The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

[any major dude]

omg if im telling you its not its not. For crying out loud im not a baby, I know what im doing. I don't need a freaking 0,001 scale. As a matter of fact, when buying 4-ho-met I wouldn't need a scale at all. I could easily eyeball a dose. And ye i might be 50mg off, but that doesn't matter for me. If I did 50 or 100 or 150 it wouldn't really matter for me.

Bluelight is a harm reduction forum, saying its ok for people to take random amounts of chemicals is not harm reduction, the opposite in fact. That's why everyone here keeps harping on it. Plus, they're like 40 bucks. If you can afford 4-HO-MET, 5-MeO-DMT, & 5-MeO-MiPT, you can easily afford to drop $40 american on a scale. Even if you think eyeballing is ok, wouldn't some precision be nice? If you knew how much you were taking to within a milligram or three you could be much more precise in your dosing, and your info would be helpful to people here, as you would be able to compare data with others for specific dosages.

for fuck sake, a million people obviously. How will I hurt myself eyeballing 4-ho-met? Please PLEASE do tell me that. You people are REALLY annoying. Why is it so hard for you to understand? It DOESNT MATTER if I dose 50, 100 or 150 mg of 4-ho-met (and it's only 100mg in a bag so how can it ever, ever, ever ever go wrong????). For christ sake. Alot of people are eyeballing 4-ho-met. It's not damn problem eyeballing 4-ho-met. jesus...

You people are amazing. If I know how much it's in a bag it's really, really easy eyeballing. It doesn't matter if I'm dosing 10mg more of 5-meo-mipt for instance. As long as I'm not dosing too little it's okay. Same goes with 5-meo-dmt. What does it matter if I'm dosing 15mg or 25? It doesn't. and I'm not that inaccurate cuz it's not that hard eyeballing. No wonder the world is all fucked if people can't even split 100mg in three without getting the ratio 50 30 20 or worse.

Powders are of different density & whatnot, even within the same bag. Some's going to be aerated, some's going to be compressed etc. Also, you're assuming that every bag is properly weighted, this may not always be the case. 4-HO-MET is likely pretty non-toxic, but we simply don't know for sure at this point. The 5-MeO things however, can be quite dangerous, especially in large or unknown quantities.

I'm using no medication. I have no tolerance. And I told you about 8 million times that there are several thousands of people buying from the same source and they don't have the problem I am experiencing. Hell, my girlfriend using the same batch doesn't have the same problem!!!

I find this a little hard to believe. If you are using 4-HO-MET, 5-MeO-DMT, & 5-MeO-MiPT only once every two weeks and you've done 4-HO-MET 10 or more times, that's like 20 weeks there, add a couple doses of the other chems and you're already at over 6 months, and you've just now asked about your tolerance to 4-HO-MET? I certainly wouldn't think worse of you for tripping more often, but we can't give you accurate advise if we don't know the full story. If you're not using medication or tripping fairly frequently there is no reason you should have this type of tolerance to 4-HO-MET, other than you possibly just having a natural tolerance to this specific chemical, which was one of the first things mentioned. And there's nothing anyone here can do to help you with that, its just a body chemistry thing

can't stop writing cuz this is so sick. I have a 100mg + the bag (weight it with 0,01 scale) of either 4-ho-met, 5-meo-mipt or 5-meo-dmt. Lets say I split it in 2 then split those in 2. Now I have between 15 and 35 mg in each pile (anything but that and you're half blind).

Dosing 4-ho-met: 50-150mg is good for me so the only problem would be not getting enough.

Dosing 5-meo-mipt: 15-40mg is good for me so no problem!

Dosing 5-meo-dmt: 3-30mg is good for me so again no problem!

Those are some really broad ranges for those drugs. and the upper doses on the 5-MeO's are borderline dangerous for many people. I really hope you aren't giving out doses to other people using this method.

I've even been eyeballing a small dose of 5-meo-dmt several times. How damn hard can it be really? Just take 4-5 small crystals or so and I have a nice short trip. If I accidentally (never happened though) would put 10 crystals and have a more intense trip how is that ever bad?

Its not that its hard or not, its that you shouldn't do it. And having a more intense trip could be bad, depending on circumstances & how intense it is.

Fwiw me and a friend have eyeballed all our doses of ho met without any problems.

Please, BL is for harm reduction. This isn't encouraging harm reduction at all.

 

[surf.shaman]

$40 for scale? one you can trust will milligrams? idk

 

[quickslide]

I find this a little hard to believe. If you are using 4-HO-MET, 5-MeO-DMT, & 5-MeO-MiPT only once every two weeks and you've done 4-HO-MET 10 or more times, that's like 20 weeks there, add a couple doses of the other chems and you're already at over 6 months, and you've just now asked about your tolerance to 4-HO-MET? I certainly wouldn't think worse of you for tripping more often, but we can't give you accurate advise if we don't know the full story. If you're not using medication or tripping fairly frequently there is no reason you should have this type of tolerance to 4-HO-MET, other than you possibly just having a natural tolerance to this specific chemical, which was one of the first things mentioned. And there's nothing anyone here can do to help you with that, its just a body chemistry thing

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It's weird though cuz this is not a rare problem. My best friend has the same problem and I know others who have described the same problem. For instance the guy who did 180mg. I'd say maybe 10-20% are experiencing this. 4-ho-met is common in Sweden. We have a 800 page thread on 4-ho-met.

I started using 4-ho-met about 1½ years ago and I trip at most 2 times a month.

 

[Bagseed]

It's weird though cuz this is not a rare problem. My best friend has the same problem and I know others who have described the same problem. For instance the guy who did 180mg. I'd say maybe 10-20% are experiencing this.

I guess, your friend and you get the compound from the same source? so maybe it's impure after all... if metocine is so common in sweden i wouldn't wonder if someone wants to make some more money out of his batch.

 

[quickslide]

I guess, your friend and you get the compound from the same source? so maybe it's impure after all... if metocine is so common in sweden i wouldn't wonder if someone wants to make some more money out of his batch.

Everyone is getting it from the same source and most people don't have this problem. I also told you me and my girlfriend dose from the same bag and receive different effects. She much stronger although dosing 40% less.

 

[McTwist]

I must have taken more than I thought because I'm feeling threshold effects from my allergy test. I feel a tryptamine gently flowing through my body. I weighed out a small amount, but it didn't register on my scale. It must have been <5mg, probably 2 or 3mg I'm guesstimating. I dosed around 5ish so it's peaking right now. Very gentle on the body, not much change in thought patterns. Colors are slightly enhanced, slight static visual fuzz increased from normal and if I stare at an object I can see it slightly breath/"try" to transform. I am feeling antsy but that's because I've been at home all day doing nothing in particular and am getting ready to go out. I wasn't trying to feel anything from this at all but unexpectedly, I am =]

I can't wait to take 10 - 15mg! It's supposed to snow a fuck load tonight so I'm hoping a few buddies wanna dose. I know I do!

 

[any major dude]

i got significant effects at 8mg. Not crazy or anything, but definitely couldn't ignore the fact that i'd taken something

It's weird though cuz this is not a rare problem. My best friend has the same problem and I know others who have described the same problem. For instance the guy who did 180mg. I'd say maybe 10-20% are experiencing this. 4-ho-met is common in Sweden. We have a 800 page thread on 4-ho-met.

I started using 4-ho-met about 1½ years ago and I trip at most 2 times a month.

have you always had this problem or is it a more recent development? Also, i don't think there's really any more info we can give you on individual tolerance, unless someone else is having the same problem

Everyone is getting it from the same source and most people don't have this problem. I also told you me and my girlfriend dose from the same bag and receive different effects. She much stronger although dosing 40% less.

I doubt everyone is getting it from the same source, but if you & others are dosing out of the same bag & you have to take 2 or 3 times as much, if not more, I'd say its probably just you. Though your really don't know if you're taking 2x or 3x as much if you don't have a proper scale. Idiosyncratic reactions like this aren't unheard of though. Far from it indeed. There's even a glossary entry for "hardhead" in PiHKAL. Also, certain chemicals just don't jive with certain people. I've got one friend that likes 4-AcO-DMT & shrooms, but 4-AcO-DiPT did very little to him, even at 60 or 70mgs. Just alot we don't fully understand about these things at the moment

 

[sk4nx]

I took between 8-9mg of 4-ho-met about a hr and half ago. I feeling little bit of a tryptamine buzz, colors are little brighter, and I'm feeling a bit stimulated. I have a little bit of muscle tension as with most tryptamines I take. Music is sounding awesome right now. I have pandora on and I'm feeling everything that comes on. I'm gonna take another same size dose see where it takes me.

 

[sk4nx]

Ok I'm 25 mg deep and barely coherent enough to write this. I'm definitely not in a clear thinking mood at all. I just feel like cranking up my music, laying back, and letting these visuals takeover.

 

[djstrip]

I took between 8-9mg of 4-ho-met about a hr and half ago. I feeling little bit of a tryptamine buzz, colors are little brighter, and I'm feeling a bit stimulated. I have a little bit of muscle tension as with most tryptamines I take. Music is sounding awesome right now. I have pandora on and I'm feeling everything that comes on. I'm gonna take another same size dose see where it takes me.

Ok I'm 25 mg deep and barely coherent enough to write this. I'm definitely not in a clear thinking mood at all. I just feel like cranking up my music, laying back, and letting these visuals takeover.

Hahaha, so awesome. I have about a week or two left till I have mine! Give us a report after you comedown.

-djstrip

 

[aldare]

$40 for scale? one you can trust will milligrams? idk

I've got one pretty precise for that money. So it is possible

 

[quickslide]

I'ma do 90mg on Friday and report back here on the effects.

 

[superted66ireland6]

after an initial excellent night on 16mg, i decided to try it in combination with methylone. dosed 19mg of 4-ho-met, waited 25 minutes, and dosed 135mg of methylone. FUCK ME. powerful stuff!!! im beginning to enjoy the RC's a bit more than the classical examples of drugs at the moment. must be the novelty, but what a novelty it is! LSD and MDMA ftw tho!

 

[quickslide]

Yep, 90mg was perfect. Could have done more but this was nice. Definately level 3 trip, finally Amazing colors, everything morphed into each other. Boosted with NO2 and everything I looked at was red green and yellow. CEVs was sick. Saw monsters, surrealistic things etc. Really sweet.

 

[incognition]

It's just as important to master the art of eyeballing as to have a 0.001 scale. Scales can malfunction, so never blindly trust the scale. It could kill you.

And if you have a pile of say a couple hundred milligrams, and can't divide that pile in to 3 or 4 parts.. well, you're probably slightly retarded.

 

[McTwist]

Yep, 90mg was perfect. Could have done more but this was nice. Definately level 3 trip, finally Amazing colors, everything morphed into each other. Boosted with NO2 and everything I looked at was red green and yellow. CEVs was sick. Saw monsters, surrealistic things etc. Really sweet.

90mg? That is an insanely high dose. You must be getting very impure product or have a high natural tolerance (unlikely with such a steep dose such as that). Be very careful dude, and make sure if you receive a new batch that you start low. 90mg would honestly be an insane ride for 99% of folks. Are you getting this from a vendor or a friend? Such a high dose is very questionable in terms of quality product.

 

[Kapitan]

I love this stuff. I took 16mg about two weeks ago, and had a fucking amazing experience. I've also taken psilocybin mushrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MiPT, 5-MeO-MiPT, and DMT (oral and smoked) in the past, and, so far, 4-HO-MET is probably my favorite. It's not as chill and flowing as 4-AcO-DMT, and definitely doesn't have as much capacity for ego death as DMT or its 4-hydroxylated cousin, but it caused several unusual psychological phenomena that I felt were of note.

The intoxication was characterized by an intense 'buzzing' that lasted for almost the entire duration. I did experience body tremors, but it was more than that; it was almost as if the buzzing energy that's normally hidden behind and inside everything in the world was revealed. It also caused me to have a strong sense of deja vu for 4 or 5 hours. This is the first time that's ever happened to me on a psychedelic drug. Mushrooms and 4-AcO-DMT have a related effect, where it feels like I'm normally a robot, and under the influence of the psilocin, I "wake up," and can control my actions; on the 4-HO-MET, I was aware that I wasn't really in control of my actions, and that perhaps time was an illusion, but I had no power to change my actions in light of this knowledge. Very strange.

The most notable effect, however, was that it allowed me to remember almost all of the dreams that I've had for the last two or three weeks, in great detail. This was immensely therapeutic for me, as my dreams are generally steeped in metaphor and useful to me in figuring out how I feel about certain situations, if I can only remember them. 4-AcO-DMT typically allows me increased access to my memories in general, but this stuff seemed to be targeted towards my dream memories specifically. It was awesome. It made me feel like I was dreaming, and thus perhaps the increased dream recall was a form of state-dependent memory? I dunno. It was awesome, nonetheless.

The effects lasted 7 or 8 hours from dosing. I still had very complex, geometric, colorful CEVs 7 hours after dosing. The OEVs were not as impressive as 4-AcO-DMT, but I'm not overly concerned with visuals, and typically consider them a side effect anyway.

 

[Kapitan]

Yep, 90mg was perfect. Could have done more but this was nice. Definately level 3 trip, finally Amazing colors, everything morphed into each other. Boosted with NO2 and everything I looked at was red green and yellow. CEVs was sick. Saw monsters, surrealistic things etc. Really sweet.

I feel sorry for you. That must be expensive! I know some hardheads that have trouble getting off on anything near the doses that Shulgin recommends; for example, I know one guy who needs over 30mg of 2C-E before he starts to experience any strong effects at all. 90mg seems a tad excessive, though. I'm not saying you're lying, I'm just pointing out that this is unusual, as I'm sure you're aware.

 

[incognition]

I feel sorry for you. That must be expensive! I know some hardheads that have trouble getting off on anything near the doses that Shulgin recommends; for example, I know one guy who needs over 30mg of 2C-E before he starts to experience any strong effects at all. 90mg seems a tad excessive, though. I'm not saying you're lying, I'm just pointing out that this is unusual, as I'm sure you're aware.

The definitions of what is sufficient might vary a bit too. For me 80 mg insufflated was very intense, but also just about perfect. This was from an older batch though, maybe the new stuff is weaker?

Intensity was like 30-40 mg DMT smoked, but for many hours. Fantastic OEV's in broad daylight, if i just let my eyes rest for a half second at the same point, reality was totally dissolved and i was in legoland.. Oh, sweet memories.

 

[any major dude]

It's just as important to master the art of eyeballing as to have a 0.001 scale. Scales can malfunction, so never blindly trust the scale. It could kill you.

And if you have a pile of say a couple hundred milligrams, and can't divide that pile in to 3 or 4 parts.. well, you're probably slightly retarded.

obviously if you're dumping teaspoons of powder on a scale & its registering 10mg there is a problem. But if you properly check & calibrate your scales before each use (as everyone should!) there is little worry there. This is a bit like saying you don't wear your seatbelt because of the miniscule fraction of people that are injured by them. Eyeballing is always unnecessary & dangerous with psychoactives this potent. Why would you need to "master the art of eyeballing?" For dosing in an emergency? Also, being that all of these chemicals are of different densities and even the same batch of any given chemical can have inconsistencies in density, compression, etc this is never recommended or safe. Sorry if the tone seems a bit snarky, but BL is here for harm reduction, & recommending that people eyeball is never a good suggestion & there's been a lot of that going on in this thread lately.