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Really Tripping with pets

^to both you guys. . they PRESCRIBE adderall xanax ritalin and other drugs to dogs. He liked it the first time. the 2nd time was a bit to much. Worry about your own pets
 
motiv311 said:
^to both you guys. . they PRESCRIBE adderall xanax ritalin and other drugs to dogs. He liked it the first time. the 2nd time was a bit to much. Worry about your own pets
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I personally know a dog on super low dose benzos, but I've never heard any reason that would be medically relevant to giving a dog an amphetamine. Not saying they don't but I did some looking and couldn't find anything.
 
it makes me sad that ANY of you think you have ANY idea what goes through animals minds at all.

a couple months ago i gave my 2 dogs different drugs. i gave my chocolate lab 2 hits of acid and i gave my husky 3 gs of mushrooms. the lab was having a blast but my husky was freaking the fuck out haha running in circles and then he just laid on his back for 2 hours.

i plan on doing it again but perhaps with only 2 gs this time.
 
wow wow wow! people are getting upset...
my cats have dosed acid a few times, never intentionally, but they've never suffered bad effects from it either. liquid lsd has a way of getting into the darndest places! my cats have always enjoyed it, they chase things that aren't there, sing loud songs, get floppy and cuddly, and get even more pot chronic than ever! one of my kitties was always a big pothead, whenever the weed came out, she was right there looking for tokes. they also get serious contact highs whenever they're around people on psychedelics.
grong, ignore the haters.
 
frusty noggets said:
it makes me sad that ANY of you think you have ANY idea what goes through animals minds at all.

a couple months ago i gave my 2 dogs different drugs. i gave my chocolate lab 2 hits of acid and i gave my husky 3 gs of mushrooms. the lab was having a blast but my husky was freaking the fuck out haha running in circles and then he just laid on his back for 2 hours.

i plan on doing it again but perhaps with only 2 gs this time.
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As long as they are having fun, why not? I wouldn't personally with my pets cause i'd worry about giving them too high a dose and/or them simply not liking it. But i'm sure there is a dose for many pets that they could enjoy. If you are sure they like it, then let them enjoy a unique experience. They only live here a fraction of the time we do; I'd pay for that if I knew for certain.

And animals certainly can associate something they ate with effects later. Anyone who thinks different is seriously underestimating their cognitive ability. my dog can recognize many words and associate them to different actions; and she has figured out some cool problems before. Besides some of the more cruel drug experiments with rats used pellets not injection so it'd take a while for it to kick in.

Amphetamine though, is neurotoxic, will cause crash, just seems really sketchy to do to an animal. And there is no veterinary prescription for it liar.
 
Yes ther is ^ amphetamine has never been proven as neurotoxic. . ITs the not sleeping/drinking/eating that is. .


and it IS prescribed to dogs. . .

How can you justify one over the other? LSD and mushrooms are fine but a tiny bit of ADD medication is totally unethical ?? Both are wrong and stupid. And I knew it was wrong and stupid when I did it.
 
Raw Evil said:
Get the hell off your high horses. Sure, you guys might not have done this, but shit, it's in the past, and he's sharing his experiences with us. Isn't that what this forum is meant to be about? Sweet zombie Christ, check your egos, the three of you. Besides:
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So it's not like he's "going across the nation, spreading LSD to all the animals" or anything nutso like that. You act like he's some kind of menace. the three of you are no better than the prohibitionist crowd.

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Where do I start?

1: Humans kill each other without psychedelics. Few species do that.
2: Who are you to suggest they don't get anything out of the experience? For all we know, they might get more out of it than we do.
3: Modern humans are simply domesticated primates, and to deny that we still have our instincts would be an outright lie. Lots of things go on in our heads, but those of us who are given the opportunity to think for ourselves will always work out a peaceful moral framework in their own mind.
4: By the above criteria I see nothing inherently "wrong" with dosing a pet. If it were up to me, I'd need to know they wanted to experience what I have experienced, which is really something only a very close friend could tell past the species barrier.


Are you seriously suggesting that A: humans are the only animals with a useful memory-span, and B: any one of us actually understands the psychedelic experience?


You best not give any to friends who might just like tripping with good company. By your logic, the only people who should ever trip are particle physicists and mathematicians. Anything less would be wasteful.
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First off, it's not so much a debate of whether or not animals have the mental capacity to gain from the psychedelic experience.. You're missing these people's points completely and acting as if these people are saying only humans are smart enough to do LSD, when in fact this isnt the case at all buddy. This is where your whole "get off your high horse" mentality seems to be stemming from.

What troubles people is that you're giving some animal that dosn't even have any concept of a brain is, what perception is, what a drug is, you're intentionally putting a drug into the animals blood without their consent or even their fucking understanding of whats happening at all. And just hoping they will gain something positive from it...

Do you see the problem that arrises here mate? What if i dosed you unknowingly, justifying it by thinking hey he will have some neat insights into his life and his relationship to reality, might forever appreciate art on a deeper level. Then you comedown and i tell you what i did, you would be mad angry with me and what an irresponsible thing to do ect.. Oh but i thought you would derive some gain from it, does that justify dosing you unknowingly.

Now think about it there is some HUMANS that take psychedelics and fully miss the point and do not derive any positive gain from their use, and sometimes even experience extreme fear and panic. Now do you really think a fucking dog is going to drop lsd and gain anything positive from it? Think about the level of fear that a fucking usually rational human who understands what is happening to them they understand the concept of whats causing their distress yet the level of distress is still insanely high, imagine the kind of stress an animal goes through during the peak of the trip, something that dosnt even understand why everything is all different, thats all the dog perceives.

To put it into perspective for you the dog obviously experiences psychedelic disturbances, but it lacks the mental structure to put it back into perspective/intregrate the trips insights back into its everyday reality. Dogs dont think and have memories like humans do. The changes in perception are just scary and weird to the dog, they're not insightful, dogs just dont have the brain to perceive in this way you're hoping they do. I mean also their eyes only perceive a fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum compared to us so they're not seeing amazingly colourful fractals like you might imagine.

So maybe after reading this you can go get off your high horse, face the facts that if some humans dont enjoy psychedelics how the fuck is an animal that dosn't even understand the concept of perception and how it works going to enjoy the experience and derive anything from it?

So yeah just get it through your head that it's totally not getting on your high horse for condemning someone for having given something a drug without it's permission, even if the creature would't understand even if you tried to explain. A fully grown adult with good judgement would come to this conclusion.

Also; benzos(friends dog is prescribed 1mg xanax for storm season), painkillers(my dog has been scripted tramadol a couple times) and dissociatives(well only one i think ketamine) are used medically on animals but thats totally different to dosing an animal psychedelics. Benzos or opioids arent going to produce intense fear and stress in an animal, some could argue the k hole dogs may experience could be comparable to an lsd trip(in mental confusion caused from both drugs) and used as justification that dosing your dog on lsd is an okay thing to do.. But think about it the dogs are given a dose where they're out fucking cold, and its kinda choosing the lesser of two evils so to speak, whats worse the stress of confusion caused by the ketamine or the stress of surgery with full sensory awareness? This is much different to giving your dog a recreational drug experience haha.

I'm not saying dogs can't in contrast to the above feel positive and increased euphoric feelings as well, but the chance for overwhelming negative emotion/feeling is very high compared to medicinally used drugs, and like i said generally in the medical situation, there is full justification for giving dogs drugs.

So it really comes down to, giving your dogs drugs dosn't equate to animal abuse and i know you guys really love your animals as i do, but it just seems like a waste of drugs and very stupid thing to do when you consider all of what i've jotted down here..
 
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Ismene said:
That is cruel and deeply deranged. I think you need urgent psychiatric help.
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I don't know, i think if dosed appropriately the animals might enjoy themselves. But i certainly wouldn't give an, even a 160lb, animal a full hit of LSD. I'd say something along the lines of quarter-hit or less.

It may seem cruel, but it's also... interesting. It makes you wonder what they're thinking. If only they knew they were taking a substance that would drastically alter their state-of-mind, i think then it wouldn't be so cruel. It'd be intriguing.

But... then again, i don't think i would ever EVER do that to my dogs. Maybe an extremely light opiate (with no NSAIDs) or stimulant, but never a psychedelic. Maybe giving to a chimpanzee would prove interesting, but then again i don't think any of us own any chimps! =D

Curiosity makes me a sick fuck.

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And, yes, i've given my [120lb] pitbull an IM injection of Opana IR at 0.9mg in distilled water when she was badly hurt. I guarantee she was grateful for that, considering the pain she was in.

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++++1 to Raw Evil. At least he adds bit of logic to his answer and admits we are all with flaws, including that of harming others, we've all done it to someone once or twice in one way or another.
Raw Evil said:
You best not give any to friends who might just like tripping with good company. By your logic, the only people who should ever trip are particle physicists and mathematicians. Anything less would be wasteful.
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Don't forget it'd be cruel too!:D
 
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frusty noggets said:
it makes me sad that ANY of you think you have ANY idea what goes through animals minds at all.
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frusty noggets said:
the lab was having a blast but my husky was freaking the fuck out haha running in circles and then he just laid on his back for 2 hours.

i plan on doing it again but perhaps with only 2 gs this time.
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I'm sorry but you sir, are an idiot.
 
I know someone who gave ketamine to a cat and repeatedly threw it out of the window...

Animals shouldn't be given psychs.
I appreciate that Grong wouldn't do this again... I don't think it's right.

But a very interesting post.
 
I love animals, especially dogs! I would never give my dog sid but only because I've experienced it only twice myself (200mic's ea. time) the first time was amazing and purely visuals, the second time I just felt so happy and like a little kid again. However I get my dog stoned almost every time I smoke, all Koda does is get hyper, run around the yard, and rub his butt on the bushes (I don't know why, perhaps it scratches his back for him but it is quite amusing).

The OP has potentially saved other animals from being dosed, because we read his story and have learned what some experiences are. But one thing that I have learned to understand thanks to my first trip, is that everything in this world depends on another factor. Therefore we cannot base whether it is good or bad for each animal because like us each animal differs in some way. So we do not know if they like it or not, or what goes through their minds. Obviously they have a memory! Whoever thinks they do not is probably high and forgot you teach dogs how to sit and stay and all that jazz, and they don't forget it (based on training and yet again the animal)

I would love to spiritually connect with Koda but it is not my choice to dose him and he cannot give consent, I will forever remember this story because animals + sid is something I have pondered about since my second trip but I never wanted to force anything on my best-friend.

I do not know 100% but my friend told me while I was tripping not to touch the animals because the drugs can excrete through your pores. While peaking my other friend however did not remember these guidelines to follow and began loving on this cat which in turn seemed to love the attention, but afterwards when we all went for a smoke break, the cat started acting weird, looking into our eyes and meowing as if it was trying to speak to us.
I also know of another friend who has 2 leopard geckos (Fred&Wilma) who love to be held when people are frying, the only freaky thing is when they look straight into your eyes and stare as if they are looking into your soul.

Now as I have shared my insights, and I have read many of yours - I thank you guys for all this information and the idea that was purposed about testing whether we can alter "death-row" dogs to become fully interactive and loving pets, that is an excellent idea that I can honestly say never crossed my mind!

Haha also there is a similar idea but without the drugs, that has been turned into a show on Animal Planet called "Pitbulls & Parolees" hah pretty good show and her daughters are smokin' hot=D
 
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Depressicaa said:
^Hahaha

Willow, I don't think that cruelty is when you do something without consent. Its with malicious intent, which the OP did not have. If I helped someone move without them knowing, would I be cruel? Its unethical on a level, but not cruel.
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Giving an innocent animal a drug with the desire for them to trip, even if intoxication and ignorance were major factors, is cruel.

If I fucked a girl who was passed out and she didn't ever know, is my action not cruel? Of course it is. Without wanting to get into semantics, cruelty is most often a form of sheer carelessness and disregard for others.
 
frusty noggets said:
it makes me sad that ANY of you think you have ANY idea what goes through animals minds at all.

a couple months ago i gave my 2 dogs different drugs. i gave my chocolate lab 2 hits of acid and i gave my husky 3 gs of mushrooms. the lab was having a blast but my husky was freaking the fuck out haha running in circles and then he just laid on his back for 2 hours.

i plan on doing it again but perhaps with only 2 gs this time.
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You should have your animals taken away from you. People like you are simply scum.

Innocent animals are to be loved and cared for; not treated like objects to play with.

I would wish something nasty to happen to you, but I suspect your existence would be as putrid as your actions. Get help.
 
^ I agree, Willow11.

Either there's alot of trolls here, lying 12 year olds who are experimenting with fibbing on the net for their idiotic fun, or the rates of mental retardation have recently gone off the charts for some reason. Maybe something in the water. Just pathetic.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Maybe something in the water.
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if your talking about my dogs water bowl then yes, there is something in it, and its called liquid lsd. :p

this weekend im gunna make a video montage of my dogs trippin the fuck out ill upload on youtube to show you guys how hilarious it is LOL !!!
 
DwayneHoover said:
^ I agree, Willow11.

Either there's alot of trolls here, lying 12 year olds who are experimenting with fibbing on the net for their idiotic fun, or the rates of mental retardation have recently gone off the charts for some reason. Maybe something in the water. Just pathetic.
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exactly. see "frustry noggets" post above mine for confirmation. Hey frusty, if you cant tell, you are not exactly receiving a warm welcome here. Please take such idiocy back to "legalhighznbudz.com " or wherever you came from. I'm sure there is a warm video game waiting for you somewhere.
 
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