Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[SkagKush]

i do

less withdrawal and less PAWS

 

[shanefrommaine]

i do

less withdrawal and less PAWS

Just make the jump (if you can call it a jump) from dust particles to nothing.
Or just wack up some fucking water if you love using your needle 6 times a day

 

[Myxomatosis]

Well it's an injectable solution to begin with (Buprenex), so no dust. I think it would be near impossible to measure out those kinds of doses with mathematically dividing up a pill. But anyway, he's doing what's working for him and that's all that matters, I really don't see there being anything to disagree with.

 

[SkagKush]

exactly

hey capt' ... did u get the buprenex from a doc? id be surprised if they gave you something to inject???

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I don't actually use Buprenex, you can see what I do here. The solution I have now is slightly less potent than Buprenex is, but is close.

It's incredibly easy to measure out 26 mcg at a time when you are dealing with liquid measuring.

 

[SkagKush]

ooo ok, i have actually read that, i thought that was a new occurrence maybe.

 

[adubwakka]

It appears to be that way, yes.

At the moment, I probably go through 156 to 208 micrograms per day, divided over 6 to 8 injections of roughly 26mcg each.

It appears most other people that I have met are using around what I go through in a day per shot, which I think is normal. If you look at dosing guidelines for Buprenex, an adult can IM or IV up to 300mcg per shot (for pain) and repeat this if necessary (if both shots are IM - according to these guidelines).

Going into this I was well aware that I am hypersensitive to most drugs. What's surprising to me is that I theorized (a while ago) how low can you go really while still getting good effects? So I kept reducing my dose gradually. At first I was just splitting my dose in half every now and then and it worked really well, and as you keep getting lower and lower the overall amount you're lowering it becomes less and less so it is still a pretty gradual taper.

I'm undecided whether or not I'm going to reduce my dose. I still have over half of my vial left of this solution (0.266.... mg/mL). I'm probably going to stick to this 26mcg per shot for now, since I am already only using 10 units per shot, which still isn't much even with the 3/10 CC syringes I use.

So out of curiousity Capt. H, have you tried quitting subs and if so did you experience any kind of withdrawals? Im curious as to how the body reacts when you quit on that low of a dose.

 

[SkagKush]

i also wonder

 

[DkBlaze1]

give me a break. I'm forty years old. I matured a long time ago. Then I fell into a shitty depression with chronic pain. I don't do drugs to see pretty colors and hang out with friends listening to music. I have a family to take care of, a house to manage, friends who are "normal" whatever the fuck that means, and I feel like myself. I don't feel fantastic, or "confy" or pain free all the time. I'm not living in a dream world. I'm still depressed, still in therapy and still trying to figure out what I'm supposed to be doing with my life.

Go peddle your half baked big pharma conspiracy theories elsewhere. It's very telling that you get so angry when you see people feeling better.

Hey man sorry I came off the way I did, I wasnt trying to be a dick or rude. I am trying to talk about the fact that suboxone is an issue and isn't this wonder drug eveyone says it is.

talk to your theropist and ask him/her about the impact suboxone could be playing on your depresssion and lack of an idea of what to do with ur life. I know that for me suboxone plays a large part in this. and I was just trying to make the point that Suboxone causes people to b unable to mature at the rate that they would b if sober, suboxone limits people the ability to grow the way they should b. And I also think that It makes the experience of getitng sober easyer and harder in diffrent ways both of which i think are negitive and cause relapse and falling back to the suboxone game easyer after a relapse.

I wasnt trying to be a dick and or come off as a conspiracy theorie nut. the whole theorie I talked about the maker of suboxone isn't a conspiracy theorie it is a fact. and makes perfect sence, I wish you would go look at there yearly report for investers as i did and u will relize that a multi billion dollars a year company is about to loss 12% of all there money so this is why the Films are coming out now. the company as they loss there patent all of a sudden starts talking trash about the product that pretty much built there company up over the past ten years. this is very telling to me.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^you can't read a few dozen words someone writes and then be able to diagnose the cause of their depression... NO ONE can and its condescending to act like you know better about his life than he does.

Also, if you want to talk politics, economics and conspiracy theories there is the CE&P forum for that, OD isn't the place.

 

[DkBlaze1]

A lot of drugs can cause hepatitis. Unless you get jaundice I wouldn't worry.

I would like people to know that Drug induced HEP isn't like HEP-C or A or any of those. It is due to you over loading your body with toxins or drugs or alchol and your liver is inflamed, you have started to cause your liver to really have problems. Pretty much as long as you notice it right away and stop taking the drug that is causing it ,it will go away rather fast. So people don't think that Drug induced Hep is like the Viral forms of HEP.

The type of Hep you can give your self is pretty much just you killing your liver some how and if u get yellow eyes or dark urine or light stool. thats the very second when you stop that taking what ever med you think it could be and call you doctor and if no doctor ER time. tylonol overdose can do this as well..

Heres a good page with all the info if you dont trust me..

NO WORRYS BE HAPPY ..

http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/39/main.html

 

[Jabberwocky]

Im pretty sure Not 100% tho so play it safe, But i dont think that this HEP can be given to someone else through even sharing needle.. Sharing needles tho is Foolish as hell Either way my only point is I dont think this is able to b given to anyone else. It sounds to me like it is just Called Hepatitis because in medicin medicine, the liver funiction is called hepatic funtion.. pretty much I think the words are interchangeable...

oh shit yes hepatitis can be passed on throuhgh sharing needles. where did you get the idea that it wouldn't be possible?

 

[rolls_]

I do agree that buprenorphine has different "effects" at certain dosages. It gets more sedating at a higher dose and tends to be more stimulating at a lower one in my experience.

I actually found the complete opposite, when I was on 8mg a day it would make me all zippy and my mind race, now the 0.4mg doses just make me feel a bit buzzed and sleepy.

I'm undecided whether or not I'm going to reduce my dose. I still have over half of my vial left of this solution (0.266.... mg/mL). I'm probably going to stick to this 26mcg per shot for now, since I am already only using 10 units per shot, which still isn't much even with the 3/10 CC syringes I use.

You shoot 8 times a day!! jesus, have you considered just doing it all in one big shot and calling it a day? Surely shooting that little that often is no different to just orally dosing it, as you are basically maintaining a fairly flat plasma concentration throughout the day which the slow release of taking it orally will do.

Maybe if you actually enjoy using yourself as a pin cushion though lol.

 

[DkBlaze1]

oh shit yes hepatitis can be passed on throuhgh sharing needles. where did you get the idea that it wouldn't be possible?

No man Thats not wat I said I know that Viral Hep is able to be past through needles. And blood but Im saying that the type cap heroin said you can get from drugs like suboxone and others he lists, is most likly not able to be past through blood. seeing as it is Drud or Alchol induced and not VIRAL. they simply call it hepititis because

Hepatitis comes from ancient Greek hepar (ηπαρ) or hepato- (ηπατο-) meaning 'liver' and suffix -itis denoting 'inflammation' (c.1727).1

SO pretty much this sorta Drug induced Hepatitis is not the type everyone would be scared to get Like viral hep.. I think ill remove that part of the post anyway tho because that could cause someone to think the wrong thing if you thought that then others might and believe that and that would b horrible..

I was just saying i doubt drug induced hep is able to b given to someone else and im pretty sure im right.. but anyone with drug induced HEP play it safe and Ask a doctor.
I do though know for sure that this form of non viral hep will go away but you may b left with scar tissue. but if cought in time and your liver isnt past the point of no return you will live, most of the time with this form of hep you either have somthing wrong with the liver to begin with or you are really doing something soo bad to your liver that you should b dead from it, unless pre existiing condition is there or allergy mabye.

EIther way sharign needles even if you know you and that person are 100% clean is a damn silly idea and you should always assume that everyone you would think to share with has AIDS. so you willnot take the chace seein as After contracting AIDs it can normally take at 4 weeks or months more with older tests. . it can lay dorment for years in some people to suddenly be activeated and multiply.. and even during this period were it does not show up on AIDS tests it still is very possible to transmit it to others. (this is how people to this day Can get blood from hospitals thats ment to keep them alive during surgery, that is contaminated with the AIDS virus.. Very rare tho

 

[Captain.Heroin]

So out of curiousity Capt. H, have you tried quitting subs and if so did you experience any kind of withdrawals? Im curious as to how the body reacts when you quit on that low of a dose.

I haven't "tried" quitting Suboxone yet.

I have gone 24 hours without dosing, easily. I used to feel bad if I went that long without it, but now that I have tapered down to where I am now, I feel fine when I wake up in the morning. No WD symptoms.

The only thing that happens to me when I'm coming down is that I get the sedating opiate afterglow tiredness, to the point where I might swerve if trying to drive on the highway. I typically don't feel bad but still good at this point, so re-dosing doesn't instantly come to mind.

I actually found the complete opposite, when I was on 8mg a day it would make me all zippy and my mind race, now the 0.4mg doses just make me feel a bit buzzed and sleepy.

Interesting! It goes to show how one drug effects many people differently/uniquely.

You shoot 8 times a day!! jesus, have you considered just doing it all in one big shot and calling it a day? Surely shooting that little that often is no different to just orally dosing it, as you are basically maintaining a fairly flat plasma concentration throughout the day which the slow release of taking it orally will do.

Maybe if you actually enjoy using yourself as a pin cushion though lol.

No, of course not. The duration of IV buprenorphine is not that long. If I did 200 mcg in one shot, it would be a waste IMO, compread to doing 26 mcg roughly 6 to 8 times throughout the day. 8 times would cover a full 24 hours though and most days I typically am not awake for all 24 hours (so 6 shots per day is probably a more accurate number, I do it roughly every 3-4 hours of being awake)

I actually have stellar veins and I only use 31G needles to inject with so it is no problem. IV buprenorphine has vastly different effects from IN or sublingual routes. Taking a sublingual dose would be a lot different from what I do now. While I am maintaining a plasma level, yes, I am also doing so in spikes which taper off shortly after the first 2-3 hours. The sublingual ROA doesn't have these "spikes" (which you could compare to how cigarettes produce a spike of nicotine, whereas nicotine patches only provide a small, steady level with no "spikes" which may not fully satisfy the user).

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I mean redoseing must come to mind if your doseing 5-8 times a day or how ever many times you actully dose. It isn;t even a little bit of an urge to redose. im not trying to argue Im just asking because if it reaally is totally the way u said in this post ^^ then I just need to taper stupid low and I will b fine..

And how many of ur doses are in 1 mg. im unsure if you mean microgram or somthing smaller then that.

There's really no urge. Sometimes I will (for varying reasons) sleep in for 14 to 18 or more hours in a row, and will not use the whole time. When I get up, I feel about the same as when I was going to sleep.

I do use it because it is nice in combination with weed, and I do get positive effects from it, like stimulation, etc. I think though at this point I might as well be someone without any opiate tolerance who is using buprenorphine.

What I will point out is that I have been on Suboxone for over 2 years now, and when I first got on it, I was only using it sublingually, and I kept relapsing on heroin. 3-4 months later I stopped using heroin (I mostly snorted heroin, I preferred snorting heroin to IVing it) and switched over to IV buprenorphine.

For the last 2 years I have tapered down very carefully, and I am pretty sure that the first 9-12 months I still didn't feel anywhere close to being better/recovered due to PAWS form heroin (I suspect this now as I feel a lot better than I did for the first year of recovery).

26 mcg = 0.026 mg. How many doses are in 1mg? 38.46
How many doses in one 8mg pill? A little over 307 doses.

 

[DkBlaze1]

^^ hey so If you shoot up 6-8 times a day dont you have tracks like madd. I know that Im starting to get a tiny amount of scarign seeing as I shoot up like 2-3 times a day maxxx.

Would you say that u get the same "euphoria and what every u wanta call the effects:""" from all the shoots throughout the day or do u only get it during the 1st of the day and the last or something..

And i notice that same thing you were talking about with driving.. I straight up was nodding out yesterday in a really not euphoric way like intencly strong noddding but that was it. its very odd its pretty clear that the receptors are only being turned slightly on . it feels like a somthing is missing, all around pretty unconfy experince but seeing as I am not super stuck and addicted with shooting the subutex. so I need to tapper this way and I feel that It will b easyer to tapper IV, this is most likly my addiction and what not talking. But I want to get down to the doses u talk about before I jump off. I got until march to b on suboxone so I want to b ready to jump off then..

Do you know of store I can buy that water you talk about.. to make the soluton with..

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^^ hey so If you shoot up 6-8 times a day dont you have tracks like madd. I know that Im starting to get a tiny amount of scarign seeing as I shoot up like 2-3 times a day maxxx.

Not at all. Using a new 31G needle every time, and using triple antibiotic ointment, is a great help. I find that the larger the gauge, the bigger the track marks.

Only my very small veins leave a light bruise occasionally, all of the decent sized veins I have never bruise.

Would you say that u get the same "euphoria and what every u wanta call the effects:""" from all the shoots throughout the day or do u only get it during the 1st of the day and the last or something..

I actually get the ideal effects from at least 95% of the injections I do. If I go a long time without it, one shot typically isn't going to be the same as having done it a few times previously in the day before doing it once more.

Do you know of store I can buy that water you talk about.. to make the soluton with.. [/B]

I have a link to the site I use in the Micron Filtering Mega Thread.

Here's the website I buy them from: http://www.mountainside-medical.com/products/Sterile-Water-For-Injection-Bacteriostatic-Water-30-ml.html

 

[SkagKush]

hey capt, how come you preferred to snort your dope?

i would have thought if you main bupe, dope would have been the same....

 

[crushcamel]

I knew some people who use to IV heroin. But for the most part they would snort it because they said it gave them longer lasting, and more "enrgetic" effects compared to IV'ing it. I was suprised because I thought that once you Iv heroin, its hard to want to do it any other way.