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The Big & Dandy Diphenhydramine Thread

OP, I've done DPH many, many, many times. I have reduced it to a science. As you can see by my spelling and coherency, I've experienced no ill long-term effects.

I must warn you that 500mg as a starting dose is asking for trouble. I regularly trip above 700mg well into the 1.2g range, but also as low as 75mg. DPH is a drug with high dysphoria if you have no tolerance. The reason most people experience raging tachycardia, horrific nightmare trips and a whole assortment of terrible events is because they dive into the waters before they learn to swim.

I can answer nearly any question you need to know about the experience itself, dosing, activities to do, etc.

There is a board on 4 2 0 chan dedicated to Deliriants (not just DPH, but Nutmeg, Datura, etc.)

I recommend starting with a delayed dose of 150 mg. Do 75mg, wait 45 minutes to one hour, then dose 75mg again.

You might be extremely sensitive to the 75 mg, and if that's the case, don't dose again. But if you are able to handle the discomfort, dose once more. Listen to music. Watch pleasant things. Ensure that you won't be disturbed and that you have no obligations.

For the first few trips, you simply must get accustomed to the dread. Once you are over the dread, you may dose 300mg at once. Always listen to music on DPH. Never go outside. You will be unfit to be in public.

I recommend doing any creative activity, even talking aloud or writing your thoughts.

Don't be another casualty of ignorance. DPH can be enjoyable, but it's an acquired taste and it isn't forgiving in the slightest. You can die if you don't have the tolerance that I do. I can take doses that would literally kill an inexperienced person or send them to the hospital. Not exaggerating.

Most people here don't trip on DPH regularly, but I have and I can guide you in the right direction. You might not be cut out for this, so I can give you safety advice.

Above all, the safest thing to do is abstain from DPH, of course. But if you want to try it successfully and not have a heart attack, please follow my advice.

PM me your AIM if you feel like asking any more questions.
 
I must stress something not known by most people: the negative effects of DPH go away even at high doses once a person becomes accustomed to the drug. Your body can handle it and tachycardia, jumpiness, and dysphoria go away.

The only thing that doesn't go away is the post trip itch and mucous membrane dryness. If only there were a way to prevent that. Visine works for the eyes but at very high doses, your nose will itch like hell.

Also be aware that you might experience urinary retention. To make matters worse, you have to stay hydrated during a DPH trip. Don't freak out. You only have this problem at doses higher than you can handle. This is one of the reasons why you should gradually work up to high doses. I can pee at 1.2 grams. I will bet money that you won't be able to and might need a catheter.

P.S: Music sounds GODLY on this at the sweet doses (250-400, 700 and up). Listen to music with pauses and vocals that stand alone at certain parts.

Between 400 and 700 is a worthless area unfortunately. I don't know why, but this has been noted by others as well.


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I still don't get the appeal behind overdosing on a drug in hopes of experience one of the MANY toxic consequences, all bad, of anticholinergic OD?

If I tell you that the antidote for what you just did is Tear Gas, would you believe me that you are literally poisoning yourself? DPH is actually NOT chiefly even a deliriant. The delirium is the body's cry for help upon realizing that its been severely poisoned.
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Alcohol is a poison too.
 
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phew: while tolerance may increase to the dysphoric effects of DPH, the cardiotoxicity, as it were, certainly does not go away. Certainly you've heard of Sedric Lightbury.

Jamshyd said:
If I tell you that the antidote for what you just did is Tear Gas, would you believe me that you are literally poisoning yourself?
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The antidote would be nerve gas, that is, acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, not tear gas, which are capsaicin agonists. Cholinesterase inhibitors have other legitimate medical uses in non-convulsant doses.

FWIW: to get a real DPH experience you'll need over 600 mg, usually, though it varies depending on body weight.
 
I hate diphenhydramine. I took it back in high school when I first started having interest in drugs.

Made me feel like I was floating inside my own body, weighed 1000lbs when I walked, and repeatedly had extended conversations with people who weren't there.

Hallucinations, not the fun Lysergic brand either.
 
LSD, pot, amphetamine,
nitrous, MDMA, mescaline.

psilocybin mushrooms.
morning glories.
phenethylamines.

kratom, kava,
ayahuasca or some DMT,
tryptamines,

dried banana peels


just sayin', thats all
 
phew said:
Alcohol is a poison too.
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And where did you see me recommending alcohol in this thread?

The antidote would be nerve gas, that is, acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, not tear gas, which are capsaicin agonists. Cholinesterase inhibitors have other legitimate medical uses in non-convulsant doses.
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Nerve gas and Tear gas were interchangeable last time I checked. When I made the above post, I was thinking of acetylcholinesterase inhibitors like Sarin. Lachrymation is an effect of both those and the capsaicin drugs.
 
OP please take my word. delierients like Jimson weed and overdoses of anti-histamines never turn out well. Even if somehow they did they tend to be pretty amnestic. Tons of risk to extremely low chance of benefit.

If someone does decide to do delierients please have a baby sitter so that you are not collecting imaginary ladybugs off of an imaginary spaceship that happens to be realistically in the middle of very solid traffic. Best of luck whatever you decide to do. (more realistically you'd be avoiding disgusting blurry blobs when your baby sitter would need to pull you out of traffic or off a roof.)
 
Was out of town for a few days at Busch Gardens n whatnot and just read over the replies, but there are too many people to respond to lol. Anyway, I appreciate the information everyone has given and I'll take getting used to it first into consideration (although I think I'll start over 300 mgs since I already did it) if I end up wanting to go through with it.

Again I do realize it isn't the most enjoyable experience, I was actually in the mood for hell tbh cause I was bored and curious. I'm still curious so I will probably end up going through with it eventually, but it won't be for a while if I do and I might dose 300-400ish mgs a few times beforehand. I'm really not looking for an enjoyable experience, it's more like research.

"sounds being super loud and silence is really weird, almost like it's too quiet." LOL yep fucking diphenhydramine. Excellent drug for fast fowarding tobacco withdrawal or putting you to sleep. Otherwise, it's evil as fuck.
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Yeah, I felt like killing someone every time I heard a tap. I can't remember if I tried listening to music or not, but I think I avoided it cause sound didn't seem pleasant.

Aloysius said:
LSD, pot, amphetamine,
nitrous, MDMA, mescaline.

psilocybin mushrooms.
morning glories.
phenethylamines.

kratom, kava,
ayahuasca or some DMT,
tryptamines,

dried banana peels


just sayin', thats all
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Is there a reason you're listing this stuff? :-\
 
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I've had many experiences with diphenhydramine on varying degrees. I'll give you a quick overview of it.

When I had no tolerance and ingested my first few doses (which consisted of about 4 times in the 200-400mg range), I felt EXTREMELY FUCKING HEAVY; think Goku from DBZ having to carry around those 500lb weights on his limbs when he underwent training. There was one time when I had fallen asleep about 4 hours in and, upon awakening, struggled to get out of bed for about 30 minutes on account of me feeling like I'd weighed a ton. Walking was no easy task, as my feet would drop much faster than I usually could, which felt like I was a rusty robot in need of an oil change, I guess a very stiff sort of robowalk.

Visual effects included the texture of whatever I stared at to constantly change like someone were overlaying some photoshop motion blur effect each 2 frames. Music felt both fucking odd, yet amazing. It wasn't just like hearing the song for the first time.. it was like being exposed to music itself for the first time. Sitting in silence is a particularly eerie experience on DPH at the sub-delerious doses as it felt as though at any second something would pop up. At sub doses it usually never progresses more beyond unparalleled fear.

The times I've had true delerium from dph however are a whole nother ballpark.

800mgs taken 25 minutes before I got on the last bus home at 10:00PM resulted in:

My memory of ever getting off the bus completely missing; You know how dreams always start off mid-way through an event, you don't know or question why you're at a certain place doing something? I just appeared in a raaaaandom neighborhood with my 4 good mates behind me (we were all laughing and joking around, interacting for like 15 minutes), me stopping and asking if they wanted to get food, then their faces suddenly became blank, they vaporized, and the best response I could utter was a very low "hm." and seeing nothing wrong with this at all (you will not have the urge to speak on diph, doing so results in you saying completely off the walls shit to people, real AND imaginary)

Spiders. Multiplying. EVERYWHERE. Scuttling around on the sidewalk in circles. It got so bad I had to fucking run from a certain block because there were at least 1,000 spiders scuttling around (they looked like those soot ball things from Spirited Away).

I would hold my phone to my ear and talk to my mom for 30 minutes, who turned into my girlfriends voice, to my dad's voice, to my teachers voice... only to realized that my phone had no battery in it.

Usually you'll realize you're on dph sooner or late. And if you don't, you'll end up taking this all in as reality, which can lead to you questioning some of these hallucinations and getting your senses back briefly.

I wasn't so lucky. I twice actually came to the conclusion that I was lucid dreaming the entire time and fell very deeply into my delerium. And when this happens, they can become very complex.

I saw my friends parytying in a red sports car, drinking, passing a blunt, I kept knocking on the window for them to let me in, heard some black dude yell from his window across the street "YO GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY CAR", me responding "NAH MY FRIENDS ARE IN HERE", him appearing before my face with 3 Biggie Smalls looking fellas, him pointing a tiny gun at me, patting me down, staring me in the face, saying I can go... me looking back after taking a few steps, realize the car was a fire hydrant, the black dude was a bush, and the house across the street had only boarded up windows. With each hallucination you move further and further away from reality. I did not finally exit my delerious state until 8AM the next morning, only realizing that I was because I'd called my girlfriend, yelled at her for arguing with me for 30 minutes and running away from me in my neighborhood and that I'd be late for school (somehow I ended up back home despite being like 3 miles away) and how I looked for her for like an hour.. only for her to say "wtf are you talking about? I wasn't around your area, I was sleeping this whole time. And today's Sunday", when it hit me that I was just buggin' the whole time and I vaguely remembered something called "Benadryl" having SOMETHING to do with my being loopy.

The most fun thing to do when diph-tripping is to smack the people hallucinations and watch them actually back away from you while half their head is vaporized.. only to have them reappear next to you. That was an hour of fun :P

Ah, when you actually transition into the delerious stage, you will no longer feel heavy for some reason. Also, the hangover from diph feels like shit. For a good month or two after extensive use I felt like an emotionless zombie. And I feel that diph tolerance grows exponentially as I very rarely had hallucinations later on in my use, other than shit sliding across the wall.

Popping 25mg-125mg benadryl before bed results in very intriguing dreams, though they usually tend to be "everyday life" sort of dreams with a twist in my case. Mixing benadryl and melatonin (50:50, about 25mg-75mg each) 30 minutes before bed led in extreme dream recall and clarity. You'll be unable to ever achieve actually lucid dreams as you can sort of feel as diph's delerious tinge carries on over into the dreamscape as well.

For strictly music euphoric purposes I'd say low dose diph and weed make for an extraordinary combination. Any higher and it sounds very dysphoric (regardless whether it is bubblegum pop or not.) Ah, and more times than not you'll hallucinate completely new instruments and parts playing. Good for creative inspiration.

Last thing I'd like to divulge is to be prepared for your first symptoms of HPPD following use. Nothing more severe than visual static, objects sliding and textures changing. But be warned that it can linger for a long time and you may become a tad aggressive for weeks to come (ruined things with my girly bird for a bit there =| )

In all honesty it's not something I'd recommend one to do extensively, high doses in particular. It's intriguing to take on the perception of one who is inflicted with severe dementia or schizophrenia out of curiousity, but its more pleasant effects lay lower. I no longer touch the stuff except at the recommended dosage however. :P
 
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I did around 250mg one time to see what it was like. I was talking to people who weren't there, worst part was i had to go to church during it, but i think i went, walked home, and kept talking to people who weren't there and smoking/dropping imaginary cigarettes.
 
I did around 250mg one time to see what it was like. I was talking to people who weren't there, worst part was i had to go to church during it, but i think i went, walked home, and kept talking to people who weren't there and smoking/dropping imaginary cigarettes.
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At just 250 mgs? I didn't notice any sort of hallucinations on 300 mgs, but the next day I did question a lot of the shit that happened like convos online etc.
 
Are there any safer drugs that cause the same sort of delirious effects to allow you to see real life hallucinations like this? I recently read someone talking about one that was also a stimulant and generally more pleasant, but I can't remember what it was. These crazy hallucinations that are even responsive just sound way too interesting to not experience at least once, but if there is a better/safer drug for experiencing them I'm completely up for that as long as I can get my hands on it.

Strange how being tired often allows me to think more clearly, must be the years of sleep deprivation so I'm accustomed to thinking while tired. When I'm awake my mind feels blank and anxiety takes effect :-\
 
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Dude, don't take that shit. Afterward you will just say "Wow...what a waste of time."

Just drink a beer or two...that will be much better for you than that crap.

I'm telling you from my experience as I took that junk when I was bored...and datura. Not so fun, and definitely not worth it!

Not trying to be no buzz kill for you, I'm just lookin out for you. By no means, it will not send you to a hospital or nothing like that [large amounts of anything is bad for you].

Just don't do it.
 
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