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[National] Federal Election - 21st August 2010

sydkiwi said:
Why do I think the independents are probably going to go with the party that gets along with the Greens the best? Think about it, Liberals will have a bitch fight on their hands every time they want something passed in the senate wheres Labour usually has the Greens support (not all the time though but more than the liberals).. But then, that could be a good thing. Depends I guess on what they want and how much the independents want their own policies pushed through parliament and the senate..
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And something a friend said with regards to this [hung] election

A hung parliament doesn't mean that a minority government can't pass any new laws - it means it has to negotiate with the independents (and greens) as to what those laws are.

Any new laws will have to get past the Senate as well - where the greens hold the balance of power.

As for the lower house - we have one Green member in melbourne and one semi-green in Tasmania. As well as a very idiosyncratic bunch who are probably more likely to side with Labor than the Coalition.

Bob Katter is loathed by the Nationals (the feeling is reciprocated).
He said he would work with the Greens if there was a hung Parliament.
He says a privatised NBN will not work, saying "privatised Telstra has been absolutely disastrous for rural Australia."
His father was originally a Labor politician who switched to the (then) Country Party.

Tony Windsor is another ex-National Party member.
He believes strongly in the NBN and his views are quite "green" on climate change.

Rob Oakeshott is another ex-National Party member.
He names climate change as a top priority.
He says an emissions trading scheme should be a key policy of any government he will help form.

Andrew Wilkie is a former Young Liberal who ran for the Greens and sees health and education as critical.
He wants dental included in Medicare and is not keen on private health.

Tony Crook is a Nationals MP but has not committed to joining the Coalition.
He says he wants to be part of the cross-bench negotiations.

Oakeshott, Katter and Windsor are best described as "agrarian socialists" in the old-fashioned Country Party sense (the Country party was the precursor to the Nationals).

the other thing is that the Coalition has for a long time denigrated the independants and been personally insulting to them; whereas both Rudd and Gillard have taken pains to remain friendly with them - to the extent of visiting their electorates and making sure that the local members were included in infrastructure funding announcements etc.
 
wazza said:
the other thing is that the Coalition has for a long time denigrated the independants and been personally insulting to them; whereas both Rudd and Gillard have taken pains to remain friendly with them - to the extent of visiting their electorates and making sure that the local members were included in infrastructure funding announcements etc.
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Exactly. One of the independents was saying Gillard rung him early on election night to congratulate him on winning his seat. Abbott rang him at 1AM when he realised he'd have to start sucking dick if he wanted to be PM, and woke the guy up.
 
lostpunk5545 said:
I'm a little bit sick of hearing about the greens vote going to labor argument. If Liberal and the Nationals can form a coalition what's the problem with The Green Party sending on their votes to Labor. It's not an official coalition but it's playing the same fucking game essentially, right? I don't hear anyone bitching about any of the other parties preferencing towards liberal. Are they playing more fairly?
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Yeah I do agree to a certain point, but I don't. The Greens and Labor simply aren't an actual Coalition, plus in some seats, like my local seat, you can't actually vote Liberal (only National, Labor, Greens, Other), and the Greens are everywhere. So The Liberals being in a Coalition don't have any more power over the Labor party, its just all about seats.

On the situation at the moment, I beleive it could turn into a good outcome (which yesterday I would have said Labor & today I say it will be the Coalition to form government). But I am fairly against 3-4 independants overridding the Prime Minister, Treasurer, etc.

Things like Oakeshott's idea of a "mix-and-match" government with members changing sides will not happen. Doing that would be doing the opposite of creating a stable government, and just because we have ended up in a hung parliament, I don't think this should mean that people change the way things work. Two changes in the house of reps which I would fully support would be that there should be an independant speaker (not a biased speaker) to control the house alot better, and the length of time spent on answering questions need to be changed, because since Labor won in 2007, questions were very rarely ever answered by Rudd and he and a couple of others would spend up to 12 minutes crapping on about something which had nothing to do with the question in the first place.

I am predicting that we will be back to the polls within the next year, if not within the next few months, or even weeks if this doesn't work. I beleive another election should be held.
 
lostpunk5545 said:
Exactly. One of the independents was saying Gillard rung him early on election night to congratulate him on winning his seat. Abbott rang him at 1AM when he realised he'd have to start sucking dick if he wanted to be PM, and woke the guy up.
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Heheh, smooth.
 
lostpunk5545 said:
I thought they speculated they could get speeds of 100Mbps? That kicks the arse off ADSL2+
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The current cable speeds available here in melb match 100mbps. It's fucking amazing seeing downstream on the net like that.

It's only available in the closer to city areas where cable was laid during the 90s at present.
 
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I'm all for going to the polls again if the negotiations don't work out. And as you said whichever govenment is formed most likely wont be a strong and stable one, due to the seats. There is no doubt, whatever happens, that if you want a result out of this, then you should be hoping for a Coalition government. I could go into 100s of reasons why (for all of those protest Greens voters & Labor voters), but I can't even be bothered anymore. The reason why the Coatition has gained around 15 seats across the country, whereas Labor gaining 2 seats is simply because MORE PEOPLE VOTED LIBERAL AND MORE LIBERAL SEATS WERE WON, der (I hate the media spin on everything).

If we were to go back to the polls, then I don't beleive there would be a huge swing either way to what there is now, other than seats such as Bennalong, where Maxine expressed her outburst, and if the idependants do any damage to their reputation throught the negotians. Other than things like that, plus the judgement from everyone having to watch at least another 4 weeks of campaigning, then it would be very close again I beleive, but we would have an outcome.
 
I could go into hundreds of reasons why you are wrong. But I won't 'cause I don't want to think, just make outrageous statements.
 
Three more years of the bogan ranga.

Lets see if she can do better than the start of her tenure.... I'm picking no.
 
I don't particularly like Gillard but I sure as hell am happy about this result. Now, the pertinent question... what delightful beer do I feel like celebrating with? Coopers, Blue Tongue, or James Squire?
 
^ Squire fo shizzle :D

Hopefully the Liberal party can come up with someone better than Tony Abbott now.

But if I ever see Chris Pyne anywhere near any kind of power I'm going to punch many many babies.
 
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