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Tapering off of poppy pods

Oh noo... you had a home garden? (was responding to hamclamp is appears hemp snuck a post in before me lol) Wow does that take a lot of will power to mow that stuff down. I would have been pushing the mower and crying at the same time.

Growing was one of those things where I just wanted to get a massive deserted field and do it one time, hoping to have like 5-6 months of free pods. But I imagine what would have happened after I ran out.. I'd wind up spending 10xs the amount online just to support my new habit.
Still though, good going killing the garden. I do kinda think I might have prefered to use my own shit like you said, but if you had a huge garden with a lot, that could have turned into a problem with double and triple dipping for more pods.

The pods now and days are a fucking joke. The ones I got last time from a main female supplier were the weakest, shittiest quality pods I ever took. They seem to have barely any morphine in them at all as I noticed when I made the transition I went into pretty serious wds. The pods I use to get were definitely better, but now THAT seller is ripping everyone off. I told him about 3 weeks ago hes a piece of shit and if he rips anyone else off I'm taking his credit card vendors out by threatening repeat chargebacks on multiple accounts. I'm sure his vendors should shut him down for that.
He never wrote back cause I think he knew not to see if I was being serious or not, but its so different now to just a couple years back. There was private email sellers who sold the freshest, moisest, most purple arizonas youd ever see. I remember I could take like 5-6 of her pods (went under the name "Red Queen" - thats not sourcing btw shes out of business now) and it would have the more effects then the 10-15 pods I had to take for years at my other seller. Her pods were like little stuffed morphine balls, just loaded with the good stuff.

I'm not sure why I'm mentioning this you just mentioned growing and these were those private gardeners with 30 years experience who grew small gardens out in the midwest and sold high quality pods for cheap around the entire US. They weren't the overcommercialized sellers you see now selling pods that swell peoples ankles up. Its just crazy how things have changed over the years. I can't honestly see the pods business lasting forever with all the crap that goes on behind the scenes. For all you know they could be spraying that shit with homemade insecticides.. scary to think about.
 
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Yeah I think I know who you're talking about that started burning customers, "thank you kindly"... I sent him a nastygram too and like the coward that he is he didn't respond. I did a chargeback on his sorry ass. I own a couple retail stores so I know all about the merchant end of things. Needless to say I'll be getting my money back and he'll be losing his merchant account if he hasn't already. Beware, though, as he already has two new domains from which he's selling under a different name and address. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. Sold small grape-sized pods as "XL"s at 3x the usual price. Thieving bastard. I used to buy from RQ too but things took a turn for the worst towards the end of her career. She had amazing stock. So it goes...

Dude it was SO hard to mow my garden down! I droppped the deck, put the tractor in 2nd gear, literally closed my eyes, and dumped the clutch. I HAD to. I won't even bother telling you how things were coming along. All I'll say is that it was the BEST damn garden I've ever grown. This taper/kick it so very very important and I just can't mess around any more. It's time and that's all there is to it. But damn it sucked.

Hemp! Glad you got that splinter outta your butt! Chop some beet greens real fine, mix with olive oil (or any cooking oil) to make a paste, plaster the wound, and cover it tonight before bed. It will draw out any pus, dirt, and remaining pieces of splinter. Try it- it works amazingly well.

I feel a little better about these fat feet knowing that it is common to opiate use. Never happened before, though, until I got these shitty pods. I worried about pesticides but the poppy, luckily, is naturally pest-resistant so I can't see any need for persicides in any case. It doesn't matter- I'm SO done with this shit. It's just not at all worth it any more. I lived for many years without them so I'll live without them for many more. I hope! If they get worse I'll get some OTC water pills and a potassium suppplement and pee them back down to size. In the mean time I'll avoid salt and elevate them as much as possible.

Took my last dose of 10.5g a couple hours ago. Another drop tomorrow down to 7.5. I felt like hell this morning and this mornings dose fixed me. I felt fine today- a little bloated- but otherwise okay. Tonights dose didn't seem to matter one way or the other. Down to 7.5 tomorrow. I have a feeling I'm gonna be feeling it from here on out as this morning was rough. I might start pre-loading with Lope starting tomorrow night or the next. I'm gonna play it by ear and see how I feel in the mornings and take it from there.

Hope you good people are hanging in there tonight and doing okay. Stay the course and this stuff will be a memory before too long. Thank you ALL for your support and knowledge. I don't think I could do this without you.

Thanks.
 
Ham I do want to say this about kratom. It DID help me a TON when I got down to those lower doses I'm not gonna deny it. I remember there was a point I got to 6gms and never stabilized. Like you know how you drop then wait, and over a few days eventually you adjust? Well when I got down to 6gms I never really adjusted. I consider it the dose that my body basically said "fuck it I'm giving this bastard wds".
And I honestly couldn't drop anymore at that point with pods alone. I was waiting and waiting to adjust, but it was happening so slow. That was when I remembered I had a crapload of kratom, and wound up dosing the kratom at the same time I took my pod dose. And I can't tell you how EASY it was to finish the taper. Kratom is the real reason I was ready to jump off so fast.
But it seems once I got off the pods completely, I started suffering horrendous sides from the kratom, stopped the kratom, and soon eventually caved in back to the pods. I'm not sure why I'm even recommending it lol, but it DID make it easy as shit once I got low. I was rather suprised actually. I think the problem is (I've never experienced actual kratom wds) that kratom as weak as it is, actually had some pretty nasty withdrawals. I was attributing them to the pods, but I still think it was the kratom.
At any rate, I don't think I mentioned that I never tapered the kratom. I was only on it for a week and didn't have enough to do a proper taper, so I wound up taking like 15-20gms a day everyday for that week. And when I look back now it was only a couple days after stopping that I "broke". I really think its simply because I never tapered the kratom and just stopped.

Thats the only reason I'm saying, if it DOES get hard for you the lower you get, I really would at least like you to know it DID help me a lot. Just that I wasn't really experienced with it enough to not fuck myself up.
And I CAN NOT believe you did a chargeback!!! I was so close to doing it myself but I had no idea he had other sites going on.. actually I knew about 1 alternate but hes had that for a while now. If he's making new ones in the recent months, then hes definitely turned scammer for good I think.

And he did the SAME SHIT OMG! Selling the littlest fucking bullshit pods, some smaller than smalls and some actual smalls, all listing as "extra large". The extra larges I bought from him back in the day were never true extra larges, but they were still at least 4 times the size of the crap that came in my box that day.
For example.
$65 would get me about 450gms 4-5 months ago from him.
The last order I made like a month ago, I spend **$80** and got 200gms even. I can barely get high off of 50gms alone, so it wasn't even 4 doses worth. The only reason I guess I didn't chargeback is mainly because I was tapering at that point and ultimately just fed up with everything.
But it was also interesting to go to my other oldtime seller (paula) after that, someone who use to sell quality pods back in the day, and get knocked right into wds realizing her pods were some of the weakest I ever got in my life.
The poppy business is just far too out of control right now. I truely DO wonder how many people have parted ways with poppies and endured living hell just like we are. There has to really be a lot of people who stopped using them this summer.
 
I am sorry to hear your purchasing experiences, even at the end, I thought that guy was fair. I ordered a number of XL's, during a brief restock which came somewhat smaller than usual but he included a lot of extra's as compensation. They were good too, no abnormal swelling at all. I thought maybe he just got overwhelmed by the huge demand. although, they came from a different address.

Another rough day here... I feel like the jump I made when I started on the measured doses was a bit larger than I thought. Oh well, I am not afraid of it anymore, it just really fvcking sucks, but it will not kill or make me give up. I think the worst of it may soon be over.

On the bright side, I happened upon some phenobarbital tabs from a while back during a WD motivated cleaning fit. I always found that they knock me out into a peaceful sleep. Also, thinking about the weeks to come, I just ordered a bunch of supplements (legal drugs) to help with the adjustment. For sleep, I got some kava, melatonin (both of which I know work), in addition, I got some phenibut and kratom, neither of which I have tried. I also got some L-dopa to beat of lethargy. All except the kratom could be had with free amazon prime shipping so the total price is a fraction of the cost of the pod habit.

Best to everyone. Keep in touch
 
Hell yes I did a chargeback! I paid for one thing, got something rediculously inferior (100 "XL" yielded .... get this.... 97 grams! you don't even want to know what I paid...). I attempted to resolve it with him and was ignored. It's on him at that point. He could have made things right at any time. It's not so much the money as the principle... I was a good customer for a long time and he just plain ripped me off. But enough pod talk- those days are over!

Kratom... I've got some Bali and some Super Indo but I just can't stand it any more. It just makes me feel sooooo creepy. I think it messes with my blood sugar causing drops and peaks. In any case I'll do about anything to never use it again. I've played with dosages, srtains, even different vendors, and for me there is no sweet spot. It can, however, stop WD in its tracks. No doubt about that.

Like Podster I've got the Melatonin, Kava, Passiflora Incarnata, and I forgot all about it but a few months ago I got a sample (20 or 25 caps can't remember) of an herbal opiate detox formula. The one made stateside not overseas. I read a couple reviews that said it works well and anything else I've ever purchased from the manufacturer has been outstanding quality so who knows? The ingrediant list is impressive for sure. I guess the sample is enough for a couple days so maybe I'll give them a shot. Hell I don't know- I'll just wing it once I jump off or get real low. Depends on how I feel I guess. I've also got some Valiums but I don't know if I'll need them.

You don't want to hear this, Bo, but when I'm in WD I sleep a lot. It's always been that way for me. Once I'm rattling I just conk out and I'm gone.

Oh yeah one more thing Bo- I know you're running low on pods. Any stems or knobs left over? They will hold ya and maybe help with sleep. Just an idea in case you overlooked them. Yeah! Like an addict is gonna overlook some goods, huh? Hey- It could happen!

You guys and gals hang in there and stay the course. We'll get there.
 
Oh man you're making me regret not doing a chargeback now. And I have a good idea how much you spent on 100xl just the fact you got 97gms is a complete joke. You could pretty easily go through that in just 1 day. What pissed me off the most was just like you said I was a long term loyal customer. I actually would email them often "thanks a lot, package came" just out of respect. I always KNEW however they were for the most part douchebags from back on their ebay days.
There was a point where their feedback fell low, and people were essentially cursing in the reviews at them. They'd respond "we shipped 50xxl exactly what customer ordered.. impossible to please, get a life" and I knew at that point they weren't ever really on top of their game because it was happening so often.
But for about 2 years I never had any real serious issues off ebay untill that day recently. I just don't like being had and like you said its all about the principal not the money.

I can't believe you actually sleep during wds that blows my mind. I think my insomnia has always been aggravted by my past speed use about 9 years ago. Speed is #1 for slaughtering sleep in its path, and it really fucks with your adrenal glands overtime. I really do think my glands just overrespond to the adrenaline that opiate wds produce. Its the only think that makes sense to me.

A thing about all these herbs, do you people buy them at a regular vitamin shop or an online herb supplier? There was several times I went to either GNC or Vitamin Shoppe to pick up passion flower pills and kava kava and I noticed they didn't do much of anything at all. Then when I went online and found a good kratom vendor (that also sold those same herbs) that was when I first really began feeling the herbs and gaining respect for them.
Passion flower in its pure leaf state is absurdly strong for sleep. I regret not having it on hand when the insomnia started. But it felt so much like taking a valium I was amazed. Knocked me right the eff out. Still anytime I try to get an herb from a walkin store they always seem like complete junk.
Do you guys order most of your herbs online or from an actual store? And do their brands actually work for you? One thing I noticed like with phenibut is in the store they come solid in a white pill, when I bought them online they're an orange liquid capsule, so I'm skeptic about buying them from a store as the orange capsules were potent. I just never seem to have luck at stores.

Whatever the case I still gotta figure out where most my moneys going towards. Theres so many different sleep herbs/meds to choose from and I just want a combination that is guaranteed to put me to sleep w/out too many side effects. Soon enough I'll know either way I guess.

ps. no stems or knobs I've always just grinded up everything thats in the box at once.
 
I know who you're talking about re: pod ripoffs but I got burned by someone else. Apparantly a bunch of them went the greedy route rather than the honorable route when the shortage occurred. Meh...

I buy my own herbs and extracts and cap them myself. Or make tea, smoke them, whatever the case may be. The stuff from the stores aren't worth much. Passionflower is amazing for sure. I use passionflower 15x extract, capped, and it is excellent. 1 or 2 for anxiety, 3 or 4 and I'm knocked out cold for about 8 hours. I also use a 30% Kava full-spectrum extract that is very good. I bought a little capping rig and tamper and I can really pack a 00 capsule. Save a lot of money and the quality supasses anything found on the shelf. I buy from a couple small vendors and one not so small botanical vendor and they really focus on high-quality, good prices, and excellent customer service.

As far as side effects I've kind of settled on the passionflower for me. I've had no side effects whatsoever. Kava, on the other hand, causes me some crazy dreams sometimes as well as a bloated belly.

Hope you get some sleep tonight. I'm gonna try to catch some myself.

Good night all.
 
HamClamp said:
Hemp! Glad you got that splinter outta your butt! Chop some beet greens real fine, mix with olive oil (or any cooking oil) to make a paste, plaster the wound, and cover it tonight before bed. It will draw out any pus, dirt, and remaining pieces of splinter. Try it- it works amazingly well.
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Uh Ham...it was my thigh not my butt :) I wound up doing the beets today so the greens are in the compost pile already. Besides, how the heck would I keep chopped greens mixed with olive oil on my thigh while I sleep? I'm a side sleeper. It is kinda weird that you mentioned the home remedy yesterday before I even knew I had a splinter! I got it from the deck rail which I suppose I should not sit on. Doctor called in some Augmentin for me. It itches more than anything but the sliver was at least an inch long and pretty thick too. Really more a chunk of wood!

I do thank you for your concern though. My butt has not started to sag yet. Four inches below is still thigh on me :p
 
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Ha ha! ^ I should have known better than to think that one would have slid by... But for future reference you would use a gauze pad, well-taped, to cover the poultice. A slice of raw beet will also work. Regardless, though, I'm glad you're on the mend!

Today is day-seven. Wow- I felt like shit when I got up. I slept through the night somewhat fitfully. Crazy dreams ugh. Sore stiff back and legs, chilled, clammy, sneezing over and over again. Yippee withdrawals have arrived! I dropped down to 7.5g today. It's been a half hour and I'm getting some slight relief now. Wow- the older I get and the more times I go through this the harder it hits me. The other day I was thinking I was ready to skip some drops. Not now! No thank you. I'll just follow the schedule thank you very much! I felt like shit this morning. Feeling much better now thank goodness.

Not much else to say. I just got up and I'm feeling pretty pathetic so I'm just gonna sit here and focus on gettng my shit together and get my ass off to work.

Hang in there taperers and kickers!
 
Yeh I feel pretty shitty myself tbo.
I'm curious to see once your sleep goes how well your cocktails work for you. I only got 4 hours last night and I got a ton of shit to do today, really just aggravates shit. Not to mention for some reason I took 12mg of loperamide last night and woke up with terrible runs. I'm actually thinking somethings wrong with the lope I'm taking.
Which would explain why last time I took this same brand it didn't do a single thing for wds. But weeks ago lope seemed to hold me over 100% as doses less than 12mg, so somethings definitely up. I may have to switch brands just to see, but to have runs at 12mg of lope makes absolutely no sense, that should more than block me up.

I'm watching this thread real close just to see how you go about your lower doses. You're basically getting to that point right now. I hate the hot flashes, chills, sneezing a thousand times, but got over most of that stuff weeks ago. I'm honestly extremely happy to not have to deal with that crap anymore. To deal with hot flashes, chills AND insomnia and RLS at once is for the cold turkeyers. It seems when you're under 5-10gms for only a week all that stuff dissappears. But than the trickier stuff definitely starts popping up.

I got 4gms to dose today but I'm trying to save it for later in the day. I think it I can hold off till tonight at least I'll have some in my blood and maybe my sleep won't drop under 4 hours till tommorow. Whatever the case ham try and get through work buddy, I know its hard but hopefully you're job isn't as stressful as others. I just can't stand dealing with people at all when I'm in wds, so hopefully your job doesn't require interacting with a thousand people a day. Alright I'll be back later to drop in. Have a good day!
 
HamClamp said:
I just want to be done with this shit. i am SO sick of scheduling my freaking life around a freaking dose AAAARRRGGGHHHHH!
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That's how things have been for around 1.5 years for me now.

You can't describe to someone what it's like to have to live like that, but it does get very frustrating. I can' tell you how many hours I've spent thinking about plans or schedules or worrying about how many hours it's been since X dose or how many hours until I start feeling sick, etc.
 
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Ham have you figured out what made you go back the times you did? Do you think this will be it now? I hope it is for you.
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I have given this a great amount of thought. My past tapers were more along the lines of wanting to lower my tolerance or to keep it in check. I also entertained the ridiculous notion that I could indulge every now and then rather than daily. I had to cut through my denial, face reality, and accept that this problem was not going to resolve itself, I value my health and therefore need to stop, and the reason(s) I fell back into using is no longer an issue in my life as I've moved past it and remedied what ailed me, and I have now faced the fact that I can't be a part-timer when it comes to opiates. It's all or nothing and nothing is the only logical choice.

I'm doing this for no one but myself. I want this. I miss the "good ol' days" and dammit I'm gonna do whatever I have to to get back into that good space once again.

Thanks for bringing this up Hemp- probably one of the most important questions that we all need to answer within ourselves. Thanks!
 
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Ham, I am glad to see you are still hanging in there!! I hate that the withdrawals are getting to you, but glad you are holding strong. You are such an inspiration to me and I am sure to many others who are going or will be going through this very thing!

So, you are at 7.5 today? I think the latter part of this week I am going to go down to 7.5 as well, which from where I am at today isn't a big jump, but I am taking this thing slow and easy and day by day.

It sounds like I am like you, when it comes to opiates. This is my first time really battling an actual addiction and withdrawal from them, but I have discovered its all or nothing for me as well. I am learning (the hard way, unfortunately, but whats done is done) that I can't just have some fun with them occasionally.

Hope tonight is going a bit better for you than this morning did. :)
 
Hey Ham,

I hope you are doing well. Today was good for me, felt pretty normal after a good night of sleep. I weighed it out in the lab today, and I am under 5 grams per day! The rest of the taper will be slow and easy (hopefully) in comparison. The weekend was absolutely terrible, but things look better now.

I ordered some passion flower extract based on your endorsement, I hope it is a decent brand.

mlk, i feel the same way about opiates. If I have learned one thing from all of this nonsense, it is that all or nothing for me as well. It is not something that I can use occasionally and forget...I can't be trusted. I worry about the fact that I will now want it, always.

Best to all.
 
Podster, you're under 5gms a day? Have you been slammed with insomnia/rls yet?

What general symptoms are you facing right now? Have the hotflashes/chills/pain stopped yet? I'm definitely noticing I withdraw different from a lot of people on here.

Once I got to around where you are, all the hot flashes/chills and pain stopped completely, and was replaced with the most severe insomnia and RLS in the world. I love seeing that so many people are actually around the same dose. Hams around 7.5 (but I think thats still 15gms a day total) you're at 5gms, and I was at 4gms today before jumping over to .25mg sub. But I'm most curious how your sleep is going. How many hours are you avging a night now?

If you tell me 8 I'm jumping out my window btw. =]
 
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Hey Carl. How've you been? So where are you at with the taper/school thing now?
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School I've kind of fucked myself in. It's been immensely disappointing. I can't even tell you why I did bad. I just don't have the motivation and drugs don't give it to me. I used to be productive on opiates, but now I'm just content if I'm living through the day.

Unfortunately this type of thinking doesn't allow you to actually progress forward in any way. Even if I have things to do I barely have any motivation to get out of bed every morning and I wait until the last minute to get up. I just feel like there's nothing that I want to get out of bed for and the only reason I do is so I don't lose my job. :\


Last sub dose will be Monday morning then I'm going to detox, cold turkey. So I'm going to try to taper as low as I can before then to make it less painful.


I've seen some of your posts on here. How's everything going with your morphine taper?
 
mlk_2900 said:
So, you are at 7.5 today? I think the latter part of this week I am going to go down to 7.5 as well, which from where I am at today isn't a big jump, but I am taking this thing slow and easy and day by day.
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Yep I'm at 7.5 and it's kicking my ass! Actually, all in all, I'm doing okay. Had to start on the loperamide last night, though, as my guts are churning. I'm hanging tough.

Slow and easy is the way to go! This isn't a race. Like the turle and the hare: Slow and steady wins the race.


mlk_2900 said:
It sounds like I am like you, when it comes to opiates. This is my first time really battling an actual addiction and withdrawal from them, but I have discovered its all or nothing for me as well. I am learning (the hard way, unfortunately, but whats done is done) that I can't just have some fun with them occasionally.
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Yep. Once addiction takes hold the days of moderation, weekends only, etc., tend to come to an end.

You're doing GREAT!
 
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