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Cocodamol - The drug of the credit crunch? plus other codeine/dihydrocodeine queries

Rarely post, but am an occasional fan of a good CWE - apologies if this has been covered before, but I've been told that Melitta brand coffee filters are NOT to be trusted. It REALLY isn't hard to get hold of lab filters - and it's worth it, for the peace of mind and liver. Also, if using antihistamines to potentiate/deal with itches, promethazine (sominex/phenergan), taken 30-60 mins AFTER the codeine is much better all around than diphenhydramine. 25mgs is generally enough.

But to be honest, I've almost given up on CWE's since getting involved with an American girlfriend and learning the beauty of hydrocodone (vicodin) and oxy...

The US health care system's a joke if you're sick...but if you're looking to get high and have $$$, different story!

Down to my last 3 Vics tonight...and down the hatch they go!
 
this reminds me that my wife was prescribed with stack lods of cocodomol dring and after her gallstones episode last year. we have a collection of about 300 pills downstair!!

Its the codeine that knocks you out - the rest is paracetamol
 
What a brilliant idea it was to make codeine products available OTC but then adulterate them with hepatoxic rubbish in order to 'deter abuse'!

As usual, the logic isn't so much flawed as non-existent - anyone who knows what codeine is actually about (and is determined enough to get high) will be able to find out how to do a CWE, whereas the likes of the stereotypical Solpadeine housewife will be bissfully unaware of the damage they're doing to themselves with all this paracetamol. Not to mention the chronic pain patients (the kind who would never knowingly take a recreational drug) who get fobbed off with 30/500 Co-codamol, eventually building frightening tolerance and consequently wrecking their livers.

Good old British common sense, eh? Harm reduction at its finest.
 
Thankfully my Granddad (who's recently been diagnosed with lung cancer) was given Morphine tablets and an oral solution so he's not in pain and is able to sleep at night :)
Really glad as I didn't want him to be in pain constantly.
 
Did a whole strip (coffee filtered) of 30/500 recently and got nothing but arm/leg ache.

320mg I think was the strip dosage...

Too high a dosage... or too low?
 
I'd guess just a too high expectation, codeine is not a drug to expect recreation equating that of most other opiates.
Though it's great for just relaxing once in a while.
 
The more you do it the more you get out of it - it is a learned, subtle high.
 
~I'd be careful with the frequency of doing CWE. Been 2 hospital three times, other drug related incidents. Seen doctors, pychiatrists, in fact i've been diagnosed with minor liver and kidney damage . I damage I was doing it 3 times a week so only my fault to blame...now I just got the stroke to deal with after my heroin adventure. Good luck
 
Paracetamol isn't good - yeh, very good point Hector. Much preferable to get your hands on codeine or something like DHC - the less you CWE the better in my opinion.

Best wishes Hector <3
 
hector, you're only 26 and got a stroke and you're trying to kick the smack? what underlying problems do you have?
Half the people round here using have been on it for 26 (or 35) years, never mind 26 years old. Since the days of Dr.Marks and his no questions asked diamorphine script for all junkies on merseyside... You must have other health problems already to get a stroke that young.
 
Been using drugs primarily for over 6, i'll do anything but my drug of choice is opiates. The heroin was for first time 3 bags over a night. I do suffer from mental health issues and for a long time drugs helped with that, i'minsane and still am. Still using drugs which I know is the worst thing I could do for myself but I can't do it myself and believe me i've tried. I want out while i'm still young:\
 
Found out that its time to stop giving people my drugs as I run out at the wrong time. Co-codamol is looking like a thing to have on Thurs onwards, despite being prescribed codeine for life. Never used the " my prescription drugs were stolen off me" before despite sometimes it being an honest fact, as it screams drug-seeker, and am thinking that for the only time in my life it may have to happen.
I've been watching 3 people around me dissolve into brown over the course of the year and I refuse to be addicted to something that I cannot pay for. I will not steal bikes or whatever, yet it now seems the thing to do for certain people around me.
I don't even think smoked brown is that good.
Its the pods that have me. And my plan of reduction has failed twice due to the postal service. I need to get x amount and make sure that I can cover my reduction properly.
 
Hey guys I have some dextropropoxyphene pills which feel like they could be pretty nice at a higher dose but the problem is they are combined with Paracetamol. (400/27mgs)

Would a CWE extraction work ?
 
Hmmm... I wondered this myself many moons ago when Co-prox were more readily available.

As I understand it, the stuff's a lot more dangerous than codeine / DHC with regard to overdose. For that reason (to say nothing of its lack of recreational potential vs. other opioids)I was wary of messing with it, and still am.
 
Bearlove said:
Hey guys I have some dextropropoxyphene pills which feel like they could be pretty nice at a higher dose but the problem is they are combined with Paracetamol. (400/27mgs)

Would a CWE extraction work ?
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no, they've been taken off the market for a reason, dextropropoxyphene is dangerous as fuck at higher doses even without the paracetamol!
 
^Even at 54mgs it has a strange effect so god only knows what would happen if you took too much of it.

Cheers Evad :)
 
Dhc

What dose should i take when 210mg only mildy effects me? I've asked before but unsure about the dosage? Also does weed, alcohol or benzos mixed with them make them stronger or would it cause respiritory faliure?
 
Got tolerance to opioids/GABAergics, etc?

Smoking the herb isn't likely to do any damage, although I have noticed respiratory depression after indulging in large quantities of both drugs.

DHC I am familiar with alright, I get prescribed it, 4x30mg/day, it does cause some respiratory depression, like most opioids, but not unusually so.

It is more potent than codeine by weight by around 2 fold, and a bit, but oddly, at least to me, codeine itself seems to cause much more euphoria and histaminergic effects than does DHC, I would have to take more codeine, but the euphoria would be more pronounced in say, half a gram of codeine freebase in a drink (tastes hideous mind you, and I am somewhat opioid tolerant) than I would off 300mg DHC base, which in theory would be equal roughly to 650-ish milligrams of codeine (mind you codeine acts strictly as a prodrug for practical intents and purposes, the metabolism of dihydrocodeine is somewhat different in that respect and it is not 100% prodrug)

300mg DHC plus the diazzies sounds good, might want to see how you react to that first before adding alcohol, and once it has taken full effect, then start slowly drinking, and allow for it to take effect before drinking much more.

Smoke away though, shouldn't be a worry, certainly not at 300mg.

Some antihistamines might be useful to keep on hand, drowsy ones potentiate opioids, promethazine in particular is often used, although it does have some dopamine antagonist activity, but compared to the related phenothiazine antipsychotics, it is piss weak, and if you feel it kills your euphoria in any way, and I doubt it will, a minute dose of a stimulant would offset that, it helps with nausea too, which some opioid users get, newb or not.

I have noticed though that in the case of codeine, it blocks the effects considerably if taken beforehand, or it certainly seems to, promethazine is a cytochrome-P450-2D6 inhibitor, and substrate.

So whilst DHC is not strictly a prodrug to dihydromorphine (IIRC it forms a nor-derivative which is the significant intoxicant, as well as some DHM) it would be advisable to allow the DHC to kick in fully first (give it 35-40 minutes or so) then take the promethazine, if you use it. Same goes for plenty of other antihistamines, which are often metabolised mainly or partially by CYP-P450-2D6.
 
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