m-amp helps a bit with pain as well as the sub's don't seem to be doing much of anything for my back pain.
Not sure why it would help, maybe it's just because it's a distraction but meh, relief is relief.
Looking forward to using my insurance (WOO GOT INSURANCE!) to get it looked at in the next month or so.
Basically as soon as I can get an appt. with my old doc.
Besides some Tylenol any other ideas for pain relief with sub's?
I am allergic to NSAID's in general so those are out.
I'm working on ordering some kratom but that doesn't help me now.
If I recall I can take some Tramadol on top of sub's but considering Tramadol's propensity to induce seizures it seems like a bad mix with m-amp.
Anytime I do m-amp I take benzo's with it, but still even with benzo's I don't think throwing Tramadol into the mix is a good idea.
Anyways, I've got a few things to do so I'll egress for now.
Happy holidays to everyone & perhaps I'll check back in later.
Hoping everyone is having a wonderful day!
Added after edit:
Actually just thought of something.
Anyone know offhand if DXM or other NMDA antagonists interact with sub's?
I jumped off my DXM for tolerance prevention/reduction regimen that I'd been doing when I switched to sub's.
Wondering whether or not to get back on it now that I'm on sub's.
As besides certain opiates, it still can help me prevent tolerance to amp's/benzo's.
Though the jury is still out on how NMDA antagonists will work out long term.
I'd prefer to use memantine or something similar but for now DXM is the only antagonist I can get my hands on.
Regardless I'm carefully following NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the evidence and anecdotal reports .
If anyone has any input I'd be curious to hear it.
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wow. the sex. boyfriend and i have been together since January and have had sex almost every day since we got together. we are very attracted to each other...but the last couple of months, he can almost never come due to too much oxy...we both started sub therapy last week and holy shit. the sex is better than ever.
that is all. Merry fucking christmas!
that is all. Merry fucking christmas!
jamesBrown
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beautiful.
2 young love birds fuckin it out hardcore all because of getting off of oxy.....
...the world is such a beautiful place.
caseface99
Bluelight Crew
Oh fuck man that sucks, I'm so sorry to hear that!
I hate ethanol so I don't drink at all lol.
Yeah, I think I'm done with drinking. For good this time. Then again i always say that after getting hammered. Not because it sucks so bad, because it really isn't terrible. It's just not great. I'd choose alcohol over say, a piperazine any day. But I'd choose sobriety over alcohol, which is saying something. Too bad this mindset will only last for a few months like it always does.
I'm fuckin' pissed about my laptop though. I was just considering buying turntables and a mixer n shit, though i can't really afford to buy my music collection on vinyl on top of that so i was planning on using mp3's/CD's which means i sort of need my computer. I might even need it for vinyl too not sure. Oh well. Maybe I'll still have enough money after getting my screen fixed, i do have insurance i just don't know if i have the retard insurance.
At least it's not a mac though, apple insurance omits 'Act's of God' from the criteria for getting something fixed. God strikes down your ipod with lightning? Sucks to be you, because apple doesn't cover it. Literally, read the warranty.
[On-topic]
Anyway, It was christmas and i had been out of kratom for almost 48 hours so i just took some suboxone. My first priority is to buy enough kratom for like a month so i don't have to deal with this again, because a week and a half on kratom wasn't long enough i felt like shit all day and didn't fall asleep until 6am, almost missing christmas haha. Good thing Christmas is the only time of year i get money from my family, since they never know what to buy me. Otherwise i would be totally fucked what with my laptop and needing kratom. Edit - I did roughly a mg or so and i have a nice buzz going on for like the first real time since getting on suboxone, sweet. I couldn't resist, being christmas and all. Fuck withdrawing on christmas... I don't even care if it's a minor set back. like i said i have cash now so I'll be investing in more kratom and some klonopin in a couple days time, so it will be a hell of a lot easier to go the whole length of withdrawal without caving. Plus I'm in jersey right now so i can't get dope in like 3.2343 seconds flat. Back in illinois i can't, so it's not a bad thing that i used bupe anyway. I'd rather not risk buying heroin and fuck up my detox completely.
[/On-topic]
Anyway I'll stop ranting again. I ramble too much when i haven't been posting a lot.
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*=Regulator=*
Bluelighter
I'd have to say alcohol would be one of the worst possible drugs to use during opiate withdrawal. You might get some relief when you're wasted but it will very quickly come back to bite you in the ass when you come down. Withdrawal + hangover =
Thanks to the peeps who commented on my headache / nausea problem. Thinking about it, I should add diarrhea and sneezing to the list of symptoms. I'm definitely going to get a proper work up as soon as possible because I shouldn't be experiencing this after 7+ weeks clean of opiates and other drugs. I hope it's not a brain tumor. That would be the icing on the cake after quitting my job and working my ass off to get clean. I'll post the diagnosis when/if I get one.
Thanks to the peeps who commented on my headache / nausea problem. Thinking about it, I should add diarrhea and sneezing to the list of symptoms. I'm definitely going to get a proper work up as soon as possible because I shouldn't be experiencing this after 7+ weeks clean of opiates and other drugs. I hope it's not a brain tumor. That would be the icing on the cake after quitting my job and working my ass off to get clean. I'll post the diagnosis when/if I get one.
caseface99
Bluelight Crew
^^ Good luck bro. Why do you think it could be a tumor?
I hope you're just being paranoid. Please do report back I genuinely want to hear what happens, I wish you all the best.
I hope you're just being paranoid. Please do report back I genuinely want to hear what happens, I wish you all the best.
catcalls
Bluelighter
^^ Good luck bro. Why do you think it could be a tumor?
I hope you're just being paranoid. Please do report back I genuinely want to hear what happens, I wish you all the best.
Yes, I agree. I was not joking either about the brain tumour. Persistent headaches is a sure symptom of it. Or, you could have blood pressure issues as well...
bwanajzj
Bluelighter
Heroin no more, subutex galore!
I just took my last line of smack (hopefully ever), and am now counting down the hours until the wd's set in. Tomorrow at 9 AM(14 hours from now) the sub clinic opens, and I will be there anxiously waiting like a teenage boy in line for his favourite rock band. I hope I can avoid precipitated wd's, but considering the short half-life of heroin and the fact that I usually feel pretty fucking shitty 8 hours after my last dose, I think I will be fine. The clinic is going to start me off on 4 mg, and monitor me for a few hours to make sure that I have no side effects, and then send me off with a weeks supply of subs, 16 mg per day I hope it covers it. I managed to cut down to 0.5 g heroin per day the past week, so I think I will be good with the prescribed amount, otherwise I'll just ask for more I guess - but according to people in this forum, it seems that I should be more than ok with 16 mg, and that I should actually taper down fast to a low amount, like 4 or 2 mg and stabilize at that... so that's what I'm gonna try do, and then pile up the excess ones like a chipmunk for rainy days (someone else on this forum said something along those lines and that made me burst with laughter, cause I can picture it, and I'm sure we all get the same joy from piling up subs, as chipmunks do with nuts, lol). What a way to go into the new years! Great to already have a new years resolution! Hope those who celebrate it had a wonderful christmas (I did, except for the fact that most family members are drunks, and that sort of pisses me off)! And I will try post during the next couple of days if I need advice or have something intelligent to add to the sub thread, but if I feel like shit and can't post, I would like to wish everyone a wonderful new years before hand!
I just took my last line of smack (hopefully ever), and am now counting down the hours until the wd's set in. Tomorrow at 9 AM(14 hours from now) the sub clinic opens, and I will be there anxiously waiting like a teenage boy in line for his favourite rock band. I hope I can avoid precipitated wd's, but considering the short half-life of heroin and the fact that I usually feel pretty fucking shitty 8 hours after my last dose, I think I will be fine. The clinic is going to start me off on 4 mg, and monitor me for a few hours to make sure that I have no side effects, and then send me off with a weeks supply of subs, 16 mg per day
I hope it covers it. I managed to cut down to 0.5 g heroin per day the past week, so I think I will be good with the prescribed amount, otherwise I'll just ask for more I guess - but according to people in this forum, it seems that I should be more than ok with 16 mg, and that I should actually taper down fast to a low amount, like 4 or 2 mg and stabilize at that... so that's what I'm gonna try do, and then pile up the excess ones like a chipmunk for rainy days (someone else on this forum said something along those lines and that made me burst with laughter, cause I can picture it, and I'm sure we all get the same joy from piling up subs, as chipmunks do with nuts, lol). What a way to go into the new years! Great to already have a new years resolution! Hope those who celebrate it had a wonderful christmas (I did, except for the fact that most family members are drunks, and that sort of pisses me off)! And I will try post during the next couple of days if I need advice or have something intelligent to add to the sub thread, but if I feel like shit and can't post, I would like to wish everyone a wonderful new years before hand!- Status