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Why isn't Ecstasy legal?

Yerg said:
Wouldn't the store have more than 5 grams? And thus be breaking the law?
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Don't marijuana dispensaries have pounds and pounds of marijuana? Even with a green card it's a criminal offense to have a large amount, but dispensaries can sell as much as they want.
 
^ I don't really see the need for an arbitrary possession limit in the first place. You mentioned yourself that gangs don't push alcohol, but there's no possession limit on that.
 
RGB said:
^ I don't really see the need for an arbitrary possession limit in the first place. You mentioned yourself that gangs don't push alcohol, but there's no possession limit on that.
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The idea is also for harm reduction. When comparing MDMA and alcohol dose per dose, MDMA is small. So small, that it can easily be mixed into something and cause an overdose. You can drink too much, sure, but it's pretty hard to kill someone with liquor (unless you use it to torch the person) without them stopping you. Excess amounts of MDMA everywhere could cause a serious problem. Animals eating it, food and drink being contaminated with it, it could turn messy in a flash. MDMA is safe if used properly, and sadly, many people are not smart. The government has to protect it's citizens...from themselves.
 
TearItDown said:
The idea is also for harm reduction. When comparing MDMA and alcohol dose per dose, MDMA is small. So small, that it can easily be mixed into something and cause an overdose. You can drink too much, sure, but it's pretty hard to kill someone with liquor (unless you use it to torch the person) without them stopping you. Excess amounts of MDMA everywhere could cause a serious problem. Animals eating it, food and drink being contaminated with it, it could turn messy in a flash. MDMA is safe if used properly, and sadly, many people are not smart. The government has to protect it's citizens...from themselves.
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That's a good point actually, but I think the contamination issue should be approached by limiting production of it in the first place --- whether you sell a kilogram to one person or 1g to a thousand people, it's going to end up in the environment eventually.

The other point about people mixing it into each others' drinks is more cogent, but it assumes that someone is more likely to spike another person's drink with a huge amount of Ecstasy as they are to poison them. Of course, with people being largely uneducated about proper dosages, that may not be totally crazy...
 
RGB said:
That's a good point actually, but I think the contamination issue should be approached by limiting production of it in the first place --- whether you sell a kilogram to one person or 1g to a thousand people, it's going to end up in the environment eventually.

The other point about people mixing it into each others' drinks is more cogent, but it assumes that someone is more likely to spike another person's drink with a huge amount of Ecstasy as they are to poison them. Of course, with people being largely uneducated about proper dosages, that may not be totally crazy...
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I think supply and demand would kill the thought of limited production.

If MDMA were made legal I could see various products such as "Ecstasy Drinks", flavored drinks with specific doses of Ecstasy. Drink one too many or take someone else's E Drink by accident would probably result in many ER calls to have your stomach pumped before it's metabolized.

(Let's be honest, if it were perfectly legal and marketable, I don't think many people would stand for the bitter taste. People chase their 100 proof because it tastes awful.)
 
I think all drugs should be made legal (and regulated like alcohol is), it'll keep the supply out of the hands of criminals, it will cripple organized crime, it will make it harder for young kids to get their hands on drugs, crime rates would go down dramatically and I think drug death rates would too, and on and on... I could go on forever about why drugs should be legal. If someone is going to use a substance, they are going to use it regardless if it's legal or illegal. Keeping drugs illegal just gives criminals and organized crime the upper hand and makes drugs even more dangerous. Prohibition did not work with alcohol (which btw, is a FAR more dangerous drug than most of the illegal ones) and prohibition is not and will not ever work with drugs either.

It's way more dangerous to have ecstasy ILLegal than it is to legalize it. As of now, while its illegal, we are having to buy it from the black market (usually mass produced by a bunch of money hungry criminals who throw who the hell knows what into the pills/powder, whether dangerous or just fillers) and aside from those of us old enough to have a credit card and purchase a tester kit online, we're kind of just winging it, hoping for the best, but never really knowing what the hell is in our pills. If ecstasy wasn't illegal, a large percentage of the deaths that have occurred from ecstasy, probably wouldn't have occurred at all. Ecstasy being illegal all makes it dangerously easy for young kids to get their hands on it (and if you notice, most high profile e deaths are usually teenagers). Drug dealers do not give a flying shit how old you are, or how old your little brother or sister is, they just want money. Lots of them purposely seek out naive young kids bc they're easy targets and easy money. If ecstasy was legal and regulated, it would be far less easy for young kids to access it. The dude behind the counter cares how old you are, because his ass and his job are on the line. Like, for christ sakes, society treats alcohol as if its a far safer substance than street drugs, yet its HARDER for kids to get their hands on alcohol than it is for them to get drugs. WTF???

People need to STOP and think. Drugs are not illegal because the government wants to protect us and our children, they could care less about us, they have a very different agenda with the drug war. And lets not even get into the over-crowded jails, how there are more prisoners in prison due to non-violent drug charges than other, actual violent, harmful crimes. You are more likely to go to jail longer for selling pot seeds than for molesting a goddamn child. My victim-service worker told me that in recent, courts are leaning more towards rehabilitation and options like that, as opposed to jail sentences for convicted pedophiles, because jails are overcrowded... YEAH overcrowded with harmless, non-violent people convicted with drug charges. The pedos are getting rehab and the ppl w/drug charges are being jailed? Uhhh what the FUCK?

I could go on and on about this, I feel pretty passionately about it for a lot of reasons. I'm sick and tired of this ridiculous drug war, that is doing far more harm to society than good. :!
 
It would be nice fir the goverment in the uk for legal drugs say they was selling 100mg pill for £10 3.5gram weed 25£ they could make about 40% tax in the uk alone £2500000000 spent on drugs a year do the maths david Cameron fuck the spending cuts take the money out of the criminals hands I hope the government see this lol
 
Yes I think ecstasy should be legal, along with all other drugs. I do believe it would solve a lot of problems but the main reason I'm for legalization is because I don't think the government should have the right to control what someone can or can't put into their own body.
 
absolutely, given that everyone is properly informed of proper harm reduction in order to get said drug. The relatively few people that can chronically abuse this drug after this for an extended period of time are simply subject to natural selection. That's nature.
 
I belive that every chemical and plant was created from what God gave us or created himself, therefore NO government should have the right to take these away. Self exploration and discovery should not be rights taken away from people.
 
How is this chemical still a Schedule I controlled substance?

I just read in the archives that being caught with the intent to sell E can result in life in prison. LIFE IN PRISON.

What is wrong with our country? Isn't there some sort of way this can be appealed? The whole reason it's schedule I in the first place is based on inaccurate data and the justification for cracking down on the drug even more was based off of tests where animals were given METHamphetamine, not even actual MDMA.

We live in the "land of the free", but it sure doesn't seem like it. You would think it would be fairly simple to appeal to the courts, make a case for why the laws against this drug are inhumane, and get the law changed.

Guess not.
 
Its probably a schedule 1 drug because it can screw peoples lives up. Sure maybe not to the extent that some other drugs might but there is enough posted evidence in here to suggest that abuse will screw you up.

There are numerous arguments for and against the drug being legalised. Its not a simple question to answer.


I should also point out that in some countries being caught with Ecstasy could mean a death sentence. Specially in many asian countries.
 
MazDan said:
Its probably a schedule 1 drug because it can screw peoples lives up. Sure maybe not to the extent that some other drugs might but there is enough posted evidence in here to suggest that abuse will screw you up.

There are numerous arguments for and against the drug being legalised. Its not a simple question to answer.


I should also point out that in some countries being caught with Ecstasy could mean a death sentence. Specially in many asian countries.
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That's complete BS though. Do you know what a Schedule I controlled substance means? It means it has to fall in line with the following:

A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

It was ruled by the judge to be a Schedule III (which I would have no problem with) meaning that it is illegal recreationally but can be given out through prescription, just like Adderall or any other drug prescribed today. Unfortunately, the DEA just disregarded that ruling and made it a Schedule I regardless.

I'm just saying that there's so much fail in the war on drugs, you would think that instead of having to wait for politicians to do something about it we could do something about it. What is prohibiting someone going to the courts and making a strong case for it? Why wouldn't it work? Obviously it wouldn't or it would have been done by now, but i'd really like to know why.

Life in prison for selling a love drug. So sad.
 
Im not from the US.

I think it has a high potential for abuse. Im not aware of any accepted medical use although that is currently being worked on by MAPS and some others no doubt. And re C, I guess that depends on the small print that goes with that statement.

For what use would it be given out via prescription?
 
They are currently just ifs buts and maybes.

In time maybe things will become more concrete and if that happens then maybe the schedule will change.

However even if it does, it wont change the laws for illegal possesion or dealing etc which seems to be what your original post was about.
 
MazDan said:
They are currently just ifs buts and maybes.

In time maybe things will become more concrete and if that happens then maybe the schedule will change.

However even if it does, it wont change the laws for illegal possesion or dealing etc which seems to be what your original post was about.
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People don't go to prison for life for giving their prescription adderall to their college buddies to cram for an exam. I'm fine with it being illegal (though I think all drugs should be decriminalized personally), but the penalties are much much too harsh.

Think about it....being able to have clean, pure, regulated MDMA distributed from pharmaceutical companies. Ugh....life would be too good.
 
Hey man I love ecstasy but this battle is a pointless battle. We will never be able to do this beautiful drug without taking a risk. Whether its are health or worrying about police.

Its hard to even say how to handle this situation, I mean is it worth our time as users to fight people who no matter what you tell them their gonna believe what they want to believe. In my honest opinion I say we just keep it to ourselves, because in the end were the ones who get to have this experience while they don't.
 
I agree that there is huge potential for abuse with this drug, as with any drug.

I worked with a guy who DJ's clubs, and for a while he was doing pure MDMA every day. He doesn't come to work anymore, and suffers from massive depression and anxiety.

For the people who take MDMA responsibly, it would be nice to see it decriminalized, but it sets a bad precedent. There would be too many sanctions and stipulations. How can you tell the public that you can only do a legal drug a maximum of once a month? you can't. and when people start feeling the negative effects, they'd sue the government for it being legal.

i personally don't mind it being a controlled substance. i think it's good that it's not widely available. i also like the fact that it creates a sub-culture. those who know, know. everyone else is none the wiser.
 
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