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Why isn't Ecstasy legal?

ThizzMon$teR said:
Hey man I love ecstasy but this battle is a pointless battle. We will never be able to do this beautiful drug without taking a risk. Whether its are health or worrying about police.

Its hard to even say how to handle this situation, I mean is it worth our time as users to fight people who no matter what you tell them their gonna believe what they want to believe. In my honest opinion I say we just keep it to ourselves, because in the end were the ones who get to have this experience while they don't.
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With that mindset, marijuana legalization wouldn't have even made it on the ballot in California this year. I believe in the power of the people. Where there is a will there is a way, and we just have to be passionate enough to stand up and fight.

You may say that i'm a dreamer...


diytripper said:
For the people who take MDMA responsibly, it would be nice to see it decriminalized, but it sets a bad precedent. There would be too many sanctions and stipulations. How can you tell the public that you can only do a legal drug a maximum of once a month? you can't. and when people start feeling the negative effects, they'd sue the government for it being legal.
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Decriminalization =/= Legalization
 
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EpicurusFire said:
With that mindset, marijuana legalization wouldn't have even made it on the ballot in California this year. I believe in the power of the people. Where there is a will there is a way, and we just have to be passionate enough to stand up and fight.

You may say that i'm a dreamer...
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Im not trying to bring you down, trust me Im very much for standing up and fighting back, but drugs are the least of are problems in this country. We have to much on are plate to be worrying about drugs.
 
ThizzMon$teR said:
Im not trying to bring you down, trust me Im very much for standing up and fighting back, but drugs are the least of are problems in this country. We have to much on are plate to be worrying about drugs.
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You're right, but its also probably one of the easiest problems to fix. Whatever, I give up. Just thought i'd ask around, because it boggles my mind that its a schedule I substance and that it hasn't been appealed before.

Decriminalization of all drugs would be ideal. Just take a look at Portugal.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

Maybe I should just move there haha
 
On this point of drugs not being a huge problem compared to other problems, the value of the illegal drug trade is often compared with the money in the oil industry. It is a huge industry and it cannot just be ignored as an insignificant issue. Other problems of the world are notoriously intertwined with illegal drugs due to the money it provides. Eg WOD and WOT overlapping. Decriminalisation still leaves the monetary issue alive and well. MDMA can be abused easily and in ways it is good that some people do not have access to it, but at the same time nobody should be a criminal for simply possessing or using it.
 
EpicurusFire said:
You're right, but its also probably one of the easiest problems to fix. Whatever, I give up. Just thought i'd ask around, because it boggles my mind that its a schedule I substance and that it hasn't been appealed before.

Decriminalization of all drugs would be ideal. Just take a look at Portugal.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

Maybe I should just move there haha
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Hey man never give up. Look I use to be in a speech & debate class. One of my debates was all drugs should be legalized, in which I was on the for it side. I won but it was one of the hardest debates Ive ever argued.

Its hard to say what I believe in right now since I'm at a point in my life where my thoughts are intensified I guess you could say. But I will say we as Americans need to take a different approach on drugs and the people who use it. We shouldn't look down on someone for there abuse, we should help them, just like this site does. Rather than just saying no, there should be more videos out there showing what drugs can do to you. I remember my freshmen year we seen like two videos about then that was ever since.
 
ThizzMon$teR said:
Hey man never give up. Look I use to be in a speech & debate class. One of my debates was all drugs should be legalized, in which I was on the for it side. I won but it was one of the hardest debates Ive ever argued.

Its hard to say what I believe in right now since I'm at a point in my life where my thoughts are intensified I guess you could say. But I will say we as Americans need to take a different approach on drugs and the people who use it. We shouldn't look down on someone for there abuse, we should help them, just like this site does. Rather than just saying no, there should be more videos out there showing what drugs can do to you. I remember my freshmen year we seen like two videos about then that was ever since.
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Exactly. Honestly growing up with the DARE program and society brainwashing you that drugs are evil, it makes me mad. The approach to drugs in this country is awful. I remember being a kid and just hearing "drugs" had such a bad connotation. I remember seeing a drugstore when I was in the backseat of my parents' car and I asked how that was OK that people were just selling drugs out in the open. They responded that they weren't real "drugs", they were medicine that helped people.

The fact is, no drug is bad. It's society's view of them that makes them take on a bad connotation. Today's youth are getting smarter. They're realizing that drugs aren't evil substances, but instead substances that can yield amazing personal experiences with little to no harmful effects if used in moderation. It's only with abuse that these drugs turn nasty.

Drugs don't need to be feared, they need to be understood and respected. It's simple as that.
 
I believe that to a certain extent. All drugs are a medicine. The fact of the matter is people do abuse them, which I believe makes drugs very harmful. That's the reason a lot of them are illegal.
 
I don't care how many problems people say mdma has or whether it has medicinal use or not, the bottom line is

ALCOHOL IS LEGAL AND MDMA IS NOT AND THAT IS BULLSHIT

Alcohol causes more problems than most other drugs combined...it's political bullshit!
 
georgewc2001 said:
I don't care how many problems people say mdma has or whether it has medicinal use or not, the bottom line is

ALCOHOL IS LEGAL AND MDMA IS NOT AND THAT IS BULLSHIT

Alcohol causes more problems than most other drugs combined...it's political bullshit!
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THIS X 10000000

It goes to show how much of it is based on politics and ignorance and not facts
 
You know whats fucked up about Alcohol levels in America is very low and we still cant handle are shit. I had a friend who went to Scotland or Ireland, I'm not sure. Anyways he said their beer was thick and one large glass got you buzzed. I guess its cause we as Americans over indulge, people from other countries see it as more of a ritual where they bring their family to the bars or pups.
 
The alcohol thing is a useless argument when comparing to mdma. The context and usage rates are entirely different. If there was as much mdma being consumed as there was alcohol I would say mdma would be causing a lot more problems than it is. Not saying it should be illegal but not going to be good for an argument for pro-legalisation to compare apples and oranges
 
^You're saying if we were all consuming mdma instead of alcohol, we'd have more problems? Gotta respectfully disagree with you there.
 
Large proportions of people consuming mdma every single weekend year after year, multiple days in a row etc. Not saying there would be 'more' problems, they would be different problems but equal in their effect on society as a whole. If people were responsibly using mdma a few times a year with harm reduction methods and no binging then yes I agree with you there would be less problems. But I am talking about mdma being consumed at a similar rate as alcohol. If you could go down to the store and buy pure mdma consider the ramifications of uneducated morons abusing the shit out of this substance. Edit: By uneducated I mean uneducated about the harms of mdma. Alcohol is dangerous but so is mdma, we cannot pretend as if mdma is some magical harmless drug. Abusing it WILL fuck you up
 
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I abused mdma severely for years and I don't have any permanent side effects...except perhaps I can't smoke weed anymore, but that's probably a good thing. Not saying it's not possible, but I do believe alcohol is more damaging in the long run. Also, even if uneducated morons were to abuse the shit out of it, it would stop working and they'd have to stop. Mdma addiction cures itself in the long run because the shit just stops working.
 
Not always ^ Because even though you dont get the full effects you still get a "tickle" and people will chase the feeling. Why do you think meth is so addicting, they lose the full effects but chase it, same goes for MDMA.
 
MazDan said:
They are currently just ifs buts and maybes.

In time maybe things will become more concrete and if that happens then maybe the schedule will change.

However even if it does, it wont change the laws for illegal possesion or dealing etc which seems to be what your original post was about.
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if i would have known about mdma earlier i wouldn't have wasted a year of my life going through PTSD.

all it took was 50 mg of mdma to cure me of ptsd though.
 
ThizzMon$teR said:
Not always ^ Because even though you dont get the full effects you still get a "tickle" and people will chase the feeling. Why do you think meth is so addicting, they lose the full effects but chase it, same goes for MDMA.
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There's always a select few "knuckleheads" out there, but I'm talking about the majority. There's people who drink a gallon of vodka a day, which I'm pretty sure will lead to far worse consequences, including death, much more quickly than mdma.
 
This example is exactly the type of apples and oranges comparison I was talking about. Alcohol and MDMA are completely different chemicals. A gallon of vodka a day would keep someone quite smashed all day. Say someone was taking 5 plus grams of pure MDMA each day in order to remain smashed as they can be. Are you saying they will just be fine after a few months of that type of abuse? Both of these cases will result in damage in different ways. One is not safer than the other.
 
Good point ^

I use to have a homie who would drink a bottle of brandy a day. Till he rapped his caddy around a pole because he panicked when he saw a cop. Luckily he escaped with not a scratch on him but his caddy was one of the sickest cars Ive ever seen, now its a hunk of garbage.
 
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