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Trazodone

why do threads have to de-evolve into posts like "I could take either of you on in the street"

It metabolizes primarily into meta-Chlorophenylpiperazine (mCPP) which is a stimulant [read bad.]
As your Trazadone dose gets higher, the side effects from the mCPP start to outweigh its potential as a sleep aid. There have been a few articles published stating this.


boom.
done.

LOL wow I love seeing people like you overstate the hell out of things.

Ive taken 200mg of trazodone, and at no point, whatsoever did I feel it turned into mcpp

If it does, then the amount is so small that unless your a giant pussy, you shouldnt have any problems.

Hey btw you should try some blue transformers, or some of the other bunk E mcpp pills.

So to everyone: please be very scared because trazodone is just like taking those pills.

Ull be up all night, with a total migraine, and hate the rest of the day.

Or at least thats what this smart fello is saying.

BEWARE....THE TRAZODONE MCPP WILL CONSUME YOU AND WILL BE HELL...GOD HELP US PLEASE???
 
LOL wow I love seeing people like you overstate the hell out of things.

Ive taken 200mg of trazodone, and at no point, whatsoever did I feel it turned into mcpp

If it does, then the amount is so small that unless your a giant pussy, you shouldnt have any problems.

Hey btw you should try some blue transformers, or some of the other bunk E mcpp pills.

So to everyone: please be very scared because trazodone is just like taking those pills.

Ull be up all night, with a total migraine, and hate the rest of the day.

Or at least thats what this smart fello is saying.

BEWARE....THE TRAZODONE MCPP WILL CONSUME YOU AND WILL BE HELL...GOD HELP US PLEASE???

lol! thanks for that post, i was about to post something similar.

I only saw the second page, and was wondering why nobody answered the question, and instead was arguing about marijuana's addictive qualities, which i will address first before answering the OP's question: to put it simply... addiction is a compulsive habit that presents withdrawal symptoms when the habit abruptly stops... so, yes, marijuana is addictive, in the sense that biting my nails is addictive, or watching baseball is addictive. when the yankees were knocked out of the playoffs, i immediately got stressed, and the thought of having to go almost half a year without baseball made me anxious. I also remember putting bandaids on all my fingers for a week so i couldnt bite my nails... a habit i don't enjoy but can't control. it drove me nuts!!! these are all mental symptoms, as are withdrawal symptoms from stopping marijuana. when i stop, i think about it more, and how i want it, and how bored i am without it, etc etc. Coffee, however... take away my coffee for a week and i'm done! migraines every day, stomach aches... literally an non functioning human being.

and to the person who said marijuana is more addictive than alcohol/B] ... are you fucking kidding me???!!! when you have a seizure from stopping your marijuana use, then get back to me.

to me, there are two types of addictions:
addictions that cause MENTAL withdrawal
and
addictions that cause PHYSICAL withdrawal

the difference is one can be controlled unless you have a weak mind, and the other, the person has no control over. thats why rehab for opiates (or other ADDICTIVE drugs) have 2 major parts to recovery - detox, and then actual rehabilitation. detox gets the drug out and the body back on track where it no longer needs the drug to feel normal. the rest of rehabilitation is focused on the mental aspect to make sure they don't fall back into the addiction, because once you fall back in, you will do anything to obtain the drug just so you don't feel sick... again, physical withdrawals! when somebody REALLYYYYYYY wants a bag of weed when they're out, its because exactly that.... they really want it. when i realllllllly need a bag of heroin, i might not even want it, i just need it, because i can't function and i'm sick n hurt up. in my head, i might want to stop, or not spend my last 20 bucks, etc etc, but my mind is telling me i need it to be normal. your mind will never do that with weed, because you don't become physically dependent on it. sorry for ranting, i just get pissed when people go on about marijuana being addictive... sure, it is, mentally... just like anything, literally anything, can be. i don't want to hear anyone bitch about an addiction, though, unless they literally are sick without it and will knowingly make irrational decisions to obtain the drug to avoid the physical withdrawals. the only time you detox with marijuana is to pass a drugtest... ok, idk why i'm still going on about this lol. marijuana cannot form a real addiction. caffeine can. marijuana can't (mental, yes... real addiction needs to be mental and physical, otherwise everything in the whole world could be an addiction).

now, back on topic (sorry OP for being another asshole contributing to the argument completely unrelated to your thread)

trazadone, simply, is one of the oldest prescription anti-depressent that is ineffective until taken at doses so high that the user simply falls asleep. for this reason, it is hardly prescribed for depression anymore, though often prescribed for sleeping disorders, as it is relatively harmless, as proven after about 50 years on the market. in the 60s it wouldnt be uncommon to see zombies in the mental ward, looked at as being even more crazy, because they were knocked out on trazadone. i was (still am, but never got a refill since getting it almost 2 years ago) prescribed it for sleeping, but only take it in extreme conditions, because even the next day, i feel groggy and tired from taking 50-100 (sometimes 150) milligrams. the typical dose, if i remember correctly (for treatment of depression) is ~300-400mgs. hell, 50-100 knocks me out cold, and i'm a straight insomniac (ambien doesn't make me sleep, or oc, heroin... nothing really). if i didn't feel like shit the next day, id take it.
 
LOL wow I love seeing people like you overstate the hell out of things.

Ive taken 200mg of trazodone, and at no point, whatsoever did I feel it turned into mcpp

If it does, then the amount is so small that unless your a giant pussy, you shouldnt have any problems.

Hey btw you should try some blue transformers, or some of the other bunk E mcpp pills.

So to everyone: please be very scared because trazodone is just like taking those pills.

Ull be up all night, with a total migraine, and hate the rest of the day.

Or at least thats what this smart fello is saying.

BEWARE....THE TRAZODONE MCPP WILL CONSUME YOU AND WILL BE HELL...GOD HELP US PLEASE???

Nowhere did I relate Trazadone to bunk e-pills filled with mcpp,
nowhere did I say Trazadone will keep you up all night with a migraine
all I mentioned is that you feel bad in the morning from it.

What I meant, from experience, is that as your trazadone dose gets higher, the effects get worse.
You could take 200mg once, and not feel bad. But I am speaking from experience of having taken Trazadone daily for sleep issues for over two weeks on two different occasions.

it did help me initially but I stopped taking it both times it was prescribed to me because it stopped working as a sleep aid in the sense that the morning effects out weighed getting to sleep.
My results were that at the end of the two weeks, the trazadone wasn't helping any more, I was needing to take higher doses and feeling like crap in the mornings.

For someone who wants to read an actual article on the topic:
http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/content/26/6/572.full
specifically look at Figure 2, which compares trazadone dosage to mcpp levels

http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/0006-3223(91)91290-8/abstract
this one is an article about how mcpp effects your sleep
 
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lol! thanks for that post, i was about to post something similar.

I only saw the second page, and was wondering why nobody answered the question, and instead was arguing about marijuana's addictive qualities, which i will address first before answering the OP's question: to put it simply... addiction is a compulsive habit that presents withdrawal symptoms when the habit abruptly stops... so, yes, marijuana is addictive, in the sense that biting my nails is addictive, or watching baseball is addictive. when the yankees were knocked out of the playoffs, i immediately got stressed, and the thought of having to go almost half a year without baseball made me anxious. I also remember putting bandaids on all my fingers for a week so i couldnt bite my nails... a habit i don't enjoy but can't control. it drove me nuts!!! these are all mental symptoms, as are withdrawal symptoms from stopping marijuana. when i stop, i think about it more, and how i want it, and how bored i am without it, etc etc. Coffee, however... take away my coffee for a week and i'm done! migraines every day, stomach aches... literally an non functioning human being.

and to the person who said marijuana is more addictive than alcohol/B] ... are you fucking kidding me???!!! when you have a seizure from stopping your marijuana use, then get back to me.

to me, there are two types of addictions:
addictions that cause MENTAL withdrawal
and
addictions that cause PHYSICAL withdrawal

the difference is one can be controlled unless you have a weak mind, and the other, the person has no control over. thats why rehab for opiates (or other ADDICTIVE drugs) have 2 major parts to recovery - detox, and then actual rehabilitation. detox gets the drug out and the body back on track where it no longer needs the drug to feel normal. the rest of rehabilitation is focused on the mental aspect to make sure they don't fall back into the addiction, because once you fall back in, you will do anything to obtain the drug just so you don't feel sick... again, physical withdrawals! when somebody REALLYYYYYYY wants a bag of weed when they're out, its because exactly that.... they really want it. when i realllllllly need a bag of heroin, i might not even want it, i just need it, because i can't function and i'm sick n hurt up. in my head, i might want to stop, or not spend my last 20 bucks, etc etc, but my mind is telling me i need it to be normal. your mind will never do that with weed, because you don't become physically dependent on it. sorry for ranting, i just get pissed when people go on about marijuana being addictive... sure, it is, mentally... just like anything, literally anything, can be. i don't want to hear anyone bitch about an addiction, though, unless they literally are sick without it and will knowingly make irrational decisions to obtain the drug to avoid the physical withdrawals. the only time you detox with marijuana is to pass a drugtest... ok, idk why i'm still going on about this lol. marijuana cannot form a real addiction. caffeine can. marijuana can't (mental, yes... real addiction needs to be mental and physical, otherwise everything in the whole world could be an addiction).

now, back on topic (sorry OP for being another asshole contributing to the argument completely unrelated to your thread)

trazadone, simply, is one of the oldest prescription anti-depressent that is ineffective until taken at doses so high that the user simply falls asleep. for this reason, it is hardly prescribed for depression anymore, though often prescribed for sleeping disorders, as it is relatively harmless, as proven after about 50 years on the market. in the 60s it wouldnt be uncommon to see zombies in the mental ward, looked at as being even more crazy, because they were knocked out on trazadone. i was (still am, but never got a refill since getting it almost 2 years ago) prescribed it for sleeping, but only take it in extreme conditions, because even the next day, i feel groggy and tired from taking 50-100 (sometimes 150) milligrams. the typical dose, if i remember correctly (for treatment of depression) is ~300-400mgs. hell, 50-100 knocks me out cold, and i'm a straight insomniac (ambien doesn't make me sleep, or oc, heroin... nothing really). if i didn't feel like shit the next day, id take it.


haha... if only you could go through real withdrawal. Wow a seizure... how serious.
I have had my fair share of alcohol as well, prolly more than you have in 10 years.
 
Alrite first off, you guys need to calm down in your little bitch fit about weed being addictive.

ANYTHING can be addicting, whether it be sex, overeating, ect.

Your saying pot isnt?? Jay you really must not be a pot head because if you were, you would know much it sucks when you run out of bud in a situation where you could use some.

Whats the first idea that pops in your head?? "Wow I really wish I had bud, maybe ill just get a 20 sack"

That, my friend, (I know this may be just a bit too complex for you im making it simple as possible) is an addiction.

I am WAY more addicted to weed, as I am a fucking daily smoker. I love smoking when I dont have shit to do, when Im out with friends, hitting on women, harrassing old people, ect

So dont just say its not an addiction if you mentally think that nothing would be better than a few bowls.

Ohh and ps you guys need to calm down about trazodone "metabolizing into mcpp"

Ive taken 200 mg before, and if this were mcpp, like the bunk E pills ive gotten, there is no fucking way in hell I would be asleep.

You guys act like they are gunna be piped out after trazodone.....you guys obviously have never been piped because I feel retarded even having to explain how different the effects are from trazodone and mcpp E pills.

You guys should try some blue transformer mcpp pills. Im sure they would knock you out just as quick as trazodone because its mcpp right??

Yeah totally bro.

When you cringe from not having a drink, marijuana is smooth as baby shit in comparison bro....
 
The definition of what is addictive is vague and pointless to argue about. Physically (which is the type of addiction most of you are talking about), I don't think meth would even be considered addictive (maybe slightly?), but would you call it addictive still? Habits and addictions are like almost the same thing, or could be the same thing depending on the persons definitions, but generally an addiction is a habit that has continued for a long time and is hard to break. How hard a habit is to break depends on the person and that's just another reason it's pointless to argue about...
 
Maybe it has no recreational value, but it has some value in effects. (recreational is subjective). In low doses it can help put you to sleep, in larger doses it's used for an anti-depressant.

I used to take it, there's a window of both dose and time of falling asleep, but taking one + smoking some good weed can lead to a nice night sleep.

Overall I would stay away from high doses, using for long periods of time without breaks, and it's not a party drug by any means.
 
Well normally I'd say I was much smarter than all of you cause you guys are druggies. But now I'm like hmmm, you cant be that smart when ur drugging yourself like this... long thought short, I am exactly as my profile states. Thus, yeah I'm an idiot.

yes, you are an idiot.

also, don't go saying that you're SO smart and drugs messed you up and if they didn't you'd be using all of your "knowledge" and everybody would bow down to your intellect.

please, spare me the "i'm smart but troubled" story we've all heard.

i, on the other hand, am a successful muscian who uses drugs and i have more money than god, and was labeled a "musical genius" by my piano, saxophone, and guitar teachers. don't call other people stupid druggies and claim to be smart as music teachers and musicians have told me that they "wish they could see music in their head and reproduce it like me", and i try to be humble and friendly on this forum and to my friends and girlfriend.
 
yes, you are an idiot.

also, don't go saying that you're SO smart and drugs messed you up and if they didn't you'd be using all of your "knowledge" and everybody would bow down to your intellect.

please, spare me the "i'm smart but troubled" story we've all heard.

i, on the other hand, am a successful muscian who uses drugs and i have more money than god, and was labeled a "musical genius" by my piano, saxophone, and guitar teachers. don't call other people stupid druggies and claim to be smart as music teachers and musicians have told me that they "wish they could see music in their head and reproduce it like me", and i try to be humble and friendly on this forum and to my friends and girlfriend.

Boy, if only you knew...
 
Boy, if only you knew...

yeah i do know. the problems you have now, i had in high school. you must not be so smart as i went on with what i knew(music) and i'm very sucessful, and i was heavily using drugs all the way.

if you're as smart as you say you are, you could handle the drugs and do whatever the hell you want.
 
This dude must be trolling, there is no way that he can really think the "weed withdrawals" are worse than alcohol withdrawals......I also love his post that says "Wow a seizure......how serious", as if he does not believe that seizures are dangerous.......I guess he considers being bored and nothing seeming as fun anymore serious withdrawals, how horrible.
 
Okay after further reading, the person talking about "weed withdrawls"

Wow

LOL anyone who has had REAL W/Ds is going to laugh, and think your stupid. Im sorry, but thats just the way it is, because weed having a W/D is just laughable.

I know when I stoped smoking for about a year, sure, I had many wantings to smoke weed, but until your puking your brains out, wishing you were dead, wondering why your even living on this earth, then its just laughable.

And please dont call people "druggies"

The fact that your complaining about a W/D from weed makes you about 3000x dumber than any "druggy" on this site.
 
Rememeber that scene in half baked where the dave is at rehab for marijuana and everyone boo's him?

Same logic pretty much

"I had to suck dick for coke!"- Bob Saget
 
lol! thanks for that post, i was about to post something similar.

I only saw the second page, and was wondering why nobody answered the question, and instead was arguing about marijuana's addictive qualities, which i will address first before answering the OP's question: to put it simply... addiction is a compulsive habit that presents withdrawal symptoms when the habit abruptly stops... so, yes, marijuana is addictive, in the sense that biting my nails is addictive, or watching baseball is addictive. when the yankees were knocked out of the playoffs, i immediately got stressed, and the thought of having to go almost half a year without baseball made me anxious. I also remember putting bandaids on all my fingers for a week so i couldnt bite my nails... a habit i don't enjoy but can't control. it drove me nuts!!! these are all mental symptoms, as are withdrawal symptoms from stopping marijuana. when i stop, i think about it more, and how i want it, and how bored i am without it, etc etc. Coffee, however... take away my coffee for a week and i'm done! migraines every day, stomach aches... literally an non functioning human being.

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Best post of this thread since it kind of turned into an arguement about marijuana's addictions and "Lord"'s retardedness %)
 
I think he does know...

...how much of an asshole you are, trying to rub your minuscule ass success in someones face.

my... success? I haven't been successful in any way since I was 15, started using. But at 14.5 I was in the top percentile so I am way smarter than all three of you, its just hidden beneath the haze.
 
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