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Why isn't Ecstasy legal?

This example is exactly the type of apples and oranges comparison I was talking about. Alcohol and MDMA are completely different chemicals. A gallon of vodka a day would keep someone quite smashed all day. Say someone was taking 5 plus grams of pure MDMA each day in order to remain smashed as they can be. Are you saying they will just be fine after a few months of that type of abuse? Both of these cases will result in damage in different ways. One is not safer than the other.

What I'm saying is that mdma has less propensity for the long term excessive abuse you're referring to because, as I stated, it stops working...long before you get to taking 5 grams a day.

Alcohol, on the other hand, will continue getting you "high" with continually increased dosage. Mdma will not.
 
well i think comparing mdma and ethyl alch is retarted, as human beings we can tolerate alchohol to a much greater degree than mdma, if we used mdma as a legal drug and so forth we would have alot of people inflicting brain damage on serotonin axons and such, it is a safe drug only and i repeat ONLY when used so in a manner that consists of maybe 300mg or so every couple months. its really not all that safe and it can really become quite a nasty thing
 
and to argue that side point that the loss of magic would result in people not abusing it is utterly false, no matter what it is going to produce some effects maybe not the magic of mdma we are use to but some stimulation that could be just as enjoyable to certain people as meth and such, its a schedule 1 drug for a reason it can really fuck live, iv seen it. it just isnt worth investing so much into a substance,
 
dude it is pretty bad when abused hommie, a better question is y is weed a Schedule 1 still, lol (Mdma addiction cures itself in the long run because the shit just stops working. )

i mean i guess thats true but honestly long term effects are not relly known , depression other fun stuff... i love mdma too but i know exacally y its illeagal its to strong for the masses , too much x is relly relly bad
 
Some of the least harmful drugs are in Schedule I while meth, coke, killer opiates and amphetamines are Schedule II or III. Schedule I criteria are that a drug is harmful and has no potential for medical use, which is not true of MDMA and certainly not of cannabis, which is useful for every medical condition under the sun.

My theory is that so-called "youth" drugs like MDMA, LSD, pot and psilocybin--the ones that promote independent thinking and questioning of societal norms--are feared by the government for just these reasons. The last thing they want is another period like the 1960s (mass war protests, civil rights marches, sexual revolution, Woodstock and other public demonstrations of freedom) to which these drugs are inextricably linked. There's even a name for it--"Vietnam Syndrome".

Heroin, booze and other addictive drugs tranquilize the people into a state of complacency while psychedelics galvanize them into action, which is why covert government experiments with psychedelics were abruptly terminated in the 1950s and early '60s. These drugs may not be as widely used today if not for those studies and people like Ken Kesey, who made off with government supplies of mescaline and other drugs and shared them with friends. Way to go, CIA :)

That's my perspective anyway. We all know MDMA is not in Schedule I because of any real risk to health or safety, especially compared to lesser controlled drugs like nicotine, alcohol and painkillers. The medical and scientific evidence supports the safety of responsible MDMA use, so this is not the issue.
 
well i think comparing mdma and ethyl alch is retarted, as human beings we can tolerate alchohol to a much greater degree than mdma, if we used mdma as a legal drug and so forth we would have alot of people inflicting brain damage on serotonin axons and such, it is a safe drug only and i repeat ONLY when used so in a manner that consists of maybe 300mg or so every couple months. its really not all that safe and it can really become quite a nasty thing

Are you a doctor or pharmacologist? 300mg every couple months, huh? So I guess 300mg isn't neurotoxic?

It's still bad for your brain in low doses. The question is does it cause permanent damage? The answer according to studies is no.

Regarding alcohol, have you seen someone dying of liver failure? I used to work in the medical field, and I can tell you it ain't pretty.
 
Some of the least harmful drugs are in Schedule I while meth, coke, killer opiates and amphetamines are Schedule II or III. Schedule I criteria are that a drug is harmful and has no potential for medical use, which is not true of MDMA and certainly not of cannabis, which is useful for every medical condition under the sun.

My theory is that so-called "youth" drugs like MDMA, LSD, pot and psilocybin--the ones that promote independent thinking and questioning of societal norms--are feared by the government for just these reasons. The last thing they want is another period like the 1960s (mass war protests, civil rights marches, sexual revolution, Woodstock and other public demonstrations of freedom) to which these drugs are inextricably linked. There's even a name for it--"Vietnam Syndrome".

Heroin, booze and other addictive drugs tranquilize the people into a state of complacency while psychedelics galvanize them into action, which is why covert government experiments with psychedelics were abruptly terminated in the 1950s and early '60s. These drugs may not be as widely used today if not for those studies and people like Ken Kesey, who made off with government supplies of mescaline and other drugs and shared them with friends. Way to go, CIA :)

That's my perspective anyway. We all know MDMA is not in Schedule I because of any real risk to health or safety, especially compared to lesser controlled drugs like nicotine, alcohol and painkillers. The medical and scientific evidence supports the safety of responsible MDMA use, so this is not the issue.

^Exactly
 
Some of the least harmful drugs are in Schedule I while meth, coke, killer opiates and amphetamines are Schedule II or III. Schedule I criteria are that a drug is harmful and has no potential for medical use, which is not true of MDMA and certainly not of cannabis, which is useful for every medical condition under the sun.

My theory is that so-called "youth" drugs like MDMA, LSD, pot and psilocybin--the ones that promote independent thinking and questioning of societal norms--are feared by the government for just these reasons. The last thing they want is another period like the 1960s (mass war protests, civil rights marches, sexual revolution, Woodstock and other public demonstrations of freedom) to which these drugs are inextricably linked. There's even a name for it--"Vietnam Syndrome".

Heroin, booze and other addictive drugs tranquilize the people into a state of complacency while psychedelics galvanize them into action, which is why covert government experiments with psychedelics were abruptly terminated in the 1950s and early '60s. These drugs may not be as widely used today if not for those studies and people like Ken Kesey, who made off with government supplies of mescaline and other drugs and shared them with friends. Way to go, CIA :)

That's my perspective anyway. We all know MDMA is not in Schedule I because of any real risk to health or safety, especially compared to lesser controlled drugs like nicotine, alcohol and painkillers. The medical and scientific evidence supports the safety of responsible MDMA use, so this is not the issue.

This is a fantastic post. I never thought of it that way....ironically enough my favorite drugs are MDMA and psilocybin, and I actually don't care too much for alcohol as it makes me dumber and the buzz feeling isn't that great IMO compared to a high from psychadelics. I just drink to loosen up and have something to hold in social settings.

Regarding my original post though....is there a reason Joe Schmo PHD can't go to a federal court and appeal the legal status of these drugs? I thought that's the way the court system worked...present a case to argue for a desired result and if the evidence is strong enough the court rules in your favor.
 
^Mdma has MANY positive effects, some of which I think would make certain pharms obsolete...mainly all the overprescribed anti-depressants, but others as well. I'd guess the pharm co's would step in and stop the process. I'm sure they can be pretty influential with campaign contributions. Also, the DEA is BIG business. Less drugs to chase = less jobs.
 
georgewc2001,
the toxicity,is very dose responsive and dependent to individuals, and conditions. I'm not saying 300mg is safe but the ability to directly play with mono-amines can be and is dangerous (and thats the case with MDMA) and detrimental, now dont get me wrong alcohol in certain people can be even worse, but short term mdma will throw you down the rabbit hole faster with a host of mental problems. its wonderful it really is but there is potential for it to be a nasty chemical with huge changes in the individual very soon after use.
 
georgewc2001
^Mdma has MANY positive effects, some of which I think would make certain pharms obsolete...mainly all the overprescribed anti-depressants, but others as well. I'd guess the pharm co's would step in and stop the process. I'm sure they can be pretty influential with campaign contributions. Also, the DEA is BIG business. Less drugs to chase = less jobs.

comparing mdma to antidepressants which there are many variates of antidepressants is strange, mdma is very toxic to serotonin axons both pre and post synaptic, due to many complicated factors, such as serotonin re uptake and dopamine re uptake into sertonin receptors

were as antidepressants like ssri's, snri's, sri's host no toxicity only changes in the amount of the certain mono-amines being reuptaken resulting in more of those mono-amines in the brain allow for changes to occur
 
^First of all, both effect seratonin...also, anti-depressants are often used along with therapy

How much therapy do you think would be needed with mdma vs with anti-depressants?
 
I don't care how many problems people say mdma has or whether it has medicinal use or not, the bottom line is

ALCOHOL IS LEGAL AND MDMA IS NOT AND THAT IS BULLSHIT

Alcohol causes more problems than most other drugs combined...it's political bullshit!

It's all about the money folks, and yes it is complete bullshit.
 
MDMA is my drug of choice but it comes with dangers, using it more than monthly inevitably will bite you in the arse. Of course everyone is different and some may be able to do it weekly for a while and not suffer consequences, others may do it 4 weeks in a row and feel shit for a long time. My original argument was that comparing MDMA to alcohol in regards to legalisation movements will not help the effort as its well known how bad alcohol is in excess. The more relevant argument that would be useful with alcohol is the problems that prohibition of alcohol caused. MDMA in excess is terrible in excess as well. Alcohol is also by per capita rates uses far more frequently overall in every country than MDMA is. I want nothing more than MDMA to be legal, but you have to be realistic about these things and accept that it does come with dangers like any drug. If used in small doses with harm reduction MDMA is relatively safe for most people, but the same could be said of alcohol used very infrequently. The issue is that it is very easy for many people to go too far with it.
 
Eating food and shooting meth both 'affect' dopamine, doesnt mean they are the same. Cannot compare anti-depressants and MDMA, different mechanism of action, just the same neurotransmitter. I hate anti-depressants being used so extensively and really any drug being used in therapy unless absolutely necessary.
 
Anti-depressants are bad news from my personal experience in the past, Prozac that the doctor gave me were making me feel far worse than what I already was and I took a dystonic reaction, having these crazy muscle spasms which left me in hospital.

Second type of anti-depressants called Citalopram that I was put on were giving me problems also, finding it hard to sleep, kept getting hissing and buzzing sounds in my right ear.

Now the doctor is looking to start me on Effexor, no chance! They can keep their anti-depressants and shove them up their holes.

I really hate alcohol, always makes me feel sick and black out. Makes me do stupid things that I regret the next day. I get bad memory loss now because of it.

I don't care how many problems people say mdma has or whether it has medicinal use or not, the bottom line is

ALCOHOL IS LEGAL AND MDMA IS NOT AND THAT IS BULLSHIT

Alcohol causes more problems than most other drugs combined...it's political bullshit!

Amen to that. I'd sit in a room full of wipe outs any day before I'd sit in a room full of drunks. Give me a come down over a hang over any day.
 
Its probably a schedule 1 drug because it can screw peoples lives up. Sure maybe not to the extent that some other drugs might but there is enough posted evidence in here to suggest that abuse will screw you up.

There are numerous arguments for and against the drug being legalised. Its not a simple question to answer.


I should also point out that in some countries being caught with Ecstasy could mean a death sentence. Specially in many asian countries.



I agree its schedule 1 because it has potential to fuck peoples lives up, also it appeals to the young.
Theres Lots of people in my region of usa who's DOC is mdma and they use it daily or multiple days a week. Straight up etards. Its like there tweekers but instead of lugging around a backpack full of tweeker tools they wear kandi to there elbows, ufo pants, bandana face masks while driving around windows down blaring dubstep..... Its not a substance to be taken lightly imo.
 
I agree its schedule 1 because it has potential to fuck peoples lives up, also it appeals to the young.

^Yea, but don't you think alcohol has the same potential (i'd say worse)? And, you can't tell me it doesn't appeal to young people.

Also, how many people die each year from drunk driving accidents?

And alcohol is legal...it's bs...all about bucks
 
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