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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

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quickslide said:
omg I've bought it a million times so did several thousands of people. The weight is correct. I have a 0,01 scale.

Can we stop focusing on the weight and instead focus why some people (like me) get bad effects from 4-ho-met but not any other tryptamine (so far anyway).
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If you have a 0.01g scale you could be off as much as 10-30mg. And dosage is a key factor in effects, hence we've focused on it. Also the manner in which you've been dosing it is irresponsible. And if most people require at least 20mg, usually more either your product is impure or you have something else. This would also explain why you're not getting a good effect from it. Also, what do you mean by that specifically? Are you not getting effects or do you not like the effects?

abrad84 said:
You really need a .001g scale when playing with compounds active in this range.
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very true, to do otherwise is irresponsible, and to give others inaccurately weighed doses is grossly irresponsible and immoral.

djstrip said:
What are a few favorite scales for .001g scales?

-djstrip
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the AWS-DIA 20 is affordable & accurate to within a 2 or 3mg. If you get two you can cross check and be pretty much accurate to within a milligram. Think they run about 40-80 bucks depending on where you get them. And also there's the Big & Dandy Scale Thread
 
any major dude said:
If you have a 0.01g scale you could be off as much as 10-30mg. And dosage is a key factor in effects, hence we've focused on it. Also the manner in which you've been dosing it is irresponsible. And if most people require at least 20mg, usually more either your product is impure or you have something else. This would also explain why you're not getting a good effect from it. Also, what do you mean by that specifically? Are you not getting effects or do you not like the effects?



very true, to do otherwise is irresponsible, and to give others inaccurately weighed doses is grossly irresponsible and immoral.



the AWS-DIA 20 is affordable & accurate to within a 2 or 3mg. If you get two you can cross check and be pretty much accurate to within a milligram. Think they run about 40-80 bucks depending on where you get them. And also there's the Big & Dandy Scale Thread
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Thanks Any Major Dude, there's a Big&Dandy for everything, lol.

-djstrip
 
quickslide said:
omg I've bought it a million times so did several thousands of people. The weight is correct. I have a 0,01 scale.

Can we stop focusing on the weight and instead focus why some people (like me) get bad effects from 4-ho-met but not any other tryptamine (so far anyway).
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I hope you do realize that weighing dosages correctly is not only important because of your own health, but because providing others with incorrect dosage information is like the antithesis of harm reduction.
 
any major dude said:
If you have a 0.01g scale you could be off as much as 10-30mg. And dosage is a key factor in effects, hence we've focused on it. Also the manner in which you've been dosing it is irresponsible. And if most people require at least 20mg, usually more either your product is impure or you have something else. This would also explain why you're not getting a good effect from it. Also, what do you mean by that specifically? Are you not getting effects or do you not like the effects?


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I'm getting low effects. On a very heavy dose I can probably reach level 3. I see level 4 as an impossibility for me to reach on 4-ho-met. It's not like 200 people are using it in sweden. It's the most common hallucinogen for sure. We know the weight is correct. Sure it can be impure, but people do get great effects out of 20mg. And people say after taking like 30mg they aint sure if they would dare to go any higher. I feel like I easily could do 150mg.
 
ydl said:
I hope you do realize that weighing dosages correctly is not only important because of your own health, but because providing others with incorrect dosage information is like the antithesis of harm reduction.
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stop focusing on the weight!!!!! It is 100mg period in each bag, period!
 
quickslide said:
I'm getting low effects. On a very heavy dose I can probably reach level 3. I see level 4 as an impossibility for me to reach on 4-ho-met. It's not like 200 people are using it in sweden. It's the most common hallucinogen for sure. We know the weight is correct. Sure it can be impure, but people do get great effects out of 20mg. And people say after taking like 30mg they aint sure if they would dare to go any higher. I feel like I easily could do 150mg.
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If you're referring to the Shulgin scale, +3 & +4 aren't really related. +4 is an experiential thing not necessarily dependent on dose. It is possible that you've got a weird tolerance to this chemical specifically. I'd think that unlikely if you have good luck with other tryptamines though. How often have you been taking 4-HO-MET or any other psychedelics? If you do them more than once a week you're definitely going to have tolerance issues. Even at once every two weeks there will be some loss of novelty etc. Or if you've only tried one bag of it, that bag may have been cut, misweighed, impure, etc.
 
certainly not with 4-ho-met and there are several people with 0,001 scale that has weight it. The weight is correct, period!
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Yes you do! And to not use one is highly irresposible. It is not much better than eyeballing. You mentioned you are using other RCs too, these also require a more accurate scale.

A .01 scale may be suitable for things like methylone or mephedrone but not for these potent tryptamines/PEA's. Do yourself a favour and make an investment. There are .001 scales for around the same price as a gram of 4-ho-MET.
 
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any major dude said:
If you're referring to the Shulgin scale, +3 & +4 aren't really related. +4 is an experiential thing not necessarily dependent on dose. It is possible that you've got a weird tolerance to this chemical specifically. I'd think that unlikely if you have good luck with other tryptamines though. How often have you been taking 4-HO-MET or any other psychedelics? If you do them more than once a week you're definitely going to have tolerance issues. Even at once every two weeks there will be some loss of novelty etc. Or if you've only tried one bag of it, that bag may have been cut, misweighed, impure, etc.
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Twice a month at most with at least two weeks between. I've done 4-ho-met maybe 10 times.

this scale http://www.shroomery.org/9067/What-do-the-different-trip-levels-Lvl-1-5-mean dunno if it's shulgins?

I probably reached level 2 on 60mg, but not higher. Colors were brighter with eyes opened, and I've seen a picture morphing when starring at it, but I mean it's not much... I have some CEVs but not like my girlfriend for instance who's taking 40mg. She has so clear visuals when eyes closed she comes to a state where she doesn't know if shes looking or not. I'm not even close to that.

5-meo-mipt works perfectly on me. Really intense.

Shrooms, long time since I tried but when I did I walls were breathing things morphing etc on a normal or little more than normal dose.

I've done 5-meo-dmt dosage worked fine, really really intense.


Another thing worth mentioning is that 20mg to 60 mg didn't increase that much in intensity, while others buying from the same site get a much more intense trip. 20mg for me probably was level 2 or really close to it while 60mg was definately level 2. Reaching level 3 I'd need like 100 at least, and level 4, where I wanna go, I dunno, maybe 200mg? I know a swede though that's taken 180mg and he didn't ger more than a powerful level 3 trip if I remember correctly.
 
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abrad84 said:
Yes you do! And to not use one is highly irresposible. It is not much better than eyeballing. You mentioned you are using other RCs too, these also require a more accurate scale.

A .01 scale may be suitable for things like methylone or mephedrone but not for these potent tryptamines/PEA's. Do yourself a favour and make an investment. There are .001 scales for around the same price as a gram of 4-ho-MET.
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omg if im telling you its not its not. For crying out loud im not a baby, I know what im doing. I don't need a freaking 0,001 scale. As a matter of fact, when buying 4-ho-met I wouldn't need a scale at all. I could easily eyeball a dose. And ye i might be 50mg off, but that doesn't matter for me. If I did 50 or 100 or 150 it wouldn't really matter for me.
 
This scale isn't shulgin's scale

Shulgin Rating Scale

PLUS / MINUS (+/-)
The level of effectiveness of a drug that indicates a threshold action. If a higher dosage produces a greater response, then the plus/minus (+/-) was valid. If a higher dosage produces nothing, then this was a false positive.

PLUS ONE (+)
The drug is quite certainly active. The chronology can be determined with some accuracy, but the nature of the drug's effects are not yet apparent.

PLUS TWO (++)
Both the chronology and the nature of the action of a drug are unmistakably apparent. But you still have some choice as to whether you will accept the adventure, or rather just continue with your ordinary day's plans (if you are an experienced researcher, that is). The effects can be allowed a predominant role, or they may be repressed and made secondary to other chosen activities.

PLUS THREE (+++)
Not only are the chronology and the nature of a drug's action quite clear, but ignoring its action is no longer an option. The subject is totally engaged in the experience, for better or worse.

PLUS FOUR (++++)
A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samadhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end of, the human experiment.
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People also use values like +1.5, +2.5 or +3.5.
I think Shulgin's description of different levels is better than that on shroomery.
 
quickslide said:
omg if im telling you its not its not. For crying out loud im not a baby, I know what im doing. I don't need a freaking 0,001 scale. As a matter of fact, when buying 4-ho-met I wouldn't need a scale at all. I could easily eyeball a dose.
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You quite clearly have no fucking idea what you are doing.
 
allium said:
This scale isn't shulgin's scale



People also use values like +1.5, +2.5 or +3.5.
I think Shulgin's description of different levels is better than that on shroomery.
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huh? That's not the scale I was using. Doesn't matter which is the best as long as you know what I mean by level 2.
 
quickslide said:
lol. I know exactly what im doing.
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No you don't. How many people need to tell you this before you get over your delusion that these drugs can be eyeballed safely? If you continue to do this you will severely hurt yourself sometime in the near future. You also mentioned that you follow the same methodology to dose 5-meo-dmt and 5-meo-mipt? That is *extremely* dangerous and you should be lucky that nothing bad happened. I only care to tell you all this because people like you bring more negative attention to us leading governments to ban these substances because they believe that most people cannot use them safely.
The only reasons that you fell nothing at such high doses of 4-oh-met are because the product is severely cut (most likely), you have developed high tolerance by using other similar drugs recently or you are on some kind of medication that dulls the effect of psychedelics.
 
interleukin said:
No you don't. How many people need to tell you this before you get over your delusion that these drugs can be eyeballed safely? If you continue to do this you will severely hurt yourself sometime in the near future. You also mentioned that you follow the same methodology to dose 5-meo-dmt and 5-meo-mipt? That is *extremely* dangerous and you should be lucky that nothing bad happened. I only care to tell you all this because people like you bring more negative attention to us leading governments to ban these substances because they believe that most people cannot use them safely.
The only reasons that you fell nothing at such high doses of 4-oh-met are because the product is severely cut (most likely), you have developed high tolerance by using other similar drugs recently or you are on some kind of medication that dulls the effect of psychedelics.
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for fuck sake, a million people obviously. How will I hurt myself eyeballing 4-ho-met? Please PLEASE do tell me that. You people are REALLY annoying. Why is it so hard for you to understand? It DOESNT MATTER if I dose 50, 100 or 150 mg of 4-ho-met (and it's only 100mg in a bag so how can it ever, ever, ever ever go wrong????). For christ sake. Alot of people are eyeballing 4-ho-met. It's not damn problem eyeballing 4-ho-met. jesus...

You people are amazing. If I know how much it's in a bag it's really, really easy eyeballing. It doesn't matter if I'm dosing 10mg more of 5-meo-mipt for instance. As long as I'm not dosing too little it's okay. Same goes with 5-meo-dmt. What does it matter if I'm dosing 15mg or 25? It doesn't. and I'm not that inaccurate cuz it's not that hard eyeballing. No wonder the world is all fucked if people can't even split 100mg in three without getting the ratio 50 30 20 or worse.

I'm using no medication. I have no tolerance. And I told you about 8 million times that there are several thousands of people buying from the same source and they don't have the problem I am experiencing. Hell, my girlfriend using the same batch doesn't have the same problem!!!
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can't stop writing cuz this is so sick. I have a 100mg + the bag (weight it with 0,01 scale) of either 4-ho-met, 5-meo-mipt or 5-meo-dmt. Lets say I split it in 2 then split those in 2. Now I have between 15 and 35 mg in each pile (anything but that and you're half blind).

Dosing 4-ho-met: 50-150mg is good for me so the only problem would be not getting enough.

Dosing 5-meo-mipt: 15-40mg is good for me so no problem!

Dosing 5-meo-dmt: 3-30mg is good for me so again no problem!


I've even been eyeballing a small dose of 5-meo-dmt several times. How damn hard can it be really? Just take 4-5 small crystals or so and I have a nice short trip. If I accidentally (never happened though) would put 10 crystals and have a more intense trip how is that ever bad?
 
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