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GBL Megathread 4: End of an Era?

How empty does your stomach need to be to feel the full effect of guice? I used to take 2-2.5ml when I drank guice regularly, but that was 11 months ago and tonight, the first night since then, I drank 1.5ml thinking I'd have to start off small again. My mood became elevated and what not, but no euphoria as such or nods, nor that dreamy, light-headed "my head are in the clouds" feeling. I then had ~0.35ml twice afterward at 30-40 minute intervals, to no real effect. My stomach was empty - it had been just over 4 hours since I'd eaten - but not really empty like I used to wait til.

I've read that after a while without guice your body needs to be stimulated into producing the certain enzymes needed to metabolise the guice, again. Could this be what I'm experiencing? Maybe I'll get more out of it the next time or so?
 
If I really have lost the magic after an 11 month break, that must mean my brain has been seriously, if not permanently altered. Great.
 
Treacle said:
Sadie: My advice of using 3-4mls a day was to avoid addiction completely, not for people who are driven to use 24/7. It is FACT that 3-4mls a day will not result in any withdrawal for MOST people.

Also, using baclofen alongside G is going to hammer the GABA-b receptors, and ultimately cause a horrific withdrawal, over time.
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amen oh lordy amen on the baclofen....to use it at night to avoid dosing GBL at night is the exact same, if not worse, as dosing GBL around the clock. You REALLY start pummeling the GABA-B receptors when you start throwing baclofen or phenibut in as something other than a straight detox. Fuck me, it can get BAD. Use baclofen to STOP, not just to stop nightly:D Its a godsend for that. <3
 
Treacle said:
Why am I dafty, you twat? I know what I said was obvious, but some people don't even know THAT much about G. Why don't you tell us something insightful? :p
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Sorry mate but you were starting to verge into Spadey territory.

Rubbishing peoples experiences and ideas. You needed to be reigned in a bit cowboy.

My further posts were both insightfull and helpfull to the new user of G.

I have been using G for nearly 2 years (consistently) and have been reasonably responsible with my usage.

I have been through WD's 3 times so far so have a fair idea of what it entails.

My first withdrawal was pretty bad but I got through it with no help from booze or any other type of drug. My next 2 forays into WD's were extrmely managable as I caught it very early and tapered suceesfully with no ill effects.

I am sorry that you experience bad withdrawals but this is down to your own lack of drug discipline and not down to the drug being the devil. The majority of people will be able to manage their G use responsilbly and not feel the effects of addiction.

As I posted before you have to work reasonably hard to get addicted as(in my experience) only 24/7 use seems to lead to problems.

Your advice may be usefull to some people but seemed to be a bit extreme for my liking.

I hope I have explained myself fully.

You were being a 'dafty'.

And yes I am a 'twat'
 
Sorry if my posts seemed a bit harsh. I wasn't in a very good mood. I don't think the drug is the devil, I just think once it turns on you, it can be very nasty, and much, much harder to withdraw from with little pain. As you said, it is my experience, and I shouldn't be so quick to rubbish other people's ideas.

You twat. :)
 
Treacle said:
Sorry if my posts seemed a bit harsh. I wasn't in a very good mood. I don't think the drug is the devil, I just think once it turns on you, it can be very nasty, and much, much harder to withdraw from with little pain. As you said, it is my experience, and I shouldn't be so quick to rubbish other people's ideas.

You twat. :)
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With regards to my zolpidem suggestion, perhaps you tought i ment switching to another sleep aid while IN a full blown G addiction, i was merely saying to never take G for sleep BEFORE you get addicted and then avoid physical addiction that way, if i understand it correctly the big problem many users have is a rebound wich makes it hard to sleep, is it completely impossible to take care of that rebound with another non cross dependent sleep aid?
 
MeDieViL said:
With regards to my zolpidem suggestion, perhaps you tought i ment switching to another sleep aid while IN a full blown G addiction, i was merely saying to never take G for sleep BEFORE you get addicted and then avoid physical addiction that way, if i understand it correctly the big problem many users have is a rebound wich makes it hard to sleep, is it completely impossible to take care of that rebound with another non cross dependent sleep aid?
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I was getting confused between addicted users and not. Other sleep aids would normally take care of a regular rebound in a non-addicted user, yes. Sorry for the confusion. However, if this was a daily thing, then such a person could develop a dependence on the sleep aid, which is, of course, not a good thing. As me and another poster said, the use of baclofen to sleep is a very bad idea. It is the same as 24/7 GBL use. Sorry for being snappy and getting mixed up. :)
 
Treacle said:
I was getting confused between addicted users and not. Other sleep aids would normally take care of a regular rebound in a non-addicted user, yes. Sorry for the confusion. However, if this was a daily thing, then such a person could develop a dependence on the sleep aid, which is, of course, not a good thing. As me and another poster said, the use of baclofen to sleep is a very bad idea. It is the same as 24/7 GBL use. Sorry for being snappy and getting mixed up. :)
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But then what i'm trying to say was, that those non addicted users should never stop overstep the mark and use GBL for sleep and only use the other sleep aids, this way they can imo perfectly avoid pshyical GHB addiction addiction. (with an extra effor of not dosing from early morning)

However, if this was a daily thing, then such a person could develop a dependence on the sleep aid, which is, of course, not a good thing.
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But being dependent on a daily evening sleep aid is FAR better then a full blown GBL addiction, many ppl like my mum are dependent on benzo's for sleep and they dont suffer the negatives of a "real" drug addiction.

Yeah i was thinking that too about baclofen, just posted the experience of a mate.
 
I would call benzo addiction a very 'real' drug addiction, even if it's only used for sleep.
 
Treacle said:
I would call benzo addiction a very 'real' drug addiction, even if it's only used for sleep.
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But a benzo addiction just for sleep is no way comparable to a GBL addiction imo, atleast thats the impression i'm getting from reading some story's here.
 
MeDieViL said:
But a benzo addiction just for sleep is no way comparable to a GBL addiction imo, atleast thats the impression i'm getting from reading some story's here.
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Benzo withdrawl will make withdrawl from GBL seem like nothing I'm afraid to say. People die from withdrawing on benzos, and it can take years to fully get over. It's something that you NEVER want to experience, even with a taper it's absolute hell.
 
WarmRushes said:
Benzo withdrawl will make withdrawl from GBL seem like nothing I'm afraid to say. People die from withdrawing on benzos, and it can take years to fully get over. It's something that you NEVER want to experience, even with a taper it's absolute hell.
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But still, if staying on a benzo allows me to use GBL like i'm doing now i would do it, since you dont notice anything of benzo withdrawal unless you want to get off (and looking to stay on GBL for a long time anyway, but thats my addictive personality i gues!=D)
 
Sadie said:
Ha ha, In theory, you're right. You'll never have W/D's if you never stop. ;)
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I really dont have experience with benzo addiction or G addiction, so just theorizing here, but taking a benzo everynight while being addicted to it, sounds more pleasant then being addicted to G (when you dismiss the withdrawals themselves).
 
Benzo's sound far worse to me. G withdrawal isn't pleasant but Benzo withdrawal sounds horrendous. I had a minor benzo windrawal last 2 weeks - I was constantly pissy and paraonoid and that was a minor withdrawal. I didn't even realise I was addicted until I ran out. I don't think your plan is great.
 
Its not my own plan, as i can take GBL daily without sleep problems, so i dont need a benzo, just talking about the possible options.

Yeah benzo withdrawal can be worse, but GBL addiction it self is far worse isnt it? Like you can stay on benzo's without noticing any bad side effects, while a GBL addiction is pure horror (excluding the withdrawal, and correct me when wrong as i really dont have any experience on this).
 
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