MDPV - So how dangerous is it?

[kken]

Im wondering how many of these stories actually happenend?

Ive seen people rob a store while on mdpv.. theyve lose the connection with reality and with continued use you can achieve permanent/chronic stimulant psychosis

 

[General alcazar]

There is a strong moron factor involved in that kind of behavior, not to mention these people are likely criminals in the first place and using a drug as an excuse.
I am guessing most people use MDPV responsibly at low doses. It's all these mephedrone yahoos who are bent on killing themselves and smearing the substances they do it with at the same time who are causing the problem. Cutting something like MDPV loose on the general public without a prerequisite requirement of an education and effort to find a source is the kiss of death both for many naive / stupid end users and the drugs themselves. The RC community has so far protected itself by the difficulty in acquiring these chemicals, but now that's out the window.
At appropriate doses and frequency of use, MDPV is virtually harmless. The users are what is harmful. Sure it causes psychosis past a certain dose, but most of us know this and do not take ridiculously high doses.

 

[kken]

I totally agree with you. MDPV is now illegal where i live due to morons using it wrong and even killing them selfs

ps:
The guy that robbed the shop was a good friend of mine who has NEVER done anything illegal before if you dont count RC chems. He just totally lost any kind of critical thinking and lived in his own litle world for a day, but i guess thats true for most psychosis

 

[j00lz]

I have little experience with stimulants other than MDPV and PEAs, but I was surprised at how quickly a psychotic state can be reached with MDPV.

Having said this I have abused the crap out of it (doing over a gram a day - smoked - towards the end of a recent bender) and fully recovered. So it is quite forgiving.

I think its biggest danger are the fact that it is cheap and comes in quantities that are usually enough to put an entire convent into orbit for a few days. Coupled with the stupidity and ignorance of many users.

 

[fastandbulbous]

In a way, without wanting to sound a tad elitist, that's the difference between drugs that have originated by people interested in their pharmacology (like MDPV) and ones that come from greedy vendors - MdPv was chosen from all the pyrovalerone derivatives because it was the least toxic (I mean if you could have used any other group other than the heavily watched 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl, wouldn't you). I doubt toxicity issues even entered into the head of the greedy vendors who brought mephedrone to public prominance, just 'shylock black, how much is it worthness' (a wonderful quote from the film 'Sir Henry at Rawlinson End' to describe all aspects of avarice)

I think its biggest danger are the fact that it is cheap and comes in quantities that are usually enough to put an entire convent into orbit for a few days. Coupled with the stupidity and ignorance of many users.

So does LSD etc if you know the right people, but they're used a bit more responsibly because only legal drugs are safe! 8). I could scream every time I've seen someone allude to that 'fact'. When will people understand that the legal status of a drug generally has fuck all to do with it's safety profile prime example being alcohol vs cannabis

 

[nopipesdfw]

How could that girl do that much? I mean honestly MDPV gives you clear signs of when it's time to stop, I could really abuse myself to death with stuff like M1, but with MDPV, hell no, you do a bit too much and you really know it.

I have a decent tolerance to PV and I will start throwing up and getting really gross sides within 10-20 mins if I take (insuff) too much. I have no clue how somebody would ingest two grams without noticing something was up.

EDIT: I'm not a lightweight in general, though. High doses of MDMA, amphetamine, or psychs are never telling me to stop.

 

[General alcazar]

I still think that people taking increments of >100 mg are likely using cut product. I couldn't fathom taking a gram. If I overshoot my threshold, I get severe anxiety and other unpleasant side effects which go away pretty quickly if I stop. If you look at high dose reports, many get their supply from "dealers" rather than chemical suppliers. Who knows what the fuck they are ingesting!

 

[dread]

The highest dose I've taken of pure MDPV was a bit over 50mg IV, but back then I had crazy tolerance...

And I agree... whoever does 100mg (or more) IV doses is not getting the pure product...

 

[ektamine]

I don't like the way it makes me feel the day after... like my brain has had a jagged square or saw synth lead put through it... when it likes nice smooth, analogue sine waves.

Having said, I have seen people do some deeper inner work with it... (myself included)... but I doubt I will ever do it again.

I think it is dangerous in that it is VERY addictive... moreso than anything else I know of. People who have managed to run the gauntlet of every other drug and not get addicted are having real difficulty with this stuff... and for very little benefit it seems to me.

True statements.. I have experienced my first "real" substance addiction with this tricky compound. I believe the key to this one here is self-control, which I have managed to exercise with just about every other drug I have tried. What I mean by "real substance addiction" is that never before has my rational brain had to put up such a fight against my addicted brain. I have thoroughly trialed many substances, including other stimulants deemed very addictive (methamphetamine, amphetamine, MDMA, cocaine, to name a few), but never experienced such instant addiction as with MDPV. Half the time I redose I'm not even sure of why I am doing it.

A few factors to plug in, though..
1) I've never come across a stimulant so insanely-dirt-cheap. Its
2) I've never had a significantly IV-based relationship with a stimulant before.

That being said, I'm still completely baffled by MDPV's compulsive addiction properties. Really now, like what the hell, by the 2nd or 3rd day in a binge I'll usually have developed a state of temporary psychosis, bouncing between "THE COPS ARE HERE!!" to "EVERYONE WANTS TO KILL MEEE!", yet compulsion often triumphs the rational brain and I find myself sneaking away to take another shot / smoke more / do a line.

I suppose if meth cost 25cents to 50cents a dose I would have probably have had issues with it, as well.

 

[junglist15]

True statements.. I have experienced my first "real" substance addiction with this tricky compound. I believe the key to this one here is self-control, which I have managed to exercise with just about every other drug I have tried. What I mean by "real substance addiction" is that never before has my rational brain had to put up such a fight against my addicted brain. I have thoroughly trialed many substances, including other stimulants deemed very addictive (methamphetamine, amphetamine, MDMA, cocaine, to name a few), but never experienced such instant addiction as with MDPV. Half the time I redose I'm not even sure of why I am doing it.

A few factors to plug in, though..
1) I've never come across a stimulant so insanely-dirt-cheap. Its
2) I've never had a significantly IV-based relationship with a stimulant before.

That being said, I'm still completely baffled by MDPV's compulsive addiction properties. Really now, like what the hell, by the 2nd or 3rd day in a binge I'll usually have developed a state of temporary psychosis, bouncing between "THE COPS ARE HERE!!" to "EVERYONE WANTS TO KILL MEEE!", yet compulsion often triumphs the rational brain and I find myself sneaking away to take another shot / smoke more / do a line.

I suppose if meth cost 25cents to 50cents a dose I would have probably have had issues with it, as well.

I to have had some strange times with this stim..after a 3-4 day binge I litterly lost my mind for like a week. Dilusions of the worst paranoia...standing spaced out for hours legs cramping up, not really realizing you are doing it. Bad bad bad...but good at the same time....idk it's weird. I am happy to have my mind back though!

 

[Ne0]

I to have had some strange times with this stim..after a 3-4 day binge I litterly lost my mind for like a week. Dilusions of the worst paranoia...standing spaced out for hours legs cramping up, not really realizing you are doing it. Bad bad bad...but good at the same time....idk it's weird. I am happy to have my mind back though!

Yeah. Strange I do MDPV only very rarely, only every 6 month, as I start to binge with it for a week and in the middle of week I'm already psychotic that I don't even notice or understand it myself. Never got problems with amphetamine. Crazy stuff.

 

[potholio]

I still think that people taking increments of >100 mg are likely using cut product. I couldn't fathom taking a gram. If I overshoot my threshold, I get severe anxiety and other unpleasant side effects which go away pretty quickly if I stop.

While I totally agree, I will say this, with the price of MDPV compared to the price of meth or cocaine, I can see somebody assuming that it must be cheap b/c its readily available and "legal" and way overdoing it. When I was around cocaine more often, I'd see people with (very) serious habits doing 1/4 to 1/3 g rails to star the night off. With an RC as powdery and compact as MDPV, a gram on a mirror doesn't look like much of anything at all. Hell without a scale you'd think you'd been robbed if you aren't familiar with it.

Sadly I fear that there are a lot of MDPV users who are the same people who have tried the other herbal snuff stimulants, especially those living in the UK - I see that sort of herbal powder crap on a lot of UK headshop websites for around the same price as MDPV.... I mean... I can see people going overboard easy.

 

[Choronzon333]

has anyone noticed any memory drop off with mdpv? When i do it frequently for short periods, say once or twice a day 10mg a couple days in a week, it seems like my memory is slowed. ANyone else get this?

 

[cj]

^^^
Dopamine depletion perhaps? I advise a month break

 

[tamtoot]

I have never expierenced more terrible psychotic episodes on any stimulants than on a mdpv, even simple alpha-pyroolidinopropiophenone is milder on this, cause you cannot really overdo it(it is harder on body). MDPV binges is evil, really, last time i got my 1 gram baggie, and disappearede for 2,5 days from society - doesn't even knowing that 2 days are gone.
That is very strange thing about this stimulant. I once expierenced very strong psychosis after bingeing for three days on amphetamine while on 40 mg/day fluoxetine, it was pretty similar to mdpv psychosis - you can't realise that you're psychotic - just making stupid shit.

 

[General alcazar]

but what's even stranger is that for me it is a functional psychosis. Maybe its from being an old school speed freak (i mean, an old speed freak with lots of binging experience). I can see people peeking at me around every corner and whispering about me behind my door and completely ignore it. It does seem to drive one mad much faster than any other stim. Its so tempting to indulge and yet so mind wrecking at the same time.
As a cross post, I've consistently experienced severe, short waves of nausea after about 24 hours of having stopped a PV binge of 1-3 days. The one consistent factor is the PV, which due to tolerance was consumed in ridiculous amounts....I'm surprised that's the only negative consequence.
For me memory loss resolves after i stop using the stuff.

 

[mdpvTarBaby]

I'm stunned by the addictiveness of MDPV, particularly as its only effect is to transform me into a compulsive organizer/cleaner. Then after 3 or 4 sleepless nights I'm so worn down that I enter a sort of waking dream state, dissociated, paranoid, exuding a foul chemical stench, hearing indistinct voices, and jumping out of my skin at the slightest noise. Thankfully I'm pretty well grounded and simply bumble off to bed in a state of halved IQ, dimming vision, and poor balance, mostly ignoring the phantom voices and other noises that surely mean THEY have come for me. Blackout periods are common. Piss is dark yellow and reeks. Sounds like a great drug, eh?

I bought the stuff with the intention of ingesting 5mg/day or so for a boost in energy and motivation/reward, but ingesting only caused rapid heart rate and nagging anxiety. So I snorted some and immediately began binging/crashing, up 5 days, sleep 3 days, little food, until I realized I'd lost 35 lbs. over the last 4-5 weeks, and have this fucking nasty chemical habit. I've abstained for over a week and even then I just can't move, have no energy, zero motivation or goals, have constant anxious depression(more than usual), and feel like I've been hijacked by an alien parasite.

I'm looking online for some Adderall or diet pills to crowbar myself off this evil stinking shit. The kicker - absolutely no euphoria from MDPV, just robotic compulsive activity. I should add that most drugs don't work for me. Tried meph and metholone and got no mood lift, just stim.

Shit, I need more calories, gotta force down another PB&J sandwich. Might need medical help with this one: worse than opium, alcohol or coke.

must clean and organize.
must inhale more fuel.
stay awake 5 days and accomplish nothing.
get stupider and more robotic.
assimilate into the collective.
anxious depression increasing: inhale fuel!

 

[naginnudej]

TarBaby, sounds like it's time to flush your peevee. It's for the best.

 

[dread]

The audio hallucinations from MDPV are something incredible. I've been in deeply psychotic states from amp & meth but they've never produced such vivid & clear audio hallucinations as PV does.

Last time I did PV (many many months ago) I remember distinctly, I would be doing whatever and suddenly I hear it clearly: like someone would be right behind me uttering a single word, which is always a single word, and totally random and not related to anything I'm thinking or seeing... They always came out of nowhere and seriously freaked me out.

Like, I was going to the balcony to have a smoke, and suddenly I hear someone say "KETCHUP".

On the other hand, they were also a handy indicator - when you start hearing those you will know it is time to sleep, if you have any sense left in your stimulant-riddled brain...

Although, I don't do stimulants anymore but I have to say, whoever claims to not get euphoria from MDPV is not doing it right. IV PV gives a rush that is only rivaled by IV cocaine.

 

[Arrrrrrrrr]

Although, I don't do stimulants anymore but I have to say, whoever claims to not get euphoria from MDPV is not doing it right. IV PV gives a rush that is only rivaled by IV cocaine.

Smoking MDPV gives an amazing euphoric rush for me, nasal administration too but no where near as strong. The slight burn feels great . I'm deathly afraid of needles but I can only imagine the kind of pleasure it must give .

The most alarming thing about this substance is the constant urge to redose. I got a gram about 18 hours ago and have dosed many times (nasal 2-3mg, smoked 1-2mg weighed w/jewelers scale) and there's still the feeling that I want to do more. I can definitely see how this could get out of hand. I don't see how people can do 10 or 20mg doses right from the get go. However, my reaction to stimulants tends to be out of the ordinary.

This is an amazingly strong stimulant that even though you don't necessarily feel high you are indeed very (extremely?) high. Peripheral stimulation is at a minimum my outstretched hands shake no more than normal, pupils aren't effected, heart rate is at 87bpm (50-60bpm sober). Bruxism is very strong for me though but that is the same with any other stimulant I've tried including caffeine. There's an erotic aspect but no more than what comes with d-amp or meth (no tiny shrivelled pecker though).

This would be a wonder drug for work (I work in retail sales) where I'm forced to be 1000%, almost a caricature of myself, all day if only heavy (every hour with previously stated dosages) redosing wasn't such an appealing option.