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Really Tripping with pets

^If they did have a bad trip (likely but not certain), the benefit might lie in the aftereffects. Like many of us who have a nightmare trip, it turns out we gain much from the experience, despite its negativity.

I have quite a few experiences (even tripping so hard I didn't know i was on a drug or who/what I was) that was hard to go through, but significantly improved my outlook on life afterwards or changed me in positive ways.
 
Its just not right. Forget time and setting...

If you give a dog a tab of acid and it starts tripping 45 minutes later, based on a dog's short term memory and its comprehension of mind-altering drugs (no comprehension), the dog will have no clue that it is "tripping" and that its only a temporary state of mind.

In fact, the dog won't even be able to attribute the feelings to the "treat" it ate earlier. In fact, the dog probably won't even question how its mind starting going haywire or what even occurred before it started- because it'll be too focused on the fact that its mind is going haywire.

Based on how sensitive we are to psychs and the extreme reactions we can experience (ego-loss), imagine an animal experiencing these things with no ability to attribute what is happening to a drug it took or that it'll all be over in a few hours.


right.....the dog becomes spiritual? we dont need to induce religious experiences on our dogs.
 
WRONG!!!

It's cruel and unethical to dose either unconsenting humans or unconsenting animals with potent mind-altering drugs.

Period. YOU are the one who needs to get a grip.

You seem to have missed the point somewhat, Sherlock.
 
^ I agree. The consent issue is a serious and dirty one. I remember seeing a self-administration chart in high school for humans, monkeys and dogs (I am fairly certain). I wish I could remember more about it. There was a list of about ten drugs and had +. -, or 0. I remember the only 0, meaning mixed results/ neutral was THC self-administration.

There should be a good self-administration study done; but of course somewhere along the line (in this case at the start of the experiment) consent must be violated (to show the animal what it is). A shaky issue I do admit, and I'm not claiming any rights or wrongs.
 
Self-administration studies are done all the time on rats, mostly, to investigate the 'addictiveness' of drugs. As well as drug discrimination studies to show if a certain drug behaves similarly to a more well known drug.
 
My dad takes a lot of trips to africa for his work and he told me about a certain monkey named joao who had been taught to smoke cigarettes so long as you lit it for him and tossed it in his cage. my dad said people also threw him a good few joints which he favored over any regular cigarette being thrown. Apparently he used to have a wife but they took her away because he beat her too much so now he masturbates fairly constantly... and he dances if you play music... I have pictures somewhere ill try to find them
 
^Hahaha

Willow, I don't think that cruelty is when you do something without consent. Its with malicious intent, which the OP did not have. If I helped someone move without them knowing, would I be cruel? Its unethical on a level, but not cruel.
 
But if you dosed the dog and it had a terrifying nightmarish hell ego death trip, seeing aliens and all. Might be kind of cruel then.
 
They were probably confused and a bit freaked out. However some animals do take drugs on purpose. I don't recommend feeding an animal drugs, it's not really fair, but on a side note some animals do take substances on purpose. My cat used to eat my pot all the time. I had to hide it from the little bastard. Whenever I ate mushrooms my cats would constantly be watching us like we were entertaining to them or something.
 
We have no idea how these drugs drugs effect various animals subjective states, let alone if they're tripping, delusional, in a stupor, etc as a result of taking drugs that act as psychedelics for humans. Sorry, I know you like to be able to think you can read your pets emotions and thoughts (and you probably can genuinely tell when they need to go outside and take a shit), but that kind of "personal bond" doesn't go so far in cases like this.

Remember that newspaper story about sheep tripping on mushrooms a few pages back? Well, those same sheep DIE if they eat phallaris grass (the grass some people extract 5-MeO-DMT and DMT from to smoke and have a great time, but if they eat it NOTHING HAPPENS). Ketamine may anesthetize a cat but it will KILL a buffalo. That's how different people are from animals, and
different animals are from each other. Do you roll on the floor and and jump around manically pouncing on anything that sways in the wind for hours on end if you eat catnip, then meow longingly at the cupboard after its put away?

Why is it that the idea that different nervous systems and bodies with different liver enzymes, different receptor affinities, different blood brain barrier permeabilities, emotional instincts, etc. could result in unpredictable subjective states seems to be the last idea to occur in these threads? So many assume the animal is tripping like we would, seeing aliens or demons or having cosmic realizations, and it's just like if we dosed a child, or that we're opening our hamster's third eye before it's ready. All we can say about giving animals drugs is that something is probably happening. Sometimes a drug has similar very broad overt behavioral effects (like sedatives putting animals to sleep, dogs losing motor coordination after drinking, monkeys self-administering IV cocaine until they die, squirrels eating cigarette butts in the park and killing each other over the last butts because they're addicted to nicotine), that's true, but we can never have any idea what affect they're having on an animal's subtle mind state, least of all how a "mind manifesting" psychedelic would manifest itself in minds very different from ours.
 
Self-administration studies are done all the time on rats, mostly, to investigate the 'addictiveness' of drugs. As well as drug discrimination studies to show if a certain drug behaves similarly to a more well known drug.

Those are with drugs that have a relatively immediate effect. You actually think a RAT has a "concept" or "understanding" that "hey, I am feeling this weird way because I drank from the bottle on the left an hour ago"??? Are you serious? Get a grip.

Are you people delusional or what? Musta watched too many cartoons with talking animals as a kids.
 
I gave my dachshund 5mg of adderall ... then 10mg another time.

He reacted fine the first time, seemed more "aware" of things. .


2nd time he got scared and wouldn't eat or drink ... with his tail between his legs.
 
I gave my dachshund 5mg of adderall ... then 10mg another time.

He reacted fine the first time, seemed more "aware" of things. .


2nd time he got scared and wouldn't eat or drink ... with his tail between his legs.

What a cruel jerk. I hope someone reports you to the cops and you get criminally charged with cruelty to animals. It's a real crime you know, and people pay fines or worse over it.
 
pso0donym said:
squirrels eating cigarette butts in the park and killing each other over the last butts because they're addicted to nicotine
Lol if that really happens. damn squirrels.

motiv311 asshole said:
I gave my dachshund 5mg of adderall ... then 10mg another time.
Why the fuck would you give a small dog this much, or at all? You are a piece of shit. I love dachshunds and the thought of one being hurt by an asshole like you makes me wish that he had a better owner.

A psychedelic for the right intentions/experimentation involving a bond between animal and human, or see if they can benefit, maybe but its far fetched that they get anything positive out of it, and to design an experiment like this would require a sedative if discomfort was shown, to be ethical. Ideally small doses while training the animal what is causing it to feel that way and let it decide if it wants more.

But giving a dog SPEED? Why the fuck did you do that?
 
Those are with drugs that have a relatively immediate effect. You actually think a RAT has a "concept" or "understanding" that "hey, I am feeling this weird way because I drank from the bottle on the left an hour ago"??? Are you serious? Get a grip.

Are you people delusional or what? Musta watched too many cartoons with talking animals as a kids.

Just saying, people give animals all sorts of drugs all the time. And some animals take some drugs voluntarily. Somewhere between this and giving drugs to your pets it becomes morally objectionable, which is interesting, I think.

Animal eats plant containing drug in the wild - fine, animal eats drug from it's owners hand - not fine...
Edit: And somewhere in the middle of this you have neurobiologists and pharmaceutical companies looking at the effects of drugs in animals.

I never said anything about how animals might experience any drug.
 
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