lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
I'd like to see the liberal party deal with the economy now that there's nothing left of Telstra to sell.
-
-
AADD Moderators: Tronica
[National] Federal Election - 21st August 2010
- Thread starter cssss
- Start date
fivelinefury
Bluelighter
Exactly. Doing that is not a protest, its just a waste. Voting against the party who you don't want in is the only way. If Mark Latham wants to protest (or protest vote as he said), then he should be out dressed up in an elephant suit with all them other people who obviously have nothing better to do.
fivelinefury
Bluelighter
ayjay
Bluelighter
OK today's the day!
Remember - vote early, vote often
Remember - vote early, vote often
lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
Thanks Gillard, looks like you may have cunted the country!
lostNfound
Bluelight Crew
- Joined
- Mar 20, 2005
- Messages
- 13,675
Am very disappointed in Australian pollyticks right now, all our potential leaders suck right now.
Gillard orders stout when at the pub, Abbott order a light shandy. What is this?
After watching the panel on some channel, Peter Costello is a decent bloke IMO; unlike that Gillard or that girl Abbott.
Things will never be as they should.
How I wish I were a single convict.
Maybe I should go to Brumby's more often in the morning, I am tempted.
Gillard orders stout when at the pub, Abbott order a light shandy. What is this?
After watching the panel on some channel, Peter Costello is a decent bloke IMO; unlike that Gillard or that girl Abbott.
Things will never be as they should.
How I wish I were a single convict.
Maybe I should go to Brumby's more often in the morning, I am tempted.
fivelinefury
Bluelighter
Yep, spot on. And heads are going to roll in the Labor party by unions and the fact that they aren't a united, stable party.
The way I see it right at the moment is that we are most likely in a hung parliament, and with the Greens to now hold a seat in the house of representatives, I beleive in some form Bob Brown actually has more power than Prime Minister Gillard. There are 3-4 independants (one which was gained by defeating Labor in a seat) and I am pretty sure that 3 of these independants are Ex-Nationals. With that in mind and with the current state of the Labor party which has fallen to peices, I can only predict that it will be Tony Abbott successfully negotiating with the independants to form a government.
Sacred_cow
Bluelighter
Its really disappointing, I thought the Australian people would have learnt their lesson after the Howard years. Sometimes, the electorate never ceases to amaze me.....
Firstly, Australia's national debt is NOT out of control. Sometimes its necessary for the government of the day to actually spend money, i.e the stimulus package, infrastructure projects and the like. There really is nothing wrong with the government investing in the future by building and developing the things we need. Instead, assuming the Liberals manage to form a minority government, we can look forward to budget cuts in "wasteful" areas like health, education and welfare over the coming years.
Secondly, its still hard to believe that the asylum seeker issue resonates so strongly with the Australian public. The vast majority of the voting public seem to think that we have hoards of people swimming ashore, this simply isn't the case. Most asylum seekers arrive by plane, anyhow. Considering the number of illegal aliens in the US, and I'm not trying to compare the illegals to asylum seekers, American politicians must be amused at the hysterical nature of Australian voters.
There's a whole heap of issues that I could continue ranting about, but I think I'll just leave it for now. Its just that while Labor wasn't setting the world on fire, and they had been out of government for a while, the alternative is so much worse.
Firstly, Australia's national debt is NOT out of control. Sometimes its necessary for the government of the day to actually spend money, i.e the stimulus package, infrastructure projects and the like. There really is nothing wrong with the government investing in the future by building and developing the things we need. Instead, assuming the Liberals manage to form a minority government, we can look forward to budget cuts in "wasteful" areas like health, education and welfare over the coming years.
Secondly, its still hard to believe that the asylum seeker issue resonates so strongly with the Australian public. The vast majority of the voting public seem to think that we have hoards of people swimming ashore, this simply isn't the case. Most asylum seekers arrive by plane, anyhow. Considering the number of illegal aliens in the US, and I'm not trying to compare the illegals to asylum seekers, American politicians must be amused at the hysterical nature of Australian voters.
There's a whole heap of issues that I could continue ranting about, but I think I'll just leave it for now. Its just that while Labor wasn't setting the world on fire, and they had been out of government for a while, the alternative is so much worse.
ch0psy
Bluelight Crew
i wake up this morning, hoping to find a "leader" of this country, to find that we are hung...
i got jack of this last week when i was at the movies and during the previews i saw an ad for ALP... Well at least the ad's wont be on TV anymore.
Maybe they should just do what they do at the meat raffle down the club and do a "re-draw" to sort this shit out...
i got jack of this last week when i was at the movies and during the previews i saw an ad for ALP... Well at least the ad's wont be on TV anymore.
Maybe they should just do what they do at the meat raffle down the club and do a "re-draw" to sort this shit out...
Totally agree,well said.
Juvenile
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Sep 21, 2003
- Messages
- 647
Exactly. I don't understand why these people get upset about a tiny handful of asylum seekers when legal immigration runs at 250,000 people per year ffs. The legal ones are causing our population to rise to an unsustainable level, increasing housing competition/costs, job competition etc, not the few people that genuinely need help.
No only if you don't agree with their policies.
I beg to differ on this statement.
In my lower house seat I put:
Greens 1
Nationals 2
Liberal 3
Labour 4
Citizens electoral council 5
Family first 6
Christian demotwats 7
Simply ignore what the how to vote card preferences say and vote how you want!
Same with upper house, I voted below the line so I could have Sex party, secular parry and greens in 1,2,3.
fivelinefury
Bluelighter
^^Juvenile
I totally agree with you to vote for the Greens if you are all for their policies, and I do agree with some of their policies. But I just meant by saying "a waste of time" is that they aren't a major party and beleive they do have alot of unrealistic policies that wouldn't happen anyway.
And when I meantioned the Labor party gaining a majority of Greens preferences I meant that in each seat in the country, how ever many votes were Green, 80 percent of them added to the Labor votes in each seat. So if Labor didn't have 80 percent of Green votes flowing to them, then it would have been a complete different situation with the Coalition now in power, since all the marginal seats were so close.
I totally agree with you to vote for the Greens if you are all for their policies, and I do agree with some of their policies. But I just meant by saying "a waste of time" is that they aren't a major party and beleive they do have alot of unrealistic policies that wouldn't happen anyway.
And when I meantioned the Labor party gaining a majority of Greens preferences I meant that in each seat in the country, how ever many votes were Green, 80 percent of them added to the Labor votes in each seat. So if Labor didn't have 80 percent of Green votes flowing to them, then it would have been a complete different situation with the Coalition now in power, since all the marginal seats were so close.
lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
undefined
lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
I'm a little bit sick of hearing about the greens vote going to labor argument. If Liberal and the Nationals can form a coalition what's the problem with The Green Party sending on their votes to Labor. It's not an official coalition but it's playing the same fucking game essentially, right? I don't hear anyone bitching about any of the other parties preferencing towards liberal. Are they playing more fairly?
Also what you neglect to realise is that in the absence of a preferential system most of the votes that went to the greens would have went to Labor. The preferential system is great because it gives the minor parties a chance to be part of the political climate. Did I vote Labor? No. Would I have in the absence of preferential voting? Fuck yes. For the same reason if I lived in the States I would be shit scared to vote anything other than Democrat.
So the primary vote argument is irrelevant. In a one vote one party system most of those Green votes would have went to Labor anyway.
Also what you neglect to realise is that in the absence of a preferential system most of the votes that went to the greens would have went to Labor. The preferential system is great because it gives the minor parties a chance to be part of the political climate. Did I vote Labor? No. Would I have in the absence of preferential voting? Fuck yes. For the same reason if I lived in the States I would be shit scared to vote anything other than Democrat.
So the primary vote argument is irrelevant. In a one vote one party system most of those Green votes would have went to Labor anyway.
Busty St Clare
Ex-Bluelighter
A liberal government with the Greens balancing out the extreme right in the senate is the best result that I can see. If it wasn't for Abbotts mad monk persona I would be happier still. So much for keeping religion out of politics. Labor has alway's tried to advertise it's self as the little peoples party when it is now plain for even the lay person that back room politics runs it more than ever. For me that is just as bad as a church group pulling the strings. How an otherwise intelligent minister like Penny Wong be forced to denounce an issue such as gay marriage all for party politics is shameful. Fearless leadership would embrace all ideas withn a party for the common good of healthy debate.
How Labor managed to lose that election after such a landslide last time is amazing. Perhaps if they had decided to govern (ie, make hard, unpopular decisions for the good of the country) rather than back flip and renege on previous promises they should have strolled in. Perhaps it is because this time nothing rhymed with 2010?
Bob Katter for all his country bumpkin background is someone who does put his constituates first. We will have to accept some pork barrelling but I don't see the country completely grinding to a halt with a minority government. Maybe for the first time debate and compromise might be possible.
How Labor managed to lose that election after such a landslide last time is amazing. Perhaps if they had decided to govern (ie, make hard, unpopular decisions for the good of the country) rather than back flip and renege on previous promises they should have strolled in. Perhaps it is because this time nothing rhymed with 2010?
Bob Katter for all his country bumpkin background is someone who does put his constituates first. We will have to accept some pork barrelling but I don't see the country completely grinding to a halt with a minority government. Maybe for the first time debate and compromise might be possible.
I can see this county grinding to a halt (politically wise) due to the minority government scenario. They won't put much if anything "risky" so as they can try to get a majority liking them in the polls and then call another election ASAP when they feel "safe" of winning. There probably won't be much debate and compromise due to not that many things will be tried to be passed, well the stuff considered to be 'risky' for any disapproval.
ayjay
Bluelighter
^it was risk-averse strategy (from both Lab and Lib/Nat) that got us to where we are now - surely if any party actually wants to win they need to differentiate themselves from the others? Of course that depends if logic actually has any bearing on decision making...