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MDPV - So how dangerous is it?

daddysgone said:
ewwww. why risk it man? Think about the possible risk vs. reward. No one really knows enough about this substance yet to make any definitive statements about its safety. Until more is known, if you are ok with experimenting with a an unknown and potentially toxic substance, at least try to avoid things that add to the risk. What I mean by this, is that if vaping this stuff creates an odd goey substance, you probably should avoid this route of administration.-DG
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relating to that maybe someone whos tad more advanced than me could find out. Many people here on BL and all over the world is smoking/vapoing this stuff.

The light orange stuff is "most of the" the active chemical once the salt form has turned into liquid under heavy heat, it has very sharp taste. the very gooish stuff seems to undergo pyrolysis hence why the by product tastes bad (even tobacco smoke tastes bad to me). making it very important its vaporized in correct temperature i guess?

there might be some active chemicals in the gooish stuff but that definitely stops me from vapoing it anymore unless i can find proper temperature where the gooish stuff doesnt appear (probably not).


Can any guesses be made by its chemical structure what some of the byproducts are when speaking in terms of BURNING peevee
 
So i have a question. Why does mdpv make my pupils dilate like acid or mdma? What about drugs will cause that? The dialation wouldn't indicate the presence of sert activity would it? I don't want it frying my brain like mdma.
 
Choronzon333 said:
So i have a question. Why does mdpv make my pupils dilate like acid or mdma? What about drugs will cause that? The dialation wouldn't indicate the presence of sert activity would it? I don't want it frying my brain like mdma.
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AFAIK, the exact reason for pupil dilation from certain drugs is unknown.
 
How closely can MDPV be compared to methylphenidate, especially towards acetylcholine ummm.. business.

The cramping, pain, extreme inhibition of movement and spaciness on the comedown of mdpv is bad. Especially the labored heart and low blood pressure..
 
MDPV generally makes me very twitchy/ticky, and restless.

Also once it has worn off enough for me to get to sleep, last time i tried to sleep after MDPV i got these horrible electric shock type sensations that were just pure fear and adrenaline, that stopped me from falling asleep. Scared the hell out of me :\
 
Im pretty sure this thing has messed with my kidneys. At least I'm not thirsty or peepee all the time, so it might be benign.

Note that this is from reckless usage taking like 50 hits a day. Went through 3 grams in 3 months. What was funny is that it sometimes felt so damn good to go to sleep after a small hit. I still remember that awesome vivid dream I got.
 
Jazar said:
"I find it more addictive than heroine and mephedrone. Never tried meth so don't know.

"I'd say it was considerably less addictive than mephedrone"

mephedrone is in fashion now so it is more commonly used. I used to think it was my strongest addiction (before I'd tried mdpv) but after indulging myself until satiety regularly, I have found less of a compulsion to use it. I'm disillusioned with it actually. It's not as great as I thought it was. It's just another party drug. Sometimes I use it socially but am inclined to turn it down unless to do so would be unfashionable.

mdpv is the most addictive thing in existence and it tires out your heart.
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Meh you aint done much smack then to come out with the above statment, mdpv imo is at best as good as old 80,s wizz n even thats pushing it tbh!

And having been stupid enough over the years to play with most addictions out there, the only thing i found harder than smack to quit was ghb.

nothing comes close to the first weeks of giving up ghb from my experiance.
 
Smack isn't as psychologically addictive as quite a few drugs (mostly CNS stimulants). What makes smack a bastard is te physical re-enforcement that comes with stopping. In shoert people addicted to meph crave more to regain that state, with smack it's not so much a craving to be high as much as it is to avoid w/d
 
BomShiva said:
Meh you aint done much smack then to come out with the above statment, mdpv imo is at best as good as old 80,s wizz n even thats pushing it tbh!

And having been stupid enough over the years to play with most addictions out there, the only thing i found harder than smack to quit was ghb.

nothing comes close to the first weeks of giving up ghb from my experiance.
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Didn't find it hard to stop GHB or even benzos in any other means than physically. Also don't find MDPV that addicting, it is compulsive only as long you continue taking it, so after the effects and "comedown" is past there is no desire to take more.
 
Ne0 said:
Didn't find it hard to stop GHB or even benzos in any other means than physically. Also don't find MDPV that addicting, it is compulsive only as long you continue taking it, so after the effects and "comedown" is past there is no desire to take more.
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And yet how many times did you take it after your first experience?
 
CuriousNose said:
And yet how many times did you take it after your first experience?
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You mean MDPV? I think I've done about 1g of it. It was quite nice until it started fuck my mind, after that I have not had even slightest urge to take it again.
 
Quitting a 9 year daily GBL habit for me was not a bi deal (just ran out!) but I was dosing once a night, not all the time. Quitting valium where I was dosing all the time for 9 months damn near killed me and was worse than any withdrawal I have ever undergone (heroin included).
MDPV just has not been compulsive for me at all. I can put it down and use it when I feel like it. It just doesn't have much of a high and dosing over 15 mg causes too many peripheral side effects for me.
What I have liked to do is combine it with a tryptamine. This makes it much more pleasurable. I've used this stuff off and on since it first appeared on the market about 5 years ago (at least the first time I was able to find it) and have not had any major problems, nor have I ever missed a night's sleep because of it. I have had meth and coke habits in the past and find MDPV has far less of a drive to redose since the actual euphoria is so much less than those. I think its main beneficial effect is as a stimulant and as an aphrodisiac.
 
dread said:
I never had any paranoia from MDPV. Quite the opposite.
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I think a lot of people forget that MDPV is active at extremely small doses, I keep on hearing people complain about paranoia, chest pains, racing heart and many other issues but all completely lacked of respect for the drug, by railing big lines, by dabbing with their finger, by redosing over and over, etc.

For me in small therapeutic doses MDPV is the most benign stimulant I've come across, a single small oral dose in the morning gets me productive, focused and makes my daily tasks much easier.

With small oral doses I also never feel the urge to redose, for it's simply not a recreational drug, if I want to get a buzz I do other stuff.
 
In town not far from mine the meph dealers started selling MDPV with no information on the dose.
This resulted in a few of my mates doing 500-2000mg over the course of less than 24 hours. The girl who did 2000mg over 24 hours collapsed at home hours after and now has what her doctor thinks is permanent vasoconstriction and mild skin sclerosis. Others had horrific paranoia and could hear voices, most said they were having full blown hallucinations.

These dealers then moved on to cutting it with what they claimed was "MD**Z" (the middle two letters had been forgotten by the person who told me) and selling it for a tenner a gram. A 20mg sniff of this and my nose was bleeding, stupid of me to even try it in the first place tbh.
 
hx_ said:
In town not far from mine the meph dealers started selling MDPV with no information on the dose.
This resulted in a few of my mates doing 500-2000mg over the course of less than 24 hours. The girl who did 2000mg over 24 hours collapsed at home hours after and now has what her doctor thinks is permanent vasoconstriction and mild skin sclerosis. Others had horrific paranoia and could hear voices, most said they were having full blown hallucinations.

These dealers then moved on to cutting it with what they claimed was "MD**Z" (the middle two letters had been forgotten by the person who told me) and selling it for a tenner a gram. A 20mg sniff of this and my nose was bleeding, stupid of me to even try it in the first place tbh.
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How could that girl do that much? I mean honestly MDPV gives you clear signs of when it's time to stop, I could really abuse myself to death with stuff like M1, but with MDPV, hell no, you do a bit too much and you really know it.
 
The girl who did 2000mg over 24 hours collapsed at home hours after and now has what her doctor thinks is permanent vasoconstriction and mild skin sclerosis.
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2000mg of a drug that's active at 5mg is 400x the active dose. Try that with any other stimulant and you'd be dead eg 2000mg of pure dexamphetamine would be fatal. Still gets my vote as the most benign stimulant I've ever encountered

The other part of that post points towards why peevee was recently scheduled in the UK - stupid dealers getting access to potent drugs they know fuck all about
 
stupid dealers getting access to potent drugs they know fuck all about
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Q F T.

MDPV has caused a real shitstorm around here. Stupid tweakers are doing it like it was speed (after stupid dealers have sold it to them as speed or speed substitute)... then they go all psychotic and shit. There was this case where 2 speed junkies had tortured and dissected a 3rd guy because they thought he had stolen their PV dose... which later turned out not to be the case (the stealing I mean... they were just being paranoid).

Oh and you can just imagine how the media just eats that up. We have another 'killer drug' again...
 
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