Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[SkagKush]

taking a turn for the worse.....been shooting again, which is bad because i dont know when my UA is.....

i need to get my shit on track again......i may need to up my dose.....being at 1mg has enabled me to use...

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just finished my Q, did another half point shot, and smoked slightly more than that......pretty sky high, however i smoked to many cigs today (only smoked when im using (for the most part)), and i hadn't smoked in a while, so i am feeling very green. also i over ate and had to much sugar, and tomuch water......o well, ill start to feel better now.... even pot didnt help,which is quite weird. lastly, the three pints i had around 3pm would not helping.....

ne ways, nodding hard..... getting hard to type.....

PEACE sKaG kUsH

 

[catcalls]

Ok guys well i have the answer, iv'ing suboxone does FUCK ALL, i had 8mg and whoever it was that said they would rather drink poppy tea is dead right, you cannot feel it.

Hi Astro,

I was the one who said I'd rather drink poppy tea. The reason? I've taken double my dose (6.4mg when on 3.2mg daily) and I felt like I got close to OD. My breathe turned really hot, I felt warm inside, too warm in fact.

And basically, I hated the 'high' I got from double dosing. I felt like I was experiencing respitory failure as well.

So, Subutex high is nothing like heroin. There is only one opiate that gives that effect, and that is heroin. Even poppy tea, after using heroin, would not effect you in the slightest.

So, I'd recommend a regular daily dose of Subs, with the added benefit of taking Poppy Tea on top. That actually works for some reason. Well, it does for me. I can drink a few cups of poppy tea on subutex, and feel mighty irie.

Whereas, if I used heroin, it blocks it completely.

Perhaps there is something in Poppy Tea that Subutex cannot block? But, that is just my experience. Don't take poppy tea tho. It's addictive as hell and the come down is a killer.

 

[*=Regulator=*]

taking a turn for the worse.....been shooting again, which is bad because i dont know when my UA is.....

i need to get my shit on track again......i may need to up my dose.....being at 1mg has enabled me to use...

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just finished my Q, did another half point shot, and smoked slightly more than that......pretty sky high, however i smoked to many cigs today (only smoked when im using (for the most part)), and i hadn't smoked in a while, so i am feeling very green. also i over ate and had to much sugar, and tomuch water......o well, ill start to feel better now.... even pot didnt help,which is quite weird. lastly, the three pints i had around 3pm would not helping.....

ne ways, nodding hard..... getting hard to type.....

PEACE sKaG kUsH

Not judging in any way at all but it seems like you are regularly getting to a certain point and then going back to dope and alcohol.

Is there any support you can draw on to help you stay on track for longer periods of time? Maybe a detox or rehab would be a good idea at this point.

Best of luck mate.

 

[SkagKush]

^ im fine..... i was clean for three months......i never inteneded to stop drinking..... and i only slipped up like twice......and thats because i wanted to....i fully chose to use....

 

[*=Regulator=*]

Cool. It's just that you said you were 'taking a turn for the worse'. I took that to mean you were having some difficulties. Sorry for misinterpreting you.

 

[cj]

Whats up guys Im about to make the leap off the bupe for economic reasons I cant afford tgo continue treatment.I have tapered my dose down to 1mg a day and I still ahve 20 8mg subs left. My plan is to taper a little lower and get me through finals for the next 2 weeks then when I go home for christmas im gonna jump on hydrocodone for a while then taper off that and deal with withdrawl around christmas. I have some questions.
1. which would be better hydrocodone or oxycodone?
2. How much hydrocodone is equal to 1 mg of bupe?
3. My understanding is that if I switch to a short acting opiod for a few weeks then I will become dependant on it and my withdrawl will last only 3-4days instead of the 3-4 weeks for bupe is that correct or am I dreaming?

I have been on bupe for a year if it matters. Thanks for any help or insight you can give me.

 

[SkagKush]

id suggest kratom for coming off bupe......

you have enough sub left that you can taper down to .25mg ( this is key ), and will make the WD much easier to handle......

1mg bupe equals 40mg morphine.......now just use a conversion chart

 

[JamtasticX]

I'm off to my bupe Dr. shortly.

I've been having to see him every two weeks, and make an extra visit for drug tests. I know that other people go once a month, and there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to. I've had clean urines, been taking my meds, don't cause problems.

I'm going to mention to him that I've been seeing him for a while, and we've been seeing each other every two weeks, and especially with the holidays coming up if we can meet once a month.

 

[SkagKush]

^ i know the feeling, i have maxed out on my take homes already....but that seems to be twice a week....4 on sat and 3 on wed......and i to have a doc appt once every two weeks....and now instead of a UA once a week, they just randomly call....which might b worse lol.........

 

[jamesBrown]

I'm off to my bupe Dr. shortly.

I've been having to see him every two weeks, and make an extra visit for drug tests. I know that other people go once a month, and there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to. I've had clean urines, been taking my meds, don't cause problems.

I'm going to mention to him that I've been seeing him for a while, and we've been seeing each other every two weeks, and especially with the holidays coming up if we can meet once a month.

Yea, I feel bad for you. You really should tell your doctor something like....
"I've been coming too you for a while now, and ive pretty much always cooperated as far as my DT's and taking my meds, etc...and you really have no reason to not trust me, and since its the holidays coming up and I want to be able to go out of town for a long vacation with my family, I think we should try moving our appointments to every month, and then keep it like that from now on, not only because it shows trust and helps me work on becoming independantly sober/clean, but it will cost me half as much money if I have to pay for one less visit each month."

...just something like that....and if he is a good doctor and not just a money making machine, he shoulud atleast seriously consider it. Unless you have had problems that you arent telling us about like you have failed a DT or two, or maybe you missed an appointment, I dont know, maybe you could have gotten into a fight with him for all I know....but as long as everything is cool between you two, I dont see why he would say no.....especially if you have a good trusting relationship.

 

[Suboxone]

10 days off bupe, I use (15mg hydrocodone), parents find out and are insisting I go back on bupe.

what do i do, fellow BLers? any advice?

 

[homeydontplaythat]

what the FUCK. they gave you suboxone to get off vicodin?! i guess it would be ok to detox you but christ, going on BMT from vicodin is fucked.

 

[Suboxone]

what the FUCK. they gave you suboxone to get off vicodin?! i guess it would be ok to detox you but christ, going on BMT from vicodin is fucked.

no, you dont get it.

i was on subutex maintenance for a year and weaned off almost two weeks ago. monday i used 15mg hydrocodone, now my parents are insisting that i go back on subutex. also, i was on subutex for pain more so than for dependance. my doctor wasn't comfortable giving me full agonists and opted to give me subutex instead.

 

[SubDude]

^ Is your dr a psych, gp or pain mgt? I always thought bupe for pain mgt is different than BMT. I wouldn't think state law regulations/requirements for ORT would apply for pain? Did dr require any kind of urine screens or counseling? In my state they require monthly dr visits and Urines for BMT. Otherwise... not needed. Just curious....

 

[JamtasticX]

Yea, I feel bad for you. You really should tell your doctor something like....
"I've been coming too you for a while now, and ive pretty much always cooperated as far as my DT's and taking my meds, etc...and you really have no reason to not trust me, and since its the holidays coming up and I want to be able to go out of town for a long vacation with my family, I think we should try moving our appointments to every month, and then keep it like that from now on, not only because it shows trust and helps me work on becoming independantly sober/clean, but it will cost me half as much money if I have to pay for one less visit each month."

...just something like that....and if he is a good doctor and not just a money making machine, he shoulud atleast seriously consider it. Unless you have had problems that you arent telling us about like you have failed a DT or two, or maybe you missed an appointment, I dont know, maybe you could have gotten into a fight with him for all I know....but as long as everything is cool between you two, I dont see why he would say no.....especially if you have a good trusting relationship.

He's a fucking douche bag, he considered it for half a second, then even agreed with me that I'm doing good and what not, however, after the holidays (assuming I don't fuck up, and he said, but you'll probably fuck up) then I get to go once a month.

Ugh, so fucking irritating!!!!

Then I told him about December, and x-mas, new years eve, a ski trip I have plannned. Should I drive back from skiing to take a drug test, go back skiing, drive back another day for the meeting.

Hopefully the next apt he'll realise that I'm either going to be sick, or he'll need to cut me some slack. Plus, if it keeps going every 2 weeks until January one of the meetings will be a few days before new years eve, he won't be there, so I'll end up getting screwed and rescheduled and shit.

so angry

 

[jamesBrown]

He's a fucking douche bag, he considered it for half a second, then even agreed with me that I'm doing good and what not, however, after the holidays (assuming I don't fuck up, and he said, but you'll probably fuck up) then I get to go once a month.

Ugh, so fucking irritating!!!!

Then I told him about December, and x-mas, new years eve, a ski trip I have plannned. Should I drive back from skiing to take a drug test, go back skiing, drive back another day for the meeting.

Hopefully the next apt he'll realise that I'm either going to be sick, or he'll need to cut me some slack. Plus, if it keeps going every 2 weeks until January one of the meetings will be a few days before new years eve, he won't be there, so I'll end up getting screwed and rescheduled and shit.

so angry

That sucks.

Good luck man. Let us know how it goes...

 

[catcalls]

He's a fucking douche bag, he considered it for half a second, then even agreed with me that I'm doing good and what not, however, after the holidays (assuming I don't fuck up, and he said, but you'll probably fuck up) then I get to go once a month.

Ugh, so fucking irritating!!!!

Then I told him about December, and x-mas, new years eve, a ski trip I have plannned. Should I drive back from skiing to take a drug test, go back skiing, drive back another day for the meeting.

Hopefully the next apt he'll realise that I'm either going to be sick, or he'll need to cut me some slack. Plus, if it keeps going every 2 weeks until January one of the meetings will be a few days before new years eve, he won't be there, so I'll end up getting screwed and rescheduled and shit.

so angry

You know what my mother would have said...'You should have thought of that before taking the heroin'

Yeah, she can be annoying too.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

He's a fucking douche bag, he considered it for half a second, then even agreed with me that I'm doing good and what not, however, after the holidays (assuming I don't fuck up, and he said, but you'll probably fuck up) then I get to go once a month.

Ugh, so fucking irritating!!!!

Then I told him about December, and x-mas, new years eve, a ski trip I have plannned. Should I drive back from skiing to take a drug test, go back skiing, drive back another day for the meeting.

Hopefully the next apt he'll realise that I'm either going to be sick, or he'll need to cut me some slack. Plus, if it keeps going every 2 weeks until January one of the meetings will be a few days before new years eve, he won't be there, so I'll end up getting screwed and rescheduled and shit.

so angry

I would go find another Suboxone doctor who doesn't mind doing 1x a month visits, go to him, get a full month prescription. Then, promptly go over to your original doctor and tell him to fuck himself.

Not being able to spend the holidays with your family BECAUSE of bullshit like this is a REASON why people relapse in the first place!

10 days off bupe, I use (15mg hydrocodone), parents find out and are insisting I go back on bupe.

what do i do, fellow BLers? any advice?

Tell your parents you are a pain patient, and taking 15mg of hydrocodone isn't enough to get high off of, so they have nothing to worry about.

It's not like you just shot up multiple bags of heroin or anything....

 

[Pegasus]

10 days off bupe, I use (15mg hydrocodone), parents find out and are insisting I go back on bupe.

what do i do, fellow BLers? any advice?

Explain to them that hydrocodone is a comparatively weak opiate and that you took a very small dose of it to ease the protracted w/d symptoms of bupe. Explain that 15mg hydrocodone is equivalent to a tiny crumb of a Suboxone pill, and that by going back on bupe, you will be getting addicted to a much stronger opiate, at a much higher dose. If they want you to be clean from opiates, this is a step backwards for sure.

I'm going to proselytize kratom use again here... Kratom is very similar in effects to hydrocodone, and that feeling you got with 15mg hydrocodone could easily be replicated with kratom. Kratom is legal and easily obtainable in the USA (it seems that's where you are from...)

 

[SkagKush]

i had a brutal sleep.... didn't drift off until like 8 am.....

but took 1mg at 3 and no PW.........which is very good, i was nodding till all hours of the night.....