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Have any of you guys found that your cannabis growing hobby has been a gateway to gardening in general? I've got an obsession with growing super hot chillis, raspberries, blueberries and so on. The list in endless and I love it. Before I started growing weed I thought gardening was a boring hobby that only old people partake in.

I just bought some lovely blueberries today that I plan to plant.
 
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I have always had a vague interest in agriculture sense my grandfather owned a nursery. As a child I helped him inside greenhouses and outside I got to drive tractors around gardens. It was really fun and ultimately got me interested in growing but at the time I didn't care so much for gardening and I thought the same thing as you did about it (gardens are for old people---and my grandparents were pretty old).

It wasn't until I started growing cannabis that I really got into it and actually found my thumb. Now I am teaching my neighbors how to plant their tomatoes....it's pretty fun to garden now.
 
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If you're growing normal cannabis, you can't veg on less than 15 hours a day, as they'll start to go straight into flower. So, this would limit your yield to start off with.

Also, you cannot get more than about 50g of bud with a 62W light, which is a hell of a lot less than a 600W light for example, which can give you 600g or more, ten times the amount your light can produce. Most people struggle to get a gram per watt on HIDs, so you wouldn't be able to achieve this with fluoros at all.

Also, HPS lights piss all over any fluorescent light in flowering and MH or HPS also piss over fluorescents for veg as well. Although, as I said, you can veg with fluoros, technology has moved on mate. I'm not sure what you're talking about to be honest.

I'm not going to dick around, the idea that you can do a good grow on 'low light' a 'few hours of light' is rediculous. And I don't care how many photos you post.

I apologise if the tone of my post seems harsh. It's just that I find it irritating that somebody can come along who is obviously clueless about the issue and say that I'll believe anything I read on the internet. Not only is it ironic, but it's potentially damaging as newbies might come along and believe what you say.
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Apparently, it is possible - I'm working on this for some years already (and results are not bad at all). I believe that, after another several years of selective breeding (and other techniques) I could come out with variety which will grow, blossom and be harvested using just 8 hours of light or less and still have good potency (think about savings on the electricity bill). I'm also working on variety which will be able to grow at low temperatures. I already am able to grow at temperatures that never rich 15C.

Given, these babies are mutants (plus I played with a genes a bit) but I smoked buds = very good. Yield is better than I originally expected but it needs 3-4 weeks longer to finish compared with most varieties of cannabis.

And about the yields under fl: it's already on the market a variety (from the colleague breeder) that finishes under 6 weeks. Yield, for now, is 3-6 grams per plant, but that's only beginning - in a few years expect varieties that will finish in about 4 weeks with the yield and potency as good as any other variety.

I apologise if the tone of my post seems harsh. It's just that I find it irritating that somebody can come along who is obviously clueless about the issue and say that I'll believe anything I read on the internet. Not only is it ironic, but it's potentially damaging as newbies might come along and believe what you say.
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If people think like you then you will still be smoking hemp. Everything is possible and many varieties of cannabis (and the new ones are coming almost daily), incredible and still rising potency, unheard of yields prove that point. Nowadays, with the use of gene manipulation, be ready to witness absolutely amazing breakthroughs in the years that come.
 
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marygreen said:
Apparently, it is possible - I'm working on this for some years already (and results are not bad at all). I believe that, after another several years of selective breeding (and other techniques) I could come out with variety which will grow, blossom and be harvested using just 8 hours of light or less and still have good potency (think about savings on the electricity bill).

Given, these babies are mutants (plus I played with a genes a bit) but I smoked buds = very good. Yield is better than I originally expected but it needs 3-4 weeks longer to finish compared with most varieties of cannabis.

And about the yields under fl: it's already on the market a variety (from the colleague breeder) that finishes under 6 weeks. Yield, for now, is 3-6 grams per plant, but that's only beginning - in a few years expect varieties that will finish in about 4 weeks with the yield and potency as good as any other variety.

If people think like you then you will still be smoking hemp. Everything is possible and many varieties of cannabis (and the new ones are coming almost daily), incredible and still rising potency, unheard of yields prove that point. Nowadays, with the use of gene manipulation, be ready to witness absolutely amazing breakthroughs in the years that come.
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I find it hard to take you seriously. You can't get a plant that yields anything worthwhile in a few hours (or even 8 ) under those low power lights since the plants can't produce enough energy through photosynthesis to do this. So unless you're breaking the laws of nature and physics, I seriously doubt this. And unless you're actually using genetic modification in a lab your claims are not credible.

3-6 grams per plant? I yield between 300g and 1kg (dry, not wet) per plant, which is potentially hundreds of times greater than the yield of those plants. 3 grams per plant is, well it speaks for itself. You saying you'll achieve xyz is quite different from your claim that 'sure it's possible to do quality grow under low light and with just few hours of daylight'. So you actually haven't achieve this at all. You just think you will in a few years time. Right then 8)

I think you don't really have a grasp of what breeding is actually all about and what breeders are actually trying to achieve.

edit: I like your wording i.e. 'apparently' it is possible.
 
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w01fg4ng said:
^ Nice! Artificial Emotion!

I have always had a vague interest in agriculture sense my grandfather owned a nursery. As a child I helped him inside greenhouses and outside I got to drive tractors around gardens. It was really fun and ultimately got me interested in growing but at the time I didn't care so much for gardening and I thought the same thing as you did about it (gardens are for old people---and my grandparents were pretty old).

It wasn't until I started growing cannabis that I really got into it and actually found my thumb. Now I am teaching my neighbors how to plant their tomatoes....it's pretty fun to garden now.
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Same thing here really. I helped my grandparents as a kid and this shaped my view of the hobby. I also never really got to grow food as a kid, just boring bedding flowers in my granparents garden. I don't know about you, but I want every plant I grow to be productive, giving me food, cannnabis or other medicines. A lot of these vegetables and fruit are pretty in their own right in my opinion and look just as good as a superficial flower. I think old people like our grandparents had to garden as they lived in a time when people were encouraged to 'dig for victory' and it was a way of life back then.

I'm actually going to buy myself a brand new glasshouse which I've found for peanuts given what it is (only about £220). It's 6' x 8' and has horticultural glass instead of cheap plastic polycarbonate panels. I'm planning on painting it with greenhouse shading which should obscure the neighbours' view and allow me to grow weed in private as it lets more than enough light through. I'll probably get it next Thursday and I can't wait.

I also bought some opium poppies, specifically the notoriously potent, Persian White seeds. They were so cheap since I bought them on Ebay for pence. I plan to get 100 cheap jiffy plugs since 100 will cost about £4 and is perfect since I'll have 100 seeds. They're legal to grow so I'll plant them in my garden I think and discreetly harvest the opium which I'll impregnate my cannabis with!! I can't wait.
 
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I find it hard to take you seriously. You can't get a plant that yields anything worthwhile in a few hours (or even 8 ) under those low power lights since the plants can't produce enough energy through photosynthesis to do this. So unless you're breaking the laws of nature and physics, I seriously doubt this. And unless you're actually using genetic modification in a lab your claims are not credible.

3-6 grams per plant? I yield between 300g and 1kg (dry, not wet) per plant, which is potentially hundreds of times greater than the yield of those plants. 3 grams per plant is, well it speaks for itself. You saying you'll achieve xyz is quite different from your claim that 'sure it's possible to do quality grow under low light and with just few hours of daylight'. So you actually haven't achieve this at all. You just think you will in a few years time. Right then 8)

I think you don't really have a grasp of what breeding is actually all about and what breeders are actually trying to achieve.

edit: I like your wording i.e. 'apparently' it is possible.
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Anyhow, be ready to get your 1 kg buds per plant in a several years using 4-8 hours of daylight per day. It's closer than you think ;).

Growing successfully under fl is a fact. Many people does it and most of them are satisfied with results. And if you live in some kind of apartment building, fl is the only option you have.

3-6 grams per plant: I have confirmation that someone produced a strain that takes less than 3 weeks from germination to harvest. Next step would be to dramatically increase yield and still keep it to about 2 weeks. As anything else these days, plant breeding is doing a giant leap forward.

Today you can't breed successfully without some kind of gene manipulation. Which opens many doors previously closed. Brace yourself and be ready for incredible things happening in the next several years.
 
marygreen said:
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Anyhow, be ready to get your 1 kg buds per plant in a several years using 4-8 hours of daylight per day. It's closer than you think ;).

Growing successfully under fl is a fact. Many people does it and most of them are satisfied with results. And if you live in some kind of apartment building, fl is the only option you have.

3-6 grams per plant: I have confirmation that someone produced a strain that takes less than 3 weeks from germination to harvest. Next step would be to dramatically increase yield and still keep it to about 2 weeks. As anything else these days, plant breeding is doing a giant leap forward.

Today you can't breed successfully without some kind of gene manipulation. Which opens many doors previously closed. Brace yourself and be ready for incredible things happening in the next several years.
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i dont think people will like the idea of GM cannabis. In fact i think they will reject it more than traditional marijuana.

and for 3-6 grams in three weeks thats pretty pointless

who wants a bunch of 6 gram nugs in 3 weeks when you take 8 weeks with a HID and produce an ounce a week essentially, if you get a half P. you would need 37 6 gram nugs to match FL to HID
 
i dont think people will like the idea of GM cannabis. In fact i think they will reject it more than traditional marijuana.
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Good point. But... Everything GM is here to stay I'm afraid. That's called progress. How we humans evolve we tend to evolve other living organisms to our benefit.

BTW, first genes manipulation on this planet happened long before humans were around: it was done when early life (in the sea) evolved to breathe oxygen. It's done by nature or god and is classic example of gene manipulation. Without GM we will still live under the water. So GM is not something we humans invented.

and for 3-6 grams in three weeks thats pretty pointless
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Agree again, but that's how the progress happen, in little steps (every journey starts with the first step). And because first step was done, everything else is just mater of patience. Once the strain(s) is stabilized effort will start to rise yield and potency. And it will be done, and rather soon I would think.
 
marygreen said:
Good point. But... Everything GM is here to stay I'm afraid. That's called progress. How we humans evolve we tend to evolve other living organisms to our benefit.

BTW, first genes manipulation on this planet happened long before humans were around: it was done when early life (in the sea) evolved to breathe oxygen. It's done by nature or god and is classic example of gene manipulation. Without GM we will still live under the water. So GM is not something we humans invented.



Agree again, but that's how the progress happen, in little steps (every journey starts with the first step). And because first step was done, everything else is just mater of patience. Once the strain(s) is stabilized effort will start to rise yield and potency. And it will be done, and rather soon I would think.
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"Everything GM is here to stay I'm afraid. That's called progress. How we humans evolve we tend to evolve other living organisms to our benefit."

I think you are confusing GM with evolved. Certain strains of GM corn have been banned. but the corn itself a plant that has been modified over thousands of years of agriculture,it "evolved" to be this huge thing, nothing like its original state. SO in that sense the GM of corn is here to stay. and even real GMO corn is here to stay. but the market is not showing a liking to GMO products. And just because something has been bred ans selected alot does not make it GMO in the sense that people will reject it. It is still natural. once you put fish genes in plants and cows genes in frogs then you get people pissed off and afraid.


" it was done when early life (in the sea) evolved to breathe oxygen. It's done by nature or god and is classic example of gene manipulation"

This is not genetic manipulation in the sense of Biotechnology, that is EVOLUTION via natural selection. GENE MUTATION is the driving force behind the selection.

"So GM is not something we humans invented."

but if we were to modify cannabis whatever way, VIA genetic modification,
this is unnatural and we humans did indeed invent this.
what if they made cannabis able to kill other plants by giving it the dna of some jungle root that kills all other roots it contacts, this could lead to unforeseen future complications, because it did not happen over thousands of years, all of a sudden cannabis wipes out all plant matter on earth. Ok that is a bit far fetched, but i could see some bad things about actually messing with the DNA not just selective breeding.

NO doubt man has genetically modified cannabis by selecting for high thc, high yield etc. But we have not seen the results of Inserting foreign genetic material into cannabis and having it utilize other traits. The real organic freaks will not be ok with that. I am not saying people will reject buds that have been bred, just ones that have been GENETICALLY MODIFIED by people in white coats, not via traditional breeding.

"And because first step was done, everything else is just mater of patience. Once the strain(s) is stabilized effort will start to rise yield and potency."

it took them 15 years to develop tomatoes that ripened uniformly, and could handle the stress of machine harvesting. this is with the assistance of university level breeding programs.


I just think that growing under FLs is not worth the effort required to develop this "super" strain. It is just too specific.
I think you shouldn't hold your breath.
 
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LOL again shocked at what im reading 8)

3 weeks from germination to harvest, really? And you have confirmation from where? If that were fact im sure a few of us would have heard about it already.

It's hard to take you seriously on alot of things you say.

Basically your trying to prove a point, that isnt worth trying to prove in the first place, to people that really know their stuff. And to top it off, your trying to use "facts" that noone here as heard of before.
 
Sometimes I think it's pointless arguing with someone like that over something like this. It doesn't really matter what you say to them, they'll always be right (or think they are, lol).

3 weeks from germination to harvest? I get the feeling he/she is just taking the piss, since that's laughable. If you are, then well done, you had me going there for a minute!
 
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Sometimes I think it's pointless arguing with someone like that over something like this. It doesn't really matter what you say to them, they'll always be right (or think they are, lol).

3 weeks from germination to harvest? I get the feeling he/she is just taking the piss, since that's laughable. If you are, then well done, you had me going there for a minute!
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Word.

If it IS possible what are you getting like a gram of bud? You may as well go buy it! Infct your better off with the electricity, water, and time consumed.


He is somewhat right about the FL though. I seen it done, and am doing it myself. But Im just using the FL to start off untill they get bigger and I got a few bucks too upgrade too a 250 HID light (about 150 bucks where I live).

I have grown for four years now, all outdoor and I can't even imagine putting a plant into flowering in 3 weeks. Not even worth it. If I'm not getting ATLEAST four ounces (and thats like the bare minimum I would even consider), not even worth my time.
 
I think T5 or even T8 fluorescent tubes can be a lot better than people think and certainly have their place. For me they are the light of choice for rooting cuttings, seeds and for the early stage of vegging. They can be used throughout the whole vegetative stage with success but HIDs are superior without a shadow of a doubt. For flowering they will produce an inferior end result and should be avoided in my opinion.

These days HIDs are a lot cheaper than they used to be and really are the best choice.
 
The number is the diameter in 8ths of an inch. So, T5 is five eights of an inch in diameter.

T8 isn't available in the UK AFAIK and might be slightly less efficient than T5 tubes (don't quote me on that though).
 
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They're lookin' GREAT Arob!! I just cut my 2 smallest last night, the purple kush and a small sour..ill get
a few pics up when possible, probably tomorrow..anyway....how many weeks in r ya? If I were to guess, week 5 or 6?
 
that is grape ape in soil.

MUNCH- i am not sure but your guess is about as good as mine. probly week 6.
i just threw them into the flowering cab did not take notice of the date. i just upsized one of them to a 3 gallon cuz it was in a one gallon. im doin a comparison. to see the effect of rootbound on yield
 
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