Bupe Long-term effects of IV Suboxone (w/o filter)?

[Fix8Sed8Hallucin8]

Okay so I need to start getting micron filters to IV Suboxone, I know, but I've done it hundreds if not thousands of times since I started getting prescribed it 2 years ago. So what are the inactive ingredients doing to me? Perhaps if I see some serious damage coming to me in the foreseeable future I'll scrape some money aside and get on ordering some filters that don't come out of a cigarette. Haha sick, right? Anyways, was wondering if any of you knew the effects of continuous lung exposure/whatever else it could be doing of: lactose, mannitol, corn starch, povidine, citric acid, sodium citrate, magnesium stearate, acesulfame potassium, and whatever the hell is in the flavoring. Don't worry about Google because I can obviously do that I'm just seeing if this would yield any leads first.

 

[DopaMan]

There are possibly flecks of the shit sitting in your alveoli and such. Bupe could be jamming into microcapillaries and wreaking havoc with blood flow. Get a filter and be a little safer at least.

Ugh, IV bupe.

 

[disasterline]

when i dont have micron filters i use qtips, i filter it no less than 10 times. this is not as good as using a micron BUT i dont know if it this means anything or not but after the 10th filter, i get a liquid that looks just like the liquid from a micron filter, a clear orange.

any way filtering it more can not hurt

 

[QuasiStoned]

Yeh if you're gonna IV it at the very least invest in some microns man!

There are possibly flecks of the shit sitting in your alveoli and such. Bupe could be jamming into microcapillaries and wreaking havoc with blood flow. Get a filter and be a little safer at least.

Yep this is what you are risking

 

[Captain.Heroin]

No one really knows. Otherwise we would have more cases in the Case Studies thread with corn starch laden lungs.

To be honest, if you can afford to IV Suboxone, you can afford to micron filter.

Magnesium stearate is mostly not water soluble, it's one of the more negative inactives in Suboxone.

Corn starch is your biggest concern IMO.

I am pretty sure you can filter out most of the inactives with a 0.22um micron filter. I am still unsure if it gets all the cornstarch out, but it's better than not micron filtering.

 

[sixpartseven]

^ I'd be more concerned about the things that are water soluble. The point of filtering is to get nothing but the active drug in the solution. If a filler/binder/cut is soluble, it's going to get in your solution and not filtered out if it's small enough to make it through, much more easily than something that is insoluble.

The stuff that isn't soluble isn't a big deal because the filter stops it from getting in the rig and into your veins.

EDIT - I misread your post. You were saying the magnesium is one of the more negative components of Suboxone but it's insoluble, so not to worry so much about it, correct? If so, then we're saying the same thing.

I'll keep the original post as is though because it's important to know the reason behind filtering, for those who aren't filtering properly.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^ I'd be more concerned about the things that are water soluble. The point of filtering is to get nothing but the active drug in the solution. If a filler/binder/cut is soluble, it's going to get in your solution and not filtered out if it's small enough to make it through, much more easily than something that is insoluble.

The stuff that isn't soluble isn't a big deal because the filter stops it from getting in the rig and into your veins.

EDIT - I misread your post. You were saying the magnesium is one of the more negative components of Suboxone but it's insoluble, so not to worry so much about it, correct? If so, then we're saying the same thing.

I'll keep the original post as is though because it's important to know the reason behind filtering, for those who aren't filtering properly.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Magnesium stearate can be easily filtered out IME, I believe at least. Whatever %age that is water soluble is most likely negligible. We are saying the same thing.

I am not "100% sure" about the inactives in Suboxone, but I think povidone K30 can be attributed for some side effects, and I don't think it gets filtered out (but am not 100% sure).

I don't think the coloring/flavoring is harmful but that's me making an assumption, I can't guarantee anything.

As for the other inactives I really have no idea.

I can still run well and I didn't filter Suboxone for a while. However I also used relatively low doses of it.

I think if you're not filtering, and using large amounts of Suboxone, this obviously has the possibility of becoming problematic. I can't even verify if what I did was problematic or not, as I haven't lived out my whole life, etc.

I strongly urge anyone IVing anything that isn't pure and sterile to get micron filters.

 

[LoveHateHumans]

hey guys,
i'm new to blue light but have registered to ask for some advice. i too was stupid enough to engage in suboxone IV w/o the necessary materials to make it safer (i.e. micron filters, etc.). i use both arms typically one to three shots per day (depending on how stressed/depressed i get). i was doing dope just about every day over the summer but moved out west to finish school. because i have no connects out here and really have no interest in getting into tar, i got on suboxone and have been IV'ing ever since. again, i really wasn't aware of how seriously stupid IVing any kind of pill really is, but now that i'm aware, i just wanted to ask what kind i've damage to myself i've really done and if i should get my body checked out. i notice that my left arm often falls asleep when im in bed in the middle of the night and this never really happened to me until i started IVing. i've also developed some abdominal pain/discomfort but don't know if this has anything to do with it as i have been a little sick over the last week.no real swelling or anything like that but i'm a little worried and stressed about this and was wondering if anyone could offer any advice/thoughts/etc. without passing too much judgement as i know what i did was stupid i was just ignorant of the consequences at the time. please help! thank you all.

 

[axe battler]

Eugh, wow, so is the liquid that comes through the micron filtered bupe still orange? I dont know how you shoot that shit every day Captain.Heroin! How old are you also, may I ask?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Unless you have an injection complication, I would just get micron filters.

If your arm falling asleep concerns you, I wouldn't let it. It happened all the time to me before I started IVing. If it's unavoidable, especially if you're not laying on it or whatever, I would go get medical attention or whatever but I imagine you're just laying on your arm.

Eugh, wow, so is the liquid that comes through the micron filtered bupe still orange? I dont know how you shoot that shit every day Captain.Heroin! How old are you also, may I ask?

Yes, it is still somewhat orange. It's less orange than not micron filtering though.

Subutex comes out 100% clear.

I'm not old, if that's what you're asking.

 

[LoveHateHumans]

i mean i know that parts of the body occasionally fall asleep though i was just wondering if it gets more frequent with more frqequent IV usage, is this a sign or symptom of complications? im guessing no based off of youre last post im just worried. is stomach discomfort or sharp abdominal pain a sign or symptom of anything? this shit stresses me out even more when i read about all these limbs and fingers falling off of people who IV subs because i'm a musician and if i lost a finger or arm (knock on wood) it would be utterly devastating. not that not being a musician doesnt make the loss of a limb devastating. fuck! you know what i mean! and i know the obvious answer is: if it makes you that worried, don't do it! but im an addict and dont have the control to stop or just take it orally the way im supposed to. what can i do?

 

[axe battler]

Unless you have an injection complication, I would just get micron filters.

If your arm falling asleep concerns you, I wouldn't let it. It happened all the time to me before I started IVing. If it's unavoidable, especially if you're not laying on it or whatever, I would go get medical attention or whatever but I imagine you're just laying on your arm.



Yes, it is still somewhat orange. It's less orange than not micron filtering though.

Subutex comes out 100% clear.

I'm not old, if that's what you're asking.

Haha; sorry mate! I didn't mean to be rude; you just seem very experienced and knowledgeable on the ol' drugs: no offence mate!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

i mean i know that parts of the body occasionally fall asleep though i was just wondering if it gets more frequent with more frqequent IV usage, is this a sign or symptom of complications? im guessing no based off of youre last post im just worried. is stomach discomfort or sharp abdominal pain a sign or symptom of anything? this shit stresses me out even more when i read about all these limbs and fingers falling off of people who IV subs because i'm a musician and if i lost a finger or arm (knock on wood) it would be utterly devastating. not that not being a musician doesnt make the loss of a limb devastating. fuck! you know what i mean! and i know the obvious answer is: if it makes you that worried, don't do it! but im an addict and dont have the control to stop or just take it orally the way im supposed to. what can i do?

If anything you hit a nerve, which happens with IV users. When it happens to me I generally don't get the symptoms you describe but I imagine that's what's causing it.

How to not lose a limb: visit the IV complications mega thread, and learn what to look for (#1: pain, #2: swelling/inflammation, #3: discoloration).

Also, learn the difference between artery blood and vein blood. DO NOT inject if you see artery blood, or if it registers without you pulling back. Keep yourself hydrated, so blood from your veins will appear dark red. Artery blood is lighter red, pinkish.

Haha; sorry mate! I didn't mean to be rude; you just seem very experienced and knowledgeable on the ol' drugs: no offence mate!

lol, no problem.

I just don't want to say exactly how old to preserve my identity and everything.

 

[Georgie25]

Well, just to chime in here, I IV my subs 4x a day usually (.5mg-1mg per shot) and filter through big balls of Q-tip cotton and havn't noticed any ill effects. I get the solution totally clear with a orange tint and make sure it's never cloudy or has any particles floating around. I hold the syringe and make the suction of the air stick to the cotton in the spoon and hold it there for 5-10 minutes while it slowly lets in liquid so it filters even better.

 

[PureLife]

DO NOT inject if you see artery blood, or if it registers without you pulling back

When I hit certain veins, blood will spurt into the barrel without me having to draw up at all. I think I just have good veins though?

 

[BaybeX]

^That is probably just from having a tiny amount of air in the syringe.. it acts as a vacuum, pulling your blood back into the syringe.
You would DEFINITELY know if you hit an artery by the pain alone.

 

[Jabberwocky]

some peoples veins (including mine at times) do actually seems to register without pulling back when there's no vacuum. i always squirt a few drops out initially to prevent this out of a silly OCD. it's not like it's going to hurt or do any damage if you're doing it the correct way by piercing the skin then slightly pulling back on the plunger and releasing when you're in the vein. it's not a splinter so don't go digging.

 

[Nexus Viper]

Er... why the hell are you IVing suboxone ? Are you aware of the fact that it contains naloxone ? This stuff is made especially for people not to inject it, as it reduces the opiate effects of buprenorphine. Besides, as you forsee it, it is very harmful to your veins as the other products can clog them up. Not speaking of the consequences if this (clog) happens in your brains or other part of your body you might find useful if you plan on living. So, yes, I advise you to use filters if you still really want to IV it, but keep in mind (and I'm basing myself on a scientific study found in a serious addictology-specialised paper) that the buprenorphine, when associated with naloxone, is supposed to be more effective (in terms of euphoric effects) when taken sublingually.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^err you should get informed and do some reading yourself. the combination with the nalaxone can be IV'd and it does have effects. myself and however many other bluelighters will back this up.

sure it's not a good idea to shoot pills but peope do it, so let's inform them how to do it the safest way they're able to achieve within their boundaries.

 

[Georgie25]

Er... why the hell are you IVing suboxone ? Are you aware of the fact that it contains naloxone ? This stuff is made especially for people not to inject it, as it reduces the opiate effects of buprenorphine. Besides, as you forsee it, it is very harmful to your veins as the other products can clog them up. Not speaking of the consequences if this (clog) happens in your brains or other part of your body you might find useful if you plan on living. So, yes, I advise you to use filters if you still really want to IV it, but keep in mind (and I'm basing myself on a scientific study found in a serious addictology-specialised paper) that the buprenorphine, when associated with naloxone, is supposed to be more effective (in terms of euphoric effects) when taken sublingually.

Your study is wrong then. The naloxone is basically inert in suboxone any way you take it, as the Bupe has a higher binding affinty to the brains receptors than naloxone; 4:1 to be exact. Also, IVing low doses (1mg or less) will not only give you 100% absorption rate compared to 30% sublingual , but it'll also allow the full agonist norbupe to fill more of the receptors and produce way more euphoria.

I suggest you read the suboxone mega threads before posting misinformation next time!