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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread

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But the qualitative nature of a plateau is completely undescribed by the word. The word hole has certain implications, such as being separated in some inescapable way from normal consciousness or even physical functioning. It hints at subjective experience.

I haven't experienced a k-hole, or k-plateau, or whatever you want to call it, I have limited Ketamine experience, but I do have some general ideas in my head about what it means based on what I've read. I completely understand that my idea might be some way off the actual experience. But for those who have obtained that experience I don't see a problem with them using a shorthand for it.

I take it BL is misbehaving for everyone just now...
 
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I think the word "plateau" is FAR more useful than "hole" because it imparts information that is independent of the subjective effects of a drug. The word plateau in and of itself indicates a (new) level. So much so that plateaux can be represented on a graph w.r.t. dose and time. I have no problem whatsoever with the use of this word for Ketamine or any other drug, because it imparts some understandable information regardless of the reader's background.

Whereas "hole," on the other hand, could mean just about anything to anyone and has nothing to do with gauging an experience. Its use is at best as meaningful as its omission; at worst can get people doing dangerous things in their futile attempt to reach that illusive "hole".
 
Hmm thats shit. How can they do it seeing as its legal? As in if they dont provide the goods they legally sold or sell a different product from which they advertised, surely thats illegal. So nobodys even allowed to pm each other decent sources for legal chemicals? Not doing much harm reduction for my wallet haha

EDIT: Not sure how i missed it before, but i just saw the vendors listed on the *snip*

I hope i get sent something at least, rather than teething powder. Probably not :(
 
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Wes_Mantooth said:
I hope i get sent something at least, rather than teething powder. Probably not :(
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Maybe you'll get sent some of this:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=533114

You could be up for 5 days, have liver failure, kidney damage, and panic attacks and maybe hyperanxiety for the rest of your life.

Like you said: better than nothing.

Seriously, bin whatever they send you, no matter how tough that feels. The UK market is so dangerous right now.
 
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Whereas "hole," on the other hand, could mean just about anything to anyone and has nothing to do with gauging an experience. Its use is at best as meaningful as its omission; at worst can get people doing dangerous things in their futile attempt to reach that illusive "hole".
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Someone's starting to sound hole-ier than thou ;)
 
I have to agree with Jamshyd that the term "plateau" is probably much more accurate than "hole," but it's not as if we've all agreed to sit down and write a permanent and comprehensive drug lexicon. Despite the fact that bluelighters are invariably the most intelligent and influential members of the international drug-using community, we are still a very tiny minority and hence we must take into account the way words are commonly used. If language were purely functional, we wouldn't have the rich wordplay that makes the English language so much fun.

Still, I'd be interested in fleshing out a theory of plateaus, both for particular drugs and for dissociatives in general. I have a feeling we could come up with a certain plateau or range of plateaus which most experienced users would agree could aptly (though informally) be called a k-hole (or m-hole or whatever).

I am very confident that groupings of different effects (individual to each person, but with enough commonalities to make classification useful) could be assigned to certain ranges of serum levels of ketamine (or other dissociatives, even though this discussion really belongs in the ketamine thread) much like the fairly well-accepted plateaus used to explain DXM doses. For example, I think we can all agree that at a high enough dose a user will begin to lose motor control, and at a higher dose will lose all ability to move and eventually receive external perceptions. While we might not all agree that this is a "k-hole" (I do) we can certainly agree that there are at the very least two broad plateaus or types of ketamine experiences.

Jamshyd, I think this is a fascinating discussion but maybe we should try to migrate it to the B&D Ketamine thread...Just a suggestion. There doesn't appear to be a whole ton of new methoxetamine info anyway.
 
Anyone done this while on SSRI (citalopram)? With DXM there wasn't any problems so wondering how it is with this.
 
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You sure are passionate about semantics. :D
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Jamshyd, I think this is a fascinating discussion but maybe we should try to migrate it to the B&D Ketamine thread...Just a suggestion. There doesn't appear to be a whole ton of new methoxetamine info anyway.
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Someone's starting to sound hole-ier than thou ;)
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I agree that this discussion ought to be relegated to a dissociatives forum. Alas, one cannot be found....

Is seeking clarity now denigrated as semantic egotism?

What if we want to distill information so that we can understand it?

And communicate?

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Hey guys
I tried several 20-30mg dosis and liked them but once went up in the 40-50 area, which was entirely different. I liked it as well, but somehow i felt quite a bit nausea. Anybidy ever experience that? It was not too bad but i think i kindnof contrentated on that/was scared because of it and the generall weirdness.
Anybody else notice that? I heard that also happens on keta sometimes? Is there anything i can do? Strangely i felt that benzos do help a bit (maybe with the psych effects) but not too much plus it takes away nice effects of mxe as well. What about mcp, could that help?
 
Jamshyd said:

Is seeking clarity now denigrated as semantic egotism?
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I'm willing to bet that more ketamine users understand "k-hole" than "denigrated as semantic egotism". Fancy Latin-root words don't automatically make things clearer. The more I read your sentence, the more opaque your communication seems.



What if we want to distill information so that we can understand it?

And communicate?
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Perhaps you're being ironic ;)

Maybe it's only you who experiences "Ketamine plateaux".
 
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you know, out of all the RC's i've been researching the past few weeks, this would be the only one i think i would seriously consider trying.

i just wonder about rc's and if they're going to end up causing a third arm to grow or something.

i mean, if it's too good to be true... get it before the 'man' does?
 
Personally i think this blows everything out of the water, and i mean Everything at the moment! Roll on November...........Just reading the last few pages it seems there are no trip reports and all this talk about K holes, m- holes, pateau`s seriously some of you need to get a grip.

Mods with respect clean this thread, damn it is a Mod. :)
 
when i took mxe second time at a dose of 50mg i had alcohol like symptoms( dont drink as i a tosser), ended up getting emotional ringing people (wife, mum,etc) for there reassurances , very sad i know..that is something i would do on alcohol, defo not my cup of tea and that is not down to substance but down to how it made me feel, only ever dissociative ive taken.


Banjo Fury said:
Personally i think this blows everything out of the water, and i mean Everything at the moment! Roll on November...........Just reading the last few pages it seems there are no trip reports and all this talk about K holes, m- holes, pateau`s seriously some of you need to get a grip.

Mods with respect clean this thread, damn it is a Mod. :)
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are you serious??...ive read your posts on the trainwreck that is herbal high you really need to be quiet mate...

ps ..wondered what brought you here?, anything to do with you upsetting everyone elsewhere??...of all the guys who left here after throwing there dummies out of there prams and found there niche at herbalhighs you was the one i hoped and prayed would never return!!

pps..did i mention before that i love your nick.....yeh i did hundreds of times very sarcastically..haha
 
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when i took mxe second time at a dose of 50mg i had alcohol like symptoms( dont drink as i a tosser), ended up getting emotional ringing people (wife, mum,etc) for there reassurances , very sad i know..that is something i would do on alcohol, defo not my cup of tea and that is not down to substance but down to how it made me feel, only ever dissociative ive taken.
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Hi hows it going,:)

I didn't like how it made me feel either, i had a stange emotional thing/feeling with it, yet i didnt find it itself a strong hit, i felt i needed a higher dose i took n50mg (snorted in one line)but am not going to try it again as there was just something about it,
Ket is so much better,
 
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