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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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I have noticed that after filtering it 6 times that the solution is much clearer and easier on the nose and after each time the solution got much clearer until its barley white at all and almost a clear solution. I dont think their was any loss in bupe at all but i could be mistaken

and tramadol+suboxone was an amazing experience i hope one day i can get my hands on some more, it was pure euphoria and bliss for 2 hours
 
I guess from now on ill only do it a couple times. how much bupe do you think you lose micron filtering? and cotton filtering? does the bupe just go through the cotton and micron filters like liquid or is some of it stopped by the micron filter and/or cotton?

ill have to look into this futher to try and find the best filtration method while keeping the bupe side of the pill, ill report back what i find in a couple days

There was a study done on micron filters, and you lose virtually none when you push an additional 2-3 CC of bacteriostatic water through the filter after you push through the solution with the dissolved pill particles in it. This is to help make micron filtering more efficient.

You can also very carefully keep the needle in the vial you are filtering into, but make sure the bevel is in an area of the vial where there is air and not solution. Then you can pull the plunger back out a few CC's (don't worry, the suction won't let you get far). This should suction some of the liquid out of the micron filter back into the syringe. Then, pressing the plunger back in again, can push more of the solution across. You can do this a few times, but once the solution starts trickling into drops and the drops slowly stop dripping as quickly as they were, you pretty much have gotten the whole solution.

The best way to ensure you aren't going to lose any product (virtually; the amount you're losing is probably equal or less than to what you lose via cotton filtering) is to take a 3cc syringe and get an extra 2-3 cc of bacteriostatic water to push through the filter at the end of filtration.
 
hmmm then if you lose none by micron filtering id imagine u wouldnt lose any bupe when filtering it with just cotton. the reason i filtered it so many timeswas when i first filtered it alot of the inactives were seen after i took out the used cotton it made me think that if i did it a few more times id just keep getting that nose hurting shit out and after the third time filtering it the inactives were still building slightly in the cotton and after the 6th time round it was a pure clear solution, it makes me think that if you are going to IV why not just filter it with cotton 6 or 7 times around?? instead of buying expensive micron filtering?
 
hmmm then if you lose none by micron filtering id imagine u wouldnt lose any bupe when filtering it with just cotton. the reason i filtered it so many timeswas when i first filtered it alot of the inactives were seen after i took out the used cotton it made me think that if i did it a few more times id just keep getting that nose hurting shit out and after the third time filtering it the inactives were still building slightly in the cotton and after the 6th time round it was a pure clear solution, it makes me think that if you are going to IV why not just filter it with cotton 6 or 7 times around?? instead of buying expensive micron filtering?


....because micron filters are able to get out almost all of the other things that you CANT see floating around, or changing the color of the solution. Some things can dissolve in water and get sucked up through a cotton, but a micron filter would catch it so it doesnt fuck up your veins/body. I think corn starch is a good example of something a cotton wouldnt filter out but a micron filter would.
 
As per my other post, how can i intelligently explain to my doc that I would rather remain on Oxy and not switch to Subox?
****Decline Due to - SEVERE SIDE EFFECTS****

Here are the details; http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=525726

I just declined methadone 2 weeks ago and the doc then said subox will be ideal due to my severe breakthrough pains (currently treated with 4 x 10mg instant release Oxycodone as required per day)

In my opinion, them trying to put you on MMT or Suboxone is a horrible idea.

Go seek out the professional opinion of a pain management specialist (or, another one, if you already have and this is what's happening).

I had no idea that the non-opiod properties of tramadol could cause such opiate like effects. Thats extremely interesting.

Also, what other drugs can you combine with bupe to create "pronounced euphoria"??......i am interested in this for obvious reasons.

I think antihistamines like hydroxyzine and doxylamine are ideal for pronounced euphoria. Then again there are other drugs like amphetamine, cannabis, benzodiazepines, and I would say these are just the most common ones. There are others that some people utilize (like gabapentin/pregabalin).

hmmm then if you lose none by micron filtering id imagine u wouldnt lose any bupe when filtering it with just cotton. the reason i filtered it so many timeswas when i first filtered it alot of the inactives were seen after i took out the used cotton it made me think that if i did it a few more times id just keep getting that nose hurting shit out and after the third time filtering it the inactives were still building slightly in the cotton and after the 6th time round it was a pure clear solution, it makes me think that if you are going to IV why not just filter it with cotton 6 or 7 times around?? instead of buying expensive micron filtering?

Because talc and corn starch require a 0.22um micron filter to be filtered out, cotton filters won't remove the majority of these inactive ingredients.

Also, micron filtering (along with a preservative in your solution) can create a solution which will last up to 28 days.

Merely filtering with a cotton for one, will not remove any bacteria, and it will also not allow for the solution to sit around for a while by itself (a preservative may enable it to have a shelf life).
 
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Yea, if you truly do have serious pain issues and the oxy you were prescribed took care of that pain fine, then I dont see any reason to switch drugs....BUT, im not there witnessing everything going on, so its possible the doctor has his/her own reasons that we are not aware of for making this decision. Its really hard to make these kind of calls over the internet.

Overall I would say to just do what your doctor says, and take what medication he gives you, and tell him if it isnt working etc...

you can try to keep going from doctor to doctor, but for one....that might look like doctor shopping, like your just looking for a doctor to give you opiates....and two....each doctor you go to isnt going to prescribe you oxy until they talk to your previous doctor and see your previous medical charts. And if your doctors now are pushing for methadone or suboxone, than that is what they are going to tell whatever new doctor you go to.....and then your new doctor might see you as a guy who just wants his oxy. Which you are, but not in the bad way....but each new doc probably will see it in a bad way.

Anyway, good luck with your pain problems...I had a close friend in high school with scoliosis.
 
MY rant on Naloxone at the start of this thread. And the reason why its the cause to my sickness ect.. I respect your thoughts and I think you will agree with me once you read it

Thanks for posting in brown so I know which posts to skip..

Trying to decipher them gives me a headache.
 
i think im just going to add this as a boiler plate:

-if you dont have a micron filter just fit several layers of coffee filter the diameter of the barrel in the there. backload and push solution through. comes out clear as day (have you ever taken a micron filter apart? its essentially a really fine coffee filter).

-for potentiation of any opiate, hell any depressant, and to smooth out the high/come down of stims LYRICA IS THE SHEEEEEEEEEEET. seriously check this shit out, its amazing.
 
going to doc for script

hey all. my second post go me. anyone know how much it cost for sub for a doctor appt and script on usual with no insurance.
 
is it a long process like the blood test and appt for meth clinic or pretty much go in and get them. and what if you already have sub in your system.
 
In my opinion, them trying to put you on MMT or Suboxone is a horrible idea.

Go seek out the professional opinion of a pain management specialist (or, another one, if you already have and this is what's happening).



I think antihistamines like hydroxyzine and doxylamine are ideal for pronounced euphoria. Then again there are other drugs like amphetamine, cannabis, benzodiazepines, and I would say these are just the most common ones. There are others that some people utilize (like gabapentin/pregabalin).



Because talc and corn starch require a 0.22um micron filter to be filtered out, cotton filters won't remove the majority of these inactive ingredients.

Also, micron filtering (along with a preservative in your solution) can create a solution which will last up to 28 days.

Merely filtering with a cotton for one, will not remove any bacteria, and it will also not allow for the solution to sit around for a while by itself (a preservative may enable it to have a shelf life).

hmm this is disconcerting, i have a kind of old buprenorphine solution about 2 weeks old i filtered it with cotton but i accidently mixed some water with the pure saline/suboxone solution. i noticed a weird smell from the dry stuff on the outer part of the bottle but the inside smells fine. i was hoping to mix miniscule amounts of this bottle with the subutex salin nose spray solution.would this be bad for just IV? because i just use it intranasal only, so do i have to worry about bacteria then?
 
is it a long process like the blood test and appt for meth clinic or pretty much go in and get them. and what if you already have sub in your system.

They will give you a urine test if you do go in for your first appearance appointment. I told my doctors that my whole opiate type deal for years blah blah but said I had been on Suboxone I bought to get off opiates. So yes I had Suboxone in my urine when they tested me.

k, but here's what's cool about my doctors. first visit you talk to the top doctor, and he is a black man in a flamingo shirt broadcasting live from Florida to a television in the conference room. each television has a camera, so you are able to communicate to the doctor live from Florida all the way up to me in Maine (duh!!). once you tell him your story and what you wanna start on for a Suboxone dose to stop doing drugs, he signs you up after a few questions and you monthly see another guy Anthony, that just piss tests me and checks in with my progress. i thought that was neat, maybe it's just me haha. if you've never heard of doctors that practice over video chat, now you have. it's the 100% truth
 
for me it was 400 for the first visit and then 250 for an hourly visit and 175 for half an hour but i have it about 75% covered

For my Suboxone doctor--visit prices:
1st visit (video link): $300 cash (no insurance, checks, or partial payments anymore)
1st prescription is for two weeks always at first. so you will get 14 days worth of your dose
2nd visit (in office appt): $150 cash (still same)
Maybe you go to three weeks worth of pills. Each visit from here on will be $150 every month or however long your doctor prescribes you.

Personally i'm covered by MaineCare that takes care of 100% of prescription cost, because for as low as 21 every three weeks, it is roughly $178 for the prescription.
if you have no income, means of staying clean, or insurance to cover the purchase of the pills from the pharmacy at least than this may be a much more difficult route than the clinic, in all honesty.
 
hmm i get a script for 30 days seems weird

Yeah if you follow the program. I keep coming up with at least THC in my urine test and he is obligated to restrict me to three weeks at a time, 21 days, if I don't piss clean. There's been a couple other boo boos in the piss once or twice so he has been hesitant to reward me four weeks at a time. Normally it's fine, I just come in, piss THC and get only three weeks. Peace. haha

oh well.
 
I've been on subs for 2months. I took 8mg at 5am how long do I need to wait to do some 80s? I wont be iving just snorting idk if that makes any difference.
 
I've been on subs for 2months. I took 8mg at 5am how long do I need to wait to do some 80s? I wont be iving just snorting idk if that makes any difference.

I would wait AT LEAST 12 hours. You'll probably feel something, but IMO you'd be wasting them if you don't wait at least 24-48 hrs.

You've been on a lot of bupe.

The longer you wait, the more you'll feel.
 
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