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What happens if prop 19 gets a yes vote / [POLL ADDED]

Would You Vote for Prop 19?

  • Yes

    Votes: 34 97.1%
  • No

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    35
If it passes I think that could lead to other states following in either legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana possesion to somewhere like Amsterdam perhaps. That is a long shot however in many states but California can do it if any state can.I do not know how much the tax would be on an Ounce of weed,but even if it is a high tax rate ,then high grade MJ will still be half the price or less than the current insanely high prices.There will still be people growing unregulated.untaxed weed,but they would not be able to charge such high prices for it,and hopefully the commercial grade mexican brick trash that makes drug cartels so much money will be a thing of the past! At least there could be a choice of strains from mid-grade sinsemilla to the highest potentcy indoor strains,all at a fraction of the current price.I hope it passes and this stupid "war" against a weed called marijuana will end as will sending people to jail or prison for it.
 
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psssssst.... i'm pretty sure those inalienable rights you're referring to are grounded in the Constitution, not the Declaration of Independence. The DoI just got us away from England... it didn't say much about what freedoms and rights the colonies at war with England would afford its citizens.

I respectably disagree. The preamble to the constitution (remember from school house rock is, " We The People, in order to form a more perfect union establish justice and insure domestic tranquility. For the common defense, the general welfare and to insure liberty for ourselves and our posterity do ordaine and establish the constitution for the United States of America."

The constitution then goes into the structure of the federal government, each of the three branches roles, and lays down a system of checks and balances to prevent tyranical rule like the colonies were suffering under king George until the end of the revolution.

The first 10 Amendments to the constitution, the Bill of rights were suppose to check the power of the federal government and insure the Rights of Citizens.

The Decleration of Independence is a legally binding government. Those rights it list are stated as being inalieanable, alot of this was influenced by the work of Locke, Rosseau, and Voltaire the latter's ideas influencing the first Amendment.

This document states these rights as being "self evident, edowed by the creator." In other words laws of nature like gravity. To achieve these ends governments are instituted among men (and women). When a government becomes tyranical or oversteps its rights, the decleration of Independence States that it is not just the right but the responsibility of the citizens to throw off the yolk of oppression- to revolt. Now a days we can use the ballot rather than the musket, its just so much of us are apathetic in this country and limit our votes if we vote to two tyranical self serving parties- when there are others to choose from. Prop 19 is a form of revolution against a symbol of tyranny- the war on drugs. A war without winners or loosers, only casulties.

Sorry for the civics lesson but please correct me if i'm wrong. Switzerland, the country with the best example of a model government heavily borrowed from the US Constitution when forming their country our foreign friends should know. its just we have gotten away from the principles that make this country great, slowly after the administration of madison. But the mechanisms are still there to take this country back, as are the safe guards of freedom. We just got to utilize them and get off our lazy fat American asses.

But you are right, they were expanded and codified in latter documents.
 
They wont allow it, the dont want to, cuz cig companies have too much hold and money fucking whores, they dont want cannabis to be sold commercially or the cig will be ofcourse obseleate.
 
They wont allow it, the dont want to, cuz cig companies have too much hold and money fucking whores, they dont want cannabis to be sold commercially or the cig will be ofcourse obseleate.

I've never known anyone who discovered weed and decided to smoke it instead of cigarettes. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I think it's pretty rare that people will decide to only do one drug when two are available legally. I don't think legalization would harm the tobacco market much, although I know the tobacco companies are worried that it will.

From what I've heard the actual industry that is really going after legalization is the alcohol one, which makes sense in a way in that the two drugs that have significant effects are more in competition then the drug that has significant effects (weed) and the highly addictive one with fairly mild and short lived effects (tobacco). That being said, almost everyone I know who smokes pot also drinks, and many of them also smoke tobacco. I don't think the various legal drugs will compete much across markets, except maybe marijuana and alcohol.

Cannabis being legal won't make the cigarette obsolete. They are two different drugs with different effects. I, for one, smoke pot every day, and I also smoke tobacco once a week or so. I don't see why the legalization of cannabis would make people stop wanting tobacco.
 
to quote my father:

"What the fuck does it matter if I come home from work, smoke a joint and drink a beer or two to unwind? It's not their business... hell, it's not even your mother's business."

shortly after me getting expelled from 9th grade in 2002 he changed his tune, but i'm pretty sure he still holds this general concept near and dear.




i know for a fact, though, that if marijuana was decriminalized and/or legalized I'd still like to enjoy a beer while i enjoy a toke.... and shit, i'd probably want to smoke a black & mild some time throughout the night, too.

i don't think many pot-smoking Americans feel much differently.
 
i mistook your "inalienable rights" for fundamental rights.

my B, my B. blame it on the budweiser and super shitty mids.

You may be right, Point is , semantics aside, this country, in principal can be a great bastion of freedom and liberty. A shinning city on a hill like Reagan talked about. It would appear that for all his rhetoric, he was somewhat complicit in allowing cocaine to be brought into this country to fund the wars in central america, especially the Contras in Nicaragua. But I digress as usual.

Yea my friend. We have to provide a united front to protest the war on drugs. This legislation passing can seriously weaken the anti drug lobby- because they get most of their money from ganja arrests, and the cartels in mexico make their money from poy mostly too. It can raise revenues- with the state bankrupt, now is the time to take advatage of this. With all these factors, you can liken the passage of this bill to surgicall removing a tumor. After the tumor is taken out, canerous cells can be destroyed slowly over time with chemotherapy. Remeber, we should legalize not because pot is harmles compared to other drugs (which it is ) but out of principal, all drugs should be legal because drug prohibition is unAmerican. They had to actually pass constitutional amendments to have the power to criminalize substances. Before that, the tactic was to tax something out of existance- need to get my facts straight but I'm prety sure thats the case. This is like a race war against those who use- state sanctioned bigotry like segregation in the south. To trully accomplish things, drug use current and past should protest like civil rights leaders did in the 60s- on a large scale. Attention needs to be drawn to the profoundness of the humanitarian crimes caused by the war on drugs.

To the OP, buds are prety much legal now. If you stayed @ the youth hostel in oB or PB you probably find chronic. Med MJ card are easy to come by and dispensaries are all over the place though I saw the one in oB padlocked the other day. If you are caught- max fine is a $100.00 ticket which very few cops would enfore, usually they confiscate and in 90' and 91' in San Jose I had buds returbed to me.

If prop 19 passes, I don't think the price of kind will drop alot- its still pricey in Amsterdam and dispensaries. Although, if large scale outdoor cultivation is allowed, super kind outdoor strains with high yield might bring the price down. Come to CA, its a great state with alot to offer. You caan surf and snow board in the same day. If you like hard drugs, one of the biggest open air drug markets is 20 km to the south. San Diego is a beautiful city. PM me with recommendations. I also suggest spending time in Hawaii if possible or checking out Oregon and Washington (and Vancouver, BC, Canada). Las Vegas is cool to trip on and NYC id awsome, period.

In an ideal world, though I am a Libertarian eshewing government control, I would like to see weed be grown according to the appelation system model in France (or AVAs as they are called in California wine country) with certain strains grown certain ways in certain soils and have agovernment agency overseeing quality. In door can be regulated seperately and shag weed can be given a lowly geneeric appelation. Then they can be smoked in hash houses and/or coffee shops, like Amsterdam. I think the age to smoke should be 18 but they are probably going to shoot for 21 because they are going to be lucky to get that.
 
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In an ideal world, though I am a Libertarian eshewing government control, I would like to see weed be grown according to the appelation system model in France (or AVAs as they are called in California wine country) with certain strains grown certain ways in certain soils and have agovernment agency overseeing quality.

Been my dream of the near future. It'l happen soon, my friend. likely in my lifetime if I don't fuck myself with other drugs first :)
 
You may be right, Point is , semantics aside, this country, in principal can be a great bastion of freedom and liberty. A shinning city on a hill like Reagan talked about. It would appear that for all his rhetoric, he was somewhat complicit in allowing cocaine to be brought into this country to fund the wars in central america, especially the Contras in Nicaragua. But I digress as usual.

Yea my friend. We have to provide a united front to protest the war on drugs. This legislation passing can seriously weaken the anti drug lobby- because they get most of their money from ganja arrests, and the cartels in mexico make their money from poy mostly too. It can raise revenues- with the state bankrupt, now is the time to take advatage of this. With all these factors, you can liken the passage of this bill to surgicall removing a tumor. After the tumor is taken out, canerous cells can be destroyed slowly over time with chemotherapy. Remeber, we should legalize not because pot is harmles compared to other drugs (which it is ) but out of principal, all drugs should be legal because drug prohibition is unAmerican. They had to actually pass constitutional amendments to have the power to criminalize substances. Before that, the tactic was to tax something out of existance- need to get my facts straight but I'm prety sure thats the case. This is like a race war against those who use- state sanctioned bigotry like segregation in the south. To trully accomplish things, drug use current and past should protest like civil rights leaders did in the 60s- on a large scale. Attention needs to be drawn to the profoundness of the humanitarian crimes caused by the war on drugs.

To the OP, buds are prety much legal now. If you stayed @ the youth hostel in oB or PB you probably find chronic. Med MJ card are easy to come by and dispensaries are all over the place though I saw the one in oB padlocked the other day. If you are caught- max fine is a $100.00 ticket which very few cops would enfore, usually they confiscate and in 90' and 91' in San Jose I had buds returbed to me.

If prop 19 passes, I don't think the price of kind will drop alot- its still pricey in Amsterdam and dispensaries. Although, if large scale outdoor cultivation is allowed, super kind outdoor strains with high yield might bring the price down. Come to CA, its a great state with alot to offer. You caan surf and snow board in the same day. If you like hard drugs, one of the biggest open air drug markets is 20 km to the south. San Diego is a beautiful city. PM me with recommendations. I also suggest spending time in Hawaii if possible or checking out Oregon and Washington (and Vancouver, BC, Canada). Las Vegas is cool to trip on and NYC id awsome, period.

In an ideal world, though I am a Libertarian eshewing government control, I would like to see weed be grown according to the appelation system model in France (or AVAs as they are called in California wine country) with certain strains grown certain ways in certain soils and have agovernment agency overseeing quality. In door can be regulated seperately and shag weed can be given a lowly geneeric appelation. Then they can be smoked in hash houses and/or coffee shops, like Amsterdam. I think the age to smoke should be 18 but they are probably going to shoot for 21 because they are going to be lucky to get that.




I've never really caught you dropping knowledge before.

Respeck.
 
I am all for it. I would just worry that once the Gov't starts it's regulation BS, the quality will go to shit. There will probably be a threshold as far as THC or CBN percentages go. Just like alcohol, there are limits to how strong it can be. Moonshine is still illegal as far I as I know.

Also, Big Pharma is going to be against it as well...so will the FDA. They will not make there BILLIONS on a plant that cannot be patented. If someone claims that an herb will cure or prevent a disease, then that means it must be a drug and if you don't involve the FDA, THEY WILL SHUT YOU DOWN AND FINE YOUR ASS!! It's all about the almighty dollar. I can only wish for a day when the bad stigma around marijuana disappears.
 
Arob, I think there will still be a market for the high-quality indoor "designer strains". Anything the Government puts out, isn't gonna be all that great. They will control it like everything else.
Think of it like alcohol...some people will want that cheap $10 bottle of wine and others will spend $50 on upwards of close to $1000 for a bottle!
 
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