So who likes benzos? El Benzo Threado Spectacularrrr 2nd Edition

[Sustanon]

+ 1 to the random zanny talk we do when we're off our heads.... haha my post right above i vaguely memorised is just so embarrassing.

I just had 2mg and a half .5mg over one hour and not feeling to much, weiird?? Id be n deadsleep n now lol...


Yeah got these from city too - same thhings??

I find that benzo tolerance (i use alprazolams daily almost) increases rapidly like within a few days. I usually knock myself out after having a bar but now im takin 4-5 (not at once) to get that effect. I only use 2/3 of a bar with a high dose of codeine and a low dose of DXM and if i have sum oxys then id add 30-40mg to it. Ahh man talkin about it all makes me crave it bad LOL the rush u get from that in just insane. I just like the overall relaxed feeling i get

 

[S.M.F.G]

Xanax with klopin is seeming to be a great combo
IMO vallium is babys play, compared to the above its nothing
coming from one with quite a tollerence and emotional liability when on vals.

 

[puckboy]

Yeah from now on I'll just stick to one or two a day, I dunno if it's just me but I always end up going for more without realising it - going to have to hide them! haha

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that it's not 'just you' and this is very common with benzos. People will blackout and wake up with an empty pill bottle thinking they'd only had a couple benzos with a beer or something the night before, then finding empty alcohol cans/bottles and a trail of destruction they'd actually created the night prior. You can get to the point where you're on auto-pilot, which is extremely dangerous, and I don't just mean from the large amount of drug consumed but the reckless behaviour that ensues.

I understand how addictive they are and the serious consequences but tbh I'm an idiot cause I'm going to keep taking the rest of them over the next few weeks and HOPEFULLY wont have them again so often without being dependent... I'll probs be back in this thread telling myself "Ohhhhhhhhhh whyyyyyyyyyyy just whyyyyyyyyy didn't I take DM's and others advice - haha...

Thanks for the advice! Having one now...Tired!!! :D

Please don't get into a daily habit. It's not funny. It's not fun. It's one of the worst things I've had to face in my life. I've tried getting off benzos a couple times, but the anxiety gets too bad and the therapy doesn't fill the gap.

Keep it occasional, save for when you really need them. I don't mean to be 'that guy' but I only say this because of how much an anxiety disorder, benzo dependance/addiction (amongst other drugs) has fucked my life up so much. I'm doing much better these days, but I just hate to think of people going through the bullshit I and many others have.

4mg clonazepam a day, and I'm still a shakey, anxious person - fuck benzo dependance.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yea man methadone n bupe both cancel opies out. Sucks bad as i have a few friends on them and they try to get off opies but with no luck.

methadone dose have a bloackade dosge around the 40mg after being on the program for a while. this means that it;s extremely hard to get recreational effects using other opiates/oids on top. you will still get analgesic effects though.

bupe on the other hand has a much higher binding affinity than most other opioids, like methadone, to the opiate receptors and being an antogonist will in most circumstances block other opiates fomr being effective according to the bupe dos you're on,

a lower dose of bupe, say 0.5mg - 2mg/day, will still have analgesic effects from other less potent full mu agonists, ie - oxy, codeine, hydro, etc.

and to turn it round, if you're on a full agonist and dose an antagonist such as bupe it will send you into precipitated withdrawals.

all this can be found right here - Suboxone/Buprenorphine Megathread and FAQ v8.0

 

[muntedmunter]

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Keep it occasional, save for when you really need them. I don't mean to be 'that guy' but I only say this because of how much an anxiety disorder, benzo dependance/addiction (amongst other drugs) has fucked my life up so much. I'm doing much better these days, but I just hate to think of people going through the bullshit I and many others have.

4mg clonazepam a day, and I'm still a shakey, anxious person - fuck benzo dependance.

Thankyou, thankyou and thanks for the advice - the 'guy' sent me a text wanting to see if I'd like another 2 bottles of them.... It was realllly hard but I replied saying 'no thanks mate, these will do".

This is just experimentation but tbh if I hadn't read these posts and how dangerous these are then I probably would of, considering none of my mates take these, just weed ills and coke they can't give much advice except to eat em all down lmao...

Once the bottle is done - that's it! I've had my fun, enjoyed the experience and I'll only take one if it's around and I have a bad come down.

Cheeers and RESPECT for your honesty

 

[drug_mentor]

^ They are fucking magic for comedowns mate, and there is nothing wrong with having a few benzo's on hand for when you need them to relieve anxiety, insomnia or a comedown. The two main problems are addiction and over abuse, by using these daily you WILL find yourself addicted very quickly, and by using them to get "fucked up" instead of to relieve certain symptoms you are sure to find yourself in trouble sooner or later.

Why don't you stop taking them everyday and evaluate your ability to use them sensibly? I doubt anyone would completely condemn benzo use the thing is that they are just a very easy class of drugs to find yourself in a lot of trouble in a short amount of time if you don't use them responsibly and maturely.

I certainly wont say you shouldn't stop, only that you shouldn't neccessarily take warnings of the worst case scenario as a reason to totally abstain before you test yourself to see if you can be responsible. Benzodiazepines would definately qualify as the most useful recreational drugs in my humble opinion.

 

[drug_mentor]

^ Sounds like you are going pretty well mate if you have used the stuff 4 nights a week for a year and your tolerance is still that low.

If you are dosing every second day, particularly if you use lorazepam more often (its half life is about double that of etizolam), there is a chance you could of developed a mild physical addiction. Taking such minute doses and not even every day it would be a pretty easy addiction to taper off and quit with minimal withdrawals I would think.

You are clearly succeeding so far at keeping tolerance very low, I would say if you keep dosing 4 days a week tolerance has to develop sooner or later, but I would of expected that when using at the frequency you are that your tolerance would be higher than it is, so who knows.

I would definately say that is a good example of how to best use benzodiazepines, low to moderate doses, not taken daily and used to relax a little or relieve negative symptoms instead of to get trashed.

When you start having to increase your dose substantially or notice that the 4 days a week you are dosing has become 7 it is time to re evaluate your use. 4 times a week is probably slight overkill if it is more for the purpose of light recreation than medical reasons, but is not very different to enjoying a few evening drinks a couple nights a week.

 

[psytaco]

hahhhahaah


So the questions is:

1)If i have this bottle being 50 2mg thingys in there will I be easily able to stop? It's hard for me to get them too

2) WillI suffer any withdrawals? I have seen some videos on youtube of benzo withdrawals and it's something I NEVER EVER want to go through lol

3) I was hallucinating last night, most I have ever hallucinated - like I saw a man and a woman taking in my room, it looked so realistic.

4) I just had one10 mins ago, which is why I am typing this before I get to messed up again lol - will aglass of scotch make any difference? Why do people like to drink on these?

I'm a bit confused - I enjoy them since it's something totally different to me, makes me more chilled, I can play mind games and try to stay up and I rejuvenates me after a night out.

So I guess that's why ppl love em?

Thanks!

1) I can't answer this, but there is a good chance you may have difficulty stopping. How much are you using a day and for how long?

2) I can't answer this either. I pray you don't. I abused valium for maybe a month 30-60mg a day. Let me tell you, tolerance and addiction sneaks up fast. Even though i wasn't using for long, getting off them and going through withdrawals was one of the hardest things I have had to do in my life. I had to taper, and did it quite quickly. I felt like shit for about a month. Sweating, panicy and anxious, headaches, sexual dysfunction, loss of appetite, shaking alot, really sensitive to light and sound, insomnia. but the worst thing of all was the nausea. my god that was terrible. I felt so sick I couldn't concentrate on work, had to force myself to eat, definately couldn't exercise.

The only thing that got my through that time period was taking good dosages of codeine during the day. otherwise it would of been extra painful.

My advice is to cut back NOW. if you are taking them everyday, you are fast on the way to addiction. and addiction is hellish. its better to stop now when withdrawal is manageable, rather than try and do it a few months or years down the track when you could die or have extremely unpleasant effects.

If your unsure what to do, I suggest seeing a doctor and they can give you a tappering plan. if you have been doing it a while, don't stop abruptly.

 

[muntedmunter]

My advice is to cut back NOW. if you are taking them everyday, you are fast on the way to addiction. and addiction is hellish. its better to stop now when withdrawal is manageable, rather than try and do it a few months or years down the track when you could die or have extremely unpleasant effects.

If your unsure what to do, I suggest seeing a doctor and they can give you a tappering plan. if you have been doing it a while, don't stop abruptly.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeek!

Well I am finishing the last of the bottle tonight, just had 2 bars 90 mins ago and will have the other one in an hour or two and thennnnn...... That's it?????

cry cry cry........ makes work so much less stressful, chilling to music, watching tv, going for random walks, drunk but not drunk in a way babbling on forums and its just so easy to have like doesn't hurt like when you punch a cone to relax, just water, and swollow and and blahhh doing it again where i keep typing when i am on these.

it just puts me in this moral dilemma already, i like these better then anything ive had, coke, weed, ills - yet yet yet the withdrawals will sound like "WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

OK OK so like i gave up weed after smoking a g a day for like nearly a year (previous thread) from a while back and that was my worst time EVER since i couldn't sleep, was boreddddd as, craving, life wasn't the same so yeah these would put me through torture...

and here i go i type type and i like it yet i just cant stop typing... this is why - okay ending it here...

last time on these...

edit - soz for ramble, wont happen again.

 

[psytaco]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeek!

Well I am finishing the last of the bottle tonight, just had 2 bars 90 mins ago and will have the other one in an hour or two and thennnnn...... That's it?????

cry cry cry........ makes work so much less stressful, chilling to music, watching tv, going for random walks, drunk but not drunk in a way babbling on forums and its just so easy to have like doesn't hurt like when you punch a cone to relax, just water, and swollow and and blahhh doing it again where i keep typing when i am on these.

it just puts me in this moral dilemma already, i like these better then anything ive had, coke, weed, ills - yet yet yet the withdrawals will sound like "WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

OK OK so like i gave up weed after smoking a g a day for like nearly a year (previous thread) from a while back and that was my worst time EVER since i couldn't sleep, was boreddddd as, craving, life wasn't the same so yeah these would put me through torture...

and here i go i type type and i like it yet i just cant stop typing... this is why - okay ending it here...

last time on these...

edit - soz for ramble, wont happen again.

Yeah I used to do the posts on forums and random calls to friends that I couldn't remember. Was fun, but gave me some real 'what the fuck?!?!' moments the next day.

I don't mean to scare you dude, but withdrawing from benzos is a HELL of alot worse than whatever you had to put up with weed. but it is much better to get it done earlier on than later. With a bit of luck you won't be in too much bother due to only doing it a short time, but I definately was. Like I said, different people will react differently to stoping. You might get no withdrawal effects at all.

Mate, if I were you and you have any left I would save them for if you need them when you have to stop.

if you are having problems giving up and the withdrawals get to much please go see a doctor and come clean with what you have been up to and get yourself on a tapering plan. Stopping benzos abruptly can be agonising and dangerous if you have been on them awhile (though this won't be the case with you).

All the best, and keep us posted with how you go.

P.S: visit the 'darkside' forums to get an idea on what benzo withdrawal can be like to those who abuse them for months and years. it will scare you straight.

 

[Sustanon]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeek!



last time on these...

U sure? Thats what i said a little while ago LOL They go soooo well with opies tho. By itself isnt that great IMO. Just be careful and dont over do it and dont mix it with anything if u arnt experienced.

 

[drug_mentor]

Got some more bromazepam today, don't mind this shit even though its kinda subtle.

Best of luck with your quitting muntedmunter, hopefully it isn't too difficult for you, from the sounds of things the main problem you have ahead of you is the mental desire to keep on using the drug.

It doesn't really surprise me you used to be a bong head, as in my experience abusing marijuana heavily (especially when also using stims regularly, which I am guessing you did with MDMA given your name) often leads to problems with anxiety and it is generally those who suffer from anxiety who derive the most pleasure from using benzodiazepines. Perhaps if this is the case and you do suffer from anxiety it would be wise to seek treatment in the way of a counsellor or something, if you deal with your anxiety it should hopefully stop a lot of your desire or need to use a benzo.

 

[Sublimit]

Hey guys i didn't want to strat another thread but i did a bit of searching in ADD for flumazenil and what its indicated for... this is from MIMS

If CNS depression is severe consider the use of flumazenil (Anexate), a benzodiazepine antagonist. This should only be administered under closely monitored conditions. It has a short half-life (about an hour), therefore, patients administered flumazenil will require monitoring after its effects have worn off. Flumazenil may precipitate seizures and is to be used with extreme caution in the presence of medicines that reduce seizure threshold (e.g. tricyclic antidepressants, tramadol) and epileptic patients who have been treated with benzodiazepines.

basically it's used for a benzodiazapine overdose, but my cousin has been telling me about this treatment that his GP offered him. I had heard of it before... one guy in west australia i think, but my cousins telling me that his doctor is the only one that offeres the flumazenil treatment to kick massive benzo habbits. he's been seening the GP for 6 months and constantly reducing on methadone and this GP has been reallly supportive and also looking after him, making him feel comfortable from juping from 90 to 20mg of Mdone in a day. This GP's attitude is that he can hand out as many benzo's as he wants because once my cousinn is over the methadone the GP seems confident about his flumazenil treatment.

It sounds too good to be true, but at the same time he's just got a script of 30 1mg tablets of hypnodorm, which he took 7 of them and felt fine. before he was given 2 50 2.5?mg bottles of lorazapam and valiuum. I talked him into getting the hypnodorm because i havent tried it for a year, and he's going for a refil tonight after using the hypnodorm script in 3 days. he'd take 10mg of ativan and not feel anything. i was the one who told him to go for clonazepam... so much better than loraz and you get 200 for a cup of coffee and cake.

I'll see if he can get some vials of midazolam

Love to hate them. I really am sick of being on them everyday. The withdrawals are not worth the "high"
I never known anyone with my history like my friends to ever quit benzos.
So word of warning.
But i do have to say Hypnodorm and Clonazepam are my benzos of choice.
I tried them all even RC ones... Well except this japanese one that used to be a legal high and bromazepam been meaning on getting some but just aint got around to it and have a stock pile of hundreds of benzos. Liquid clonaz is what i using right now.

This might help some of you http://www.freshstart.org.au/medical-flumazenil.html
hope its ok to post links like this. I do believe it could help some people it worries me seeing so many people liking them. It seems most people learn the hard about benzo addiction.

Been thinking of switching over to barbs for 2 weeks to get off benzos or using flumazenil benzo flush, but its seems to only be done by one doctor in West oz. In MIMS it only talks about using it for over doses.

haha that guy might of relocated to melbourne! no i just thought i'd bumb this thread because i'm a bit sceptical about it. my cousin is going to pay 60 a day for his gp to come around and dose him... i think its over 5 days??? but yeah he has a ridiculous tolerance. so how did the flumazenil benzo flush go?

I seriously caution you if you were to go over to any barbiturate! If you are serious about getting off benzos, I would suggest you speak with your doctor, be up front and 100% truthful and see what they diagnose. Obviously you haven't given us a lot of information in that post, however have you tried even just tapering the dose to ween off them? Self medication of barbiturates is a very touchy game!

In regards to , as "impressive" as the website is, I can't see how helpful it would actually be in helping one kick a benzo addiction. It is, after all just a benzodiazepine antagonist. You take the flumazenil, you're body feels the need for a benzo fix and you have to take more in order to get the same effect you're used to (since the receptors are being filled by the flumazenil). Not to mention which benzo you have on had and whether it has a higher efficacy then the flumazenil.

Anyway good luck with it all.

hey thats interesting and it will be interesting to see yhe results od my cousin, he's doing it in about 3 weeks, his doctor told him that his not worried about benzo addiction because of this flumazenil treatment, and its like frr range to get any benzo you want from this guy.

So has anyone had experience with flumazenil with WD from benzo's? his GP said that ther;f\d be no discomfit at all and he'd been using 50mg of diazeoam equivalent for 6 months

 

[zebadee]

Bit off topic but does anyone know the law regarding bringing diazapam on a flight overseas without a prescription.

I get bad anxiety on planes and have managed to get a few vals for the flight. not sure what will happen if i do happen to get caught with em at customs. Anyone able to help?
cheers!

 

[psytaco]

Bit off topic but does anyone know the law regarding bringing diazapam on a flight overseas without a prescription.

I get bad anxiety on planes and have managed to get a few vals for the flight. not sure what will happen if i do happen to get caught with em at customs. Anyone able to help?
cheers!

Its illegal to possess valium without a perscription. if you get caught at customs you can be charged with importing a controlled substance, which is a very serious offence. In some countries that carries that death penalty.

You will have a much less stressful plane trip if you go see your doctor and say you get bad anxiety when flying and ask him to do a small script of valium (show him you flight iternary so he doesn't think you are doctor shopping). This way you can carry the valium on the plane with no problems.

Do not try and take drugs you don't ahve script for across borders.

 

[zebadee]

cheers guys, thought that'd be the case. i'll swing past the dr's before i leave.

 

[TripppAR]

Discovering quite a fondness for xanax of late..


That is all.

 

[belarki]

cheers guys, thought that'd be the case. i'll swing past the dr's before i leave.

I'd ask your doctor about the legality of taking them on a flight too.... just in case. Don't take legal advice from an internet forum as gospel

 

[Jabberwocky]

^benzos are prescribed fairly frequently for those with anxieties of flying (and sleep of course) so given you have either a: your current, up to date script bottle box on you persons it shouldn't be a problem or b) a specific letter from your doctor. it will come down to what country you're enterting as well.

other drugs of addiction such as methadone and buprenorphine you require applying for a license normally for no more than 30 days supply at a time.

if in any doubts ask your doc as belarki mentioned.

 

[zebadee]

i'm seeing my doc today. i'm flying to malaysia so I want to be completely 100% legit with everything.